I found that site, and it is a big hoax just ask intelgurl who works at Raytheon, the company on the first page of the Stavatti site.

That Russain one looks a little bigger than it needs to be. The F-22, with its smaller size and vectored thrust, could easily out manuever Su-37A.

[Edited on 5-1-04 by xenophanes85]

Originally posted by roniii259
I found that site, and it is a big hoax just ask intelgurl who works at Raytheon, the company on the first page of the Stavatti site.

whoever fell for that is an idiot, look on their aircraft, i would be surpriced if they pulled up 3 gs

i thought you pressumed it was hoax(non existant) as the link in lampreyride's post was not working.

That site now i know has hoax information

Ok first of all......
Lets clear up some mis-information.
Su-37 has 3d Thrust vector control allowing for the nozzels to turn up to 15 degrees.
F-22 has 2d Thrust Vector control flaps that can deflect the airflow, I don't know the angle.
The reason why you won't see U.S. aircraft with 3d TVC is because they haven't managed to make a seal to connect the engien to the turning nozzel that can take afterburning thrust and temperatures, Russia obviously has.
Also as hydrolic control of the Su-37s TVC is a back up to set it back to strait, yes the F-22 has a better computer but that only means it does the same things a bit faster(miliseconds if that), software is what matters more here. Finnally the Su-37 has canards which mean another edge in manuverability, by the end I think it's pretty clear that the Su-37 takes the cake for manuverability by a long shot. However in long range combat(which happens first) the F-22s stealth, radar and cruising speed should prove useful taking the Su-37 down at range. The final word goes to the Su-37 though because you can buy nearly three of them for the price of one F-22. Why? because it was developped under a proper capitalist system where the company invests in its own product!(sales to India and China helped fund this project) The F-22 on the other hand has been an R&D expence of the goverment for years, no there's capitalism for you.

Since the Su-47 isn't in production why does everyone seem to think that it costs a third of a Raptor. Until Russia place an order (probably never) we won't know how much it costs. Remember the Su-47 is at least 4 or 5 years away from service.

Well I for one was talking about the Su-37 "Super-Flanker" which has cost estimates around 40 million where some cost estimates put the F-22 at 120 million. As for the Su-47 "Golden eagle" I agree that putting an estimated price tag is a bit premature, but it's not a totally silly assumtion to think that it will be way cheaper then the F-22.

I think that you have problems with identifying that aircraft, so shortly:

S-32 was proposed as a soviet Grumman X-29 derivate."S" in the name means, that it was pure experimental plane with no concrete purpose. Drawing and description {but only in slovak language} you can find at:

www.hitechweb.szm.sk/fightersSF03.htm

S-37 - this designation was originaly awarded for single seat, sigle engine light fighter. After its cancelation the fighting derivate of S-32 - Suchoj Berkut became S-37. But many people changed it with Su-37 Flanker, so Berkut get the new designation Su-47.

S-37 link: www.hitechweb.szm.sk/berkut.htm
Su-37 link: www.hitechweb.szm.sk/fightersSF01.htm

Su-47 Berkut is not a production machine. It is a demonstrator for future medium weight multirole fighter PAK-FA.

PAK-FA link: www.hitechweb.szm.sk/fightersSF03.htm

Sorry but I must improve my english.

The raptor has more than just stealth it has advanced radar detection more advanced weaponry and super cruse, it would shoot the su-37 down without even knowing the f22 was there!

F-22 is better, don't really have a reason but i think it si!

if u gave both aircraft the same weapons then THAT would be a good fight
thats the only way to see whos better

by the way see in that su-35 vid was that a cobra manoveur i seen?

[Edited on 27-5-2004 by devilwasp]