Originally posted by grimreaper797
before you say im wrong though, put yourself in their shoes. as an american its easy to say not everyone should have nukes because...we have
Don't be so sure that I haven't considered it from their point of view. We've all been in positions of wanting to do something for our own
advancement that others won't tollerate. It's all well and good to try, I can't say I blame them for that. I'm just saying that when that is
against the interests of others, sometimes they stop you.
I want an M-16. In my hands an M-16 could almost completely ensure the safety of my home and my loved ones. But you know what? The government says I
can't have an M-16 because they are afraid that I might use it in a conflict where I might be in the wrong. The government, along with a large
portion of voters, seem to think that it would be a whole lot safer to entrust safety to a body of laws and the duely appointed enforcers of those
laws, rather than to my unilateral ability to wield a weapon that could concievably kill quite a few people.
what we are doing is denying them the right to secure their country against these current bullies.
Allow me to propose an alternative for people who think Iran should have nuclear weapons. Now, theoretically, the United Nations, whose five permanent
members of the Security Council possess nuclear weapons, exists to stop this bullying. The international equivalent to laws and law enforcement exist.
The problem is that they are toothless. They've got nothing to do and no way to do it as they are currently being run.
I suggest, that rather than voicing support for the idea of nuclear proliferation, that you instead voice support for the idea of compulsory
enforcement of international law. Such a position kills two birds with one stone: it ensures the legitimate interests of Iran against aggression, even
from security council members, and it stands against nuclear proliferation, thereby preventing the drawbacks to Iran securing itself by possession of
theres the bullies then theres the victims.
Exactly. This has to be changed. The only way to stop being a victim is to become a bully, and that is what nuclear proliferation represents. A change
in the system which allows bullying is what is necessary, not nuclear proliferation.
growing up ive been a victim to bullies because they were far stronger to me. in a fist fight, i lose everytime. all the sudden weapons come in
and eventually its gun verse gun.
This is a wonderful demonstration. Suppose you had a teenage son who comes home from school bloody because some gang members jumped him. Do you give
him a gun, or do you call the police? I think the case for changes in the UN as opposed to encouraging proliferation is very strong.
Put a few nukes under direct UN control on a circulating basis. Build a missile defense system under similar international control. Establish a
Supreme Court of sorts which rules by majority rather than unanimous decision as the Security Council does. Authorize in advance the enforcement of
that court's decisions by UN forces and/or by unilateral action of any security council member.
humane doesnt exist because we arent advanced to. we are too unadvanced and divided to ever have peace. sure in the end those two guns get
used, people die. however unhumane that sounds it doesnt matter because problem is solved.
I don't see how that outlook forbids the US from killing Iran before they go get their own gun though. You seem to agree with me on the point that
force is the ultimate arbitor in every system yet concieved, and that is the very point of view which brought me to conclude that there is no
legitimate reason for the US to stand by and wait for the odds to turn against them.
Continuing to leave morality aside, the most universally advantageous system is to go with law enforcement. Granted it's not as advantageous for the
bullies, but it does protect them from the consequences of their past actions, which sooner or later will probably catch up with them.
The way I see it, the first thing on the agenda is to keep Iran from arming, and the very next thing is to end weapons proliferation once and for all
in some manner, perhaps in the manner that I have described.