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Coverup and Misinformation In Mining Explosion Tragedy?

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posted on Jan, 4 2006 @ 08:33 AM
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ALERT! POSSIBLE COVERUP INVOLVED IN THE COAL MINING ACCIDENT SCENARIO! BE AWARE OF WHAT IS SAID IN THESE EARLY TIMES OF MEDIA COVERAGE AS THE EARLY COVERAGE IS CRITICAL IN FINDING INCONSISTENCIES.

Families reported that all alive.
Correspondence from govenor's office confirms to families that all survived (gvnr denied of foxnews of course).

Then one is dead / 12 alive?

Then one alive / 12 dead.

No flesh wounds of carbon dioxide found in survivor.

Correct so far?
Cause of deaths released?
Why is the survivor hurt? How?

I must be getting cynical because i suspect that the survivor will never get the chance to tell what happened.

What is cause of explosion?

Why did med workers confirm 12 survivors in "good health"?

Put on your X-Ray glasses and lets see what lies under the surface of this whole thing!




posted on Jan, 4 2006 @ 08:44 AM
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I heard all the joy, the church bells, I thought it was a miracle- the first in 2006.

What a horrible hand those relatives were dealt after all the joy...I couldnt beleive it when i tuned in this morning and heard they were dead except for one. AND they claim the survivor wasnt overcome by MO? No broken bones- Just seriously ill.

I dont think reporters like Rita Cosby do their reporting with evil in mind. Rita was so overjoyed, as all of them were, it just snowballed from there.

Here is my question today: Why let them be under this false impression for 3 hours?


Miscommunication my foot. This needs to be explained. PRONTO.

[edit on 4-1-2006 by dgtempe]



posted on Jan, 4 2006 @ 09:32 AM
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That was definately messed up. As I said in another thread, some lawsuits are definately in order over the 208(i think thats the number) safety violations that mine had. Its ridiculous, the safety of these men were put at jeopardy for what? MSHA has safety regulations for a reason, and the owner of this mine didnt seem to care about all of the violations that were already placed upon his mine. This pisses me off.



posted on Jan, 4 2006 @ 09:54 AM
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Originally posted by ludaChris
That was definately messed up. As I said in another thread, some lawsuits are definately in order over the 208(i think thats the number) safety violations that mine had. Its ridiculous, the safety of these men were put at jeopardy for what? MSHA has safety regulations for a reason, and the owner of this mine didnt seem to care about all of the violations that were already placed upon his mine. This pisses me off.


Why didn't MSHA order the mine closed if it had so many safety violations? Could it be that some of the violations were trivial and had nothing to do with the safety of the workers in the mine? All I kept hearing CNN say was the number of violations that the mine had, nothing was said about what the violations were. I have never delt with MSHA but I have delt with OSHA and if MSHA is anything like OSHA the majority of these violations were probably crap. Some of the OSHA violations I have seen include having the wrong color stripes marking the lift area of a hoist, not having a warning sign on the door leading from our break room reminding you that no open containers for drinks are allowed on the shop floor and other trivial items. Don't get me wrong I have also seen OSHA point out some serious items such as lifting slings being out of certification and other hazards. The point that I am trying to make is that if this mine was truly dangerous then MSHA sould bear some of the blame for allowing it to be in operation.

One thing that needs to be addressed as well is the media's involvement in spreading information that was inaccurate. The media is going to fry the operators of this company because the media was made to look like fools. Instead of asking why they didn't confirm their information they are going to point out every little thing that this company might have done wrong and use it to crucify them.



posted on Jan, 4 2006 @ 10:14 AM
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You may be on to something. And the place to start is with a man named Jack Spadaro.



(CBS) - April 4, 2004
Who is Jack Spadaro? He's a man who's devoted his life to the safety of miners and the safety of people who live near mines.

He's an engineer, who until recently was head of the National Mine Health and Safety Academy (MSHA), a branch of the Department of Labor, which trains mining inspectors.

But he lost that job last year, after he blew the whistle on what he called a whitewash by the Bush administration of an investigation into a major environmental disaster. Correspondent Bob Simon reports.

”I had never seen anything so corrupt and lawless in my entire career as what I saw regarding interference with a federal investigation of the most serious environmental disaster in the history of the Eastern United States,” says Spadaro.


And then follow the name Dave Lauriski:


(CBS) - April 4, 2004
The new head of MSHA, a Bush appointee named Dave Lauriski, was a former mining industry mining executive, and so were his top deputies.


A Toxic Coverup?


Officials from the mining industry have assumed MSHA's top ranks and are now responsible for enforcing mandatory federal regulations and, ultimately, ensuring that coal miners are protected. These officials, who once operated coal mines, now run the regulatory agency. Appointed to both political and career positions, they now appear to use their influence to advance industry interests and help former associates.

Utah native Dave Lauriski held various management positions in Energy West Mining before his appointment as Assistant Secretary of Labor for Mine Safety and Health.

Other Bush Administration appointees, who wield control over safety and health policies, also came from industry:

Deputy Assistant Secretary of Labor for MSHA John Caylor held management jobs with Cyprus Minerals Co., Amax Mining Co. and Magma Copper Co.

Deputy Assistant Secretary of Labor for MSHA John Correll served in management posts at Amax Mining and Peabody Coal companies.

Special Assistant for MSHA Mark Ellis served as legal counsel to the American Mining Congress.

Chief of Health for Coal Melinda Pon was a management official at BHP Minerals-Utah International.


What's Going On at MSHA?


But then again, he quit in November of 2004, and we all know mining disasters happen overnight. So, who's looking out for the miners now? (drumroll) ...

David G. Dye


Previously, he worked in separate assignments as chief counsel to the House Resources Committee, the House Agriculture Committee, and the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee. Before that, Dye served as counsel to the Senate Commerce, Science and Transportation Committee. Later, he worked as director of external affairs for the U.S. Department of Transportation's Maritime Administration and as counsel to the chairman of the Federal Maritime Commission.

Before coming to Washington, Dye served as the professional staff to two committees of the Alaska Senate-as special assistant to Alaska's lieutenant governor and as a regional and urban planner with the Alaska Department of Community and Regional Affairs.

Dye received his bachelor of arts degree from the University of Texas at Austin in 1970. He graduated from the Franklin Pierce Law Center in Concord, N.H., in 1979.


MSHA News Release 11/19/2004

Oh, I can see why he's qualified to head up MSHA.... He's a lawyer, he worked for Ted Stevens AND he went to the University of Texas. That's enough for me. Maybe he'll get to head up FEMA next!



posted on Jan, 4 2006 @ 12:34 PM
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The media jumps the gun AGAIN and you are surprised? The media is constantly jumping on and reporting stories before they know what the hell is going on.



posted on Jan, 4 2006 @ 01:27 PM
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did i read that right....bush came up in this situation too???? a bush here, a bush there, bush is everywhere......

but don't worry..after the next election everthing will be ok...

heavy heavy heavy sarcasim intended



posted on Jan, 4 2006 @ 01:50 PM
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Having just read a news story on the CBS website, it left me with such a warm glowing feeling !


A Swat team was standing by near the church where the families had gathered in case violence erupted.

I wonder if they had been there the whole time of this incident or called in at the last minute?
I guess they should have been informed before the families!!!!
Plenty of questions and answers we will probably never know. After all, would violence have erupted if they had been found safe???

Just my thoughts.



posted on Jan, 4 2006 @ 03:39 PM
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Keep in mind that these 'news' organizations are reporting off on another too. As much as its the fault of the company for not making a clear statement, these news agencies obviously were just reporting what they were seeing on other channels.



posted on Jan, 4 2006 @ 03:45 PM
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notice how the media is set up to take alot of the heat for this...they jumped the gun, and ran the story before the followed it up...


this is my understanding of it, correct me if I am wrong. I've been working all day, and well, really haven't had much time to catch up with the news.

this is what i know....

I always get up around 1-2 in the morning, and well, get to chat with my husband and listen to coast to coast for a little while before going back to bed. One of the first things I heard when the radio was turnen on, I believe...half asleep what can I say, was that 12 of the miners were found alive and we taken to a hospital for a checkup.

well, then, about fifteen minutes later, I heard that the report was in error, and well, only one was found alive...what a big disappointment!!

well, by what I have heard today, the families were informed of the 12 surviving miners from the mine, and from the governor.....before the media knew, I think....the media caught on when they say the family members happily hugging each other and the church bells were going off and some of the family members told them....and they ran with the story, and told me.....

well, I can deal with my disappointment, these people were really pretty much strangers to me, I was just hoping and praying they were allright..

what I want to know is who was it that misinformed that families, and why didn't they follow up their facts?If it was a big disappointment to me, well, it must have been a very horrible experience for them , would have been even if it was handled correctly, obviously it wasn't.....their heart was torn deeper by the error....

who cares about the big mistake the media made?

I agree with the basic message of this post, keep an ear out, and start digging for just what is going on, since the mainstream media will more than likely be playing the second basically non-story, of just how could this terrible mistake have happened. typical diversion tactic that our government has gotten quite good at.



posted on Jan, 4 2006 @ 03:58 PM
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I literally watched the govenor deny knowing about any notification to the families. After it was confirmed by reporters that the govenor did notify, by several of the journalists. The govenor denied knowing that notification was sent, denied any knowledge of ANY circumstances regarding the notification that was made in his name.
He did this in two different interviews this morning on Fox and Friends.
He skillfully used misdirection when he was questioned.
It was that learned, artful, textbook "polititian denial speech".

I knew then that a coverup was being orchestrated.

The peices of the puzzle will grow in time.

[edit on 1/4/2006 by theBLESSINGofVISION]



posted on Jan, 4 2006 @ 04:11 PM
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As far as television news is concerned hows it there fault, Most of said statements werent made by the reporters, but by family friends ect, who got the info from who knows...
As far as papers are concerned, They ran the story that night whatever was printed went out, they cant change that, I do know from reading some things that several places assumed some things and reported on them and thats wrong obviousely (and those places should no longer be considered reliable), but the media in general didnt do anything to harm the families, as the families got the info long before the media caught wind of it...... Its not as if the media found out first then the famalies found out that way, though im sure a few did find out that way..

The only people who are responsible for this are

1. The person who told the famalies this rumor
and
2. The Mine Officials and local Officials who let said rummor circulate for 3 hours knowing full well the truth.



posted on Jan, 5 2006 @ 03:18 AM
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Originally posted by ludaChris
As I said in another thread, some lawsuits are definately in order over the 208(i think thats the number) safety violations that mine had. Its ridiculous, the safety of these men were put at jeopardy for what? MSHA has safety regulations for a reason, and the owner of this mine didnt seem to care about all of the violations that were already placed upon his mine. This pisses me off.

The mine recently went through a change in ownership in March, 2005. Most, if not all, of the safety violations were inherited by the new owners.

The mine could have been closed by the Labor Department if it were deemed unsafe. WHich it obviously was.



posted on Jan, 5 2006 @ 04:05 AM
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Regulatory agencies, almost all of them, have been completely compromised over the course of a dozen or more years. They've been infiltrated by industry insiders and influence tradesmen.

The violations were major, including failure to conduct pre-shift safety inspections to check air quality, as well as inadequate ventilation. Inadequate ventilation?! Are they insane?

This is a deep mine we're talking about, not a pothole. This is serious business, as anyone in the industry can tell you. If you don't ventilate the mine, gases like CO and Methane build up, and freakin' explode. People die.

I remember when this exact same scenario played out in China, lots of people looked down their noses and said "that's the Chinese government of you, corrupt and unconcerned with the lives of the people." Well look in a mirror now. This is what happens when the people tasked to protect us, indeed PAID to protect us, sell us out to the interests of well-heeled pigs. And shame on every American grubbing in the money pit along with those pigs, digging for dollars.

Close any mine that doesn't protect its workers in every way possible. I can't state it any simpler. Inadequate ventilation? C'mon..that's like Russian roulette working in a deep mine.

And while we're at it, fix or disband all these useless sellout regulatory agencies who are literally selling our health in exchange for influence. It's sick, and sad, and the longer it goes on the more hopeless the situation becomes.

I'm biased though, because I sell "Fumigate the EPA" bumper stickers.


(not really)



posted on Jan, 5 2006 @ 05:43 AM
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In this case, the media is not at fault. Maybe a little by not veryfying the story- but nobody could seem to verify anything.

That person who called those in the church should be lynched. Thats how it all started.

I dont necessarily think there is anything they are hiding. My only question here is why they let the families go on beleiving for an additional 3 hours that their loved ones were alive. That is the question.

I love conspiracies, but i think this one was just a freak, and i dont even find Fox news culpable. NOW, thats something for me.


The whole thing is a tragedy and i pray for all of them. Mining in this day and age should be done by competent robots (not like the mickey mouse one they sent in)- I would think we already have the technology.



posted on Jan, 5 2006 @ 05:53 AM
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Robots don't need jobs, people do. Hell, if they opened the mine in my town me and about five of my neighbors would be down there before you know it, strappin' on hats before the deal was even done.

West Virginia needs those jobs, badly. Towns like mine need those jobs, badly. Without work, we can't eat, we can't support families, we can't live.

I love the idea of mechanization, but it has to be undertaken in the context of a society that supports its citizens with basic necessities from birth to death. America isn't ready for total mechanization of menial labor. Without things like universal healthcare, ultra-low-cost housing, and state-sponsored 24/7 food banks, mechanization would literally cripple this country.

It really sucks that we're being held back from progressing to that stage, but I don't think the reality of our situation in this country would allow for such a bold leap.

It's dirty and dangerous, but men gotta work. You know it's bad when we're willing to work in unsafe conditions, just glad to be working at all...



[edit on 5-1-2006 by WyrdeOne]



posted on Jan, 5 2006 @ 06:13 AM
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Originally posted by jsobecky
The mine recently went through a change in ownership in March, 2005. Most, if not all, of the safety violations were inherited by the new owners.


Perhaps a closer look at who the "new" owners are could yield some kind of helpful information, seeing as there is now a possible conspiracy surrounding this. Something is very obviously wrong with this picture, no doubt!





[edit on 5-1-2006 by ImJaded]



posted on Jan, 5 2006 @ 06:53 AM
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Originally posted by dgtempe
In this case, the media is not at fault. Maybe a little by not veryfying the story- but nobody could seem to verify anything.

That person who called those in the church should be lynched. Thats how it all started.

dg
The media is at fault insofar as they are the conduit by which the rest of the nation, and the world, gets their news. At a live site like this, stories fly around live leaves in the wind, and 90% of them are nothing but rumors.

The media should have said "We have an unverified report that..." or else held back reporting at all. But CNN and all the rest said "They're alive!" without official verification. That's breaking a basic rule of journalism. And the rest of the world went to bed with a smile at the miracle, and woke up to the nightmare. All because the media didn't do their job correctly.


I dont necessarily think there is anything they are hiding. My only question here is why they let the families go on beleiving for an additional 3 hours that their loved ones were alive. That is the question.

I agree - what in the world would they "cover up"? And your question about waiting 3 hours is a good one.


I love conspiracies, but i think this one was just a freak, and i dont even find Fox news culpable. NOW, thats something for me.

Has that toothache you had spread to a fever for you?



Mining in this day and age should be done by competent robots (not like the mickey mouse one they sent in)- I would think we already have the technology.

The gas-detection technology is there - it's called a canary in a cage.
But seriously, you're right - those types of jobs should be mechanized, and already are in some mining ventures. Safety should come first.



posted on Jan, 5 2006 @ 07:26 AM
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I for one think there is some kind of cover up going on here. These waiting families had been getting regular updates on what was going on, regularly, up until 9:00 or 10:00 PM Tuesday night. I want to know why it stopped. What was going on with the rescue workers and mining officials from then until 2:30 AM Wednesday morning? The mine owner knew within 15 or 20 minutes of the families hearing the news " that there were 12 survivors", that it was not true. What was he so busy doing that he could not notify these families that the prior information received was miscommunicated or may have been misleading? I don't think the governor was being completely honest with what he knew to be true either. The mine owner also made a comment at the end of his first statement for the press, "welcome to the worst day of my life". Why did he make such a statement? If it was because he felt so much heart-ache for the families, he would have gotten his apology back to them a lot sooner. He said he didn't say anything further because he wanted to be certain of his facts before making a statement since that was what he and the others had agreed upon. I want to know, he and what "others" agreed upon? What "others" is he referring to? He was sure within twenty minutes that his facts, and the facts of others, were mistaken, miscommunicated, and/or misleading. He should have told the families that if nothing else! I think he, as well as others, were just too busy covering up what really went on in that mine. He was only thinking of himself and what he needed to cover up. Of course, that is just my opinion.



posted on Jan, 5 2006 @ 07:35 AM
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Originally posted by C0le
As far as television news is concerned hows it there fault, Most of said statements werent made by the reporters, but by family friends ect, who got the info from who knows...

And it got onto the airwaves how??


As far as papers are concerned, They ran the story that night whatever was printed went out, they cant change that,

So they just printed what they thought was right, and since it's cast in ink, it can't be changed? Too bad, so sad?

Well then they shouldn't have printed it. Or, do like newspapers used to do, run a special edition at midday if there are significant developments.

but the media in general didnt do anything to harm the families, as the families got the info long before the media caught wind of it...... Its not as if the media found out first then the famalies found out that way, though im sure a few did find out that way..

The media put it on the airwaves so that people the world over could see what was happening. Miining foremen are allowed to make journalistic mistakes. So are local officials. MSM journalists ar not supposed to make these mistakes.

On the one hand, I'm surprised that so many don't feel the MSM is culpable for reporting unverified rumors. On the other hand, it's very encouraging to see those same people defend Fox News so vigorously.







 
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