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The Ties that Bind: Abramoff & Atta

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posted on Jan, 2 2006 @ 11:09 AM
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Why would devout muslim M. Atta be at a gambling casino just a few weeks prior to his supposed 9-11 martyrdom? And what are the odds that Atta would visit GOP super lobbyist Jack Abramoff's outfit? Small world, eh?



The Secret World of Jack Abramoff

“There is a weird report just a day or two after 9/11 that someone reported to the FBI that three or four of the hijackers were seen gambling on a SunCruz boat,” wrote a source in Miami. “The FBI interviewed everyone who might have seen them, that very day by all reports.”
Sure enough. We found an Associated Press story on Sept 26, 2001 headlined “SunCruz Casinos turns over documents in terrorist probe.”

“SunCruz Casinos has turned over photographs and other documents to FBI investigators after employees said they recognized some of the men suspected in the terrorist attacks as customers.… Names on the passenger list from a Sept. 5 cruise matched those of some of the hijackers... Two or three men linked to the Sept. 11 hijackings may have been customers on a ship that sailed from Madeira Beach on Florida's gulf coast.”

Less than a week before the 9.11 attack, Atta and several other hijackers were aboard one of Abramoff’s casino boats.
www.whatreallyhappened.com...


The article at WRH then takes you to Daniel Hopsicker's site MADCOWPROD.
www.madcowprod.com...

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posted on Jan, 2 2006 @ 11:23 AM
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"Goodbye cruel world.....Im going to gamble in the first time of my life in this infidel world before I head to paradise. To experience and see what infidels do in their own time. It pains me to see that these non-Muslims do not submit to themselves in Allah's way. I'm glad that I strike in these infidels' heart."



posted on Jan, 2 2006 @ 11:41 AM
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As I said, for a person who is supposedly so dedicated to his faith and ready to die for it, it sure was strange that Atta would go gambling right before his great act of martyrdom.

He had to be there for either a payout or to finalize arrangements.



posted on Jan, 2 2006 @ 11:47 AM
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Originally posted by EastCoastKid
As I said, for a person who is supposedly so dedicated to his faith and ready to die for it, it sure was strange that Atta would go gambling right before his great act of martyrdom.



Nobody is perfect. Even the hardcore Muslims.
I have seen many Muslims who do things that are considered a violation of the supposedly Koran laws.



posted on Jan, 2 2006 @ 11:56 AM
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Did Abramoff and Co. have Konstantinos "Gus" Boulis assassinated?


www.washingtonpost.com...


Sunday, May 1, 2005; Page A01

It was a gangland-style hit straight out of "Goodfellas."

A man in a BMW was driving down a quiet side street after an evening meeting at his Fort Lauderdale office when a car slowed to a stop in front of him. A second car boxed the BMW in from behind, then a dark Mustang appeared from the opposite direction. The Mustang's driver pulled alongside and pumped three hollow-point bullets into the BMW driver's chest.

The dead man was Konstantinos "Gus" Boulis, a volatile 51-year-old self-made millionaire, a Greek immigrant who had started as a dishwasher in Canada and ended up in Florida, where he built an empire of restaurants, hotels and cruise ships used for offshore casino gambling. Boulis's slaying, still unsolved four years later, reverberated all the way to Washington. Months earlier he had sold his fleet of casino ships to a partnership that included Republican superlobbyist Jack Abramoff.

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Based outside Fort Lauderdale, the business was the bane of Florida officials, who thought Boulis flouted the law, and SunCruz's port city neighbors, who complained that drunken gamblers were urinating on their lawns. For years, Boulis beat back efforts by federal and state lawyers determined to shut him down.

In 1999, federal prosecutors charged Boulis with violating the Shipping Act by purchasing his vessels without being a U.S. citizen. Boulis agreed to pay a $1 million fine and sell his cruise line. The government gave him 36 months to do it and agreed to keep the settlement secret so Boulis would not lose money in a fire sale.

To sell his business, Boulis turned to his lawyers in the D.C. office of Preston Gates Ellis & Rouvelas Meeds LLP. Art Dimopoulos, a maritime lawyer, looked for buyers. Jack Abramoff, one of Dimopoulos's partners at Preston Gates, said he could find one.

How nice of Abramoff and Co. to help Mr. Boulis sell SunCruz. Did they also help him into the afterlife after divesting him of his assets?

I wonder if Atta was even on the 9/11 plane. How convenient that his passport was found amoung all the tons of debris that were NOT included as evidence. How interesting that 9/11 "investigators" found only the precise evidence they needed for the rush to explanation. Hmmm..

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posted on Jan, 2 2006 @ 12:03 PM
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Yes, cowinkydinks abound.


As far as the character of a muslim, deltaboy, has any you know (to slip) ever been a part of a martyrdom operation?



posted on Jan, 2 2006 @ 12:03 PM
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Originally posted by smallpeeps
I wonder if Atta was even on the 9/11 plane. How convenient that his passport was found amoung all the tons of debris that were NOT included as evidence. How interesting that 9/11 "investigators" found only the precise evidence they needed for the rush to explanation. Hmmm..


He sure was or otherwise Osama bin Laden wouldnt be praising for his martyrdom and striking in the heart of America and its economy along with its military power which of course is the Pentagon.



posted on Jan, 2 2006 @ 12:20 PM
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I, too, think it's almost amusing how they came across Atta's passport. In such pristine and identifiable condition. What are the odds?



posted on Jan, 2 2006 @ 12:22 PM
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deltaboy said:
He sure was or otherwise Osama bin Laden wouldnt be praising for his martyrdom and striking in the heart of America and its economy along with its military power which of course is the Pentagon.

db, I dig your posts. I wish I could be as effective with as few words as you are.

Hey, I'm wondering how it is that we cannot (or do not want to) find Osama. Since you're using him as proof here, it reminds me of the larger picture. Since OBL is clearly the greatest and most efficient enemy the US has ever faced (he attacks us with our own civilian aircraft with no reprisal), how is he still free? It's a side question I know.

Also, what do you think about Osama visitng the US prior to 9/11 as Tim Osman? Do you think it's possible that somebody within the US might have conspired to place OBL in a position of power even tho' he was just a skinny rich kid with old fashioned, unoriginal ideas and some stinger missiles?

Do you believe Michael Riconosciuto and Ted Gunderson to be credible? If not, why not?

I am constantly baffled that OBL succeeds as a bogeyman. To me, he's the ultimate straw man, even LOOKS like a bag of straw.


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posted on Jan, 2 2006 @ 12:46 PM
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Originally posted by smallpeeps

db, I dig your posts. I wish I could be as effective with as few words as you are.


Thanks


Hey, I'm wondering how it is that we cannot (or do not want to) find Osama. Since you're using him as proof here, it reminds me of the larger picture. Since OBL is clearly the greatest and most efficient enemy the US has ever faced (he attacks us with our own civilian aircraft with no reprisal), how is he still free? It's a side question I know.


If we can't find many of the criminals back at home that are wanted by the FBI that has been hiding for years or decades in America with millions of people along with cameras and other methods, what makes you think we can get Osama in just only a few days after the 9/11? Look at the geography of Afghanistan and Pakistan. Not to mention hostile population that wont cooperate base on religion and culture. Also its politics about sending special forces into Pakistan if they had any intel on Osama's whereabouts.


Also, what do you think about Osama visitng the US prior to 9/11 as Tim Osman? Do you think it's possible that somebody within the US might have conspired to place OBL in a position of power even tho' he was just a skinny rich kid with old fashioned, unoriginal ideas and some stinger missiles?


Osama was considered an ally by the CIA, of course many dont believe he represents the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan. But many people felt they can use the Arabs for support. For example, Zawahiri who is second in command of Al Qaida was in California to raise support for the Mujahadeen. But with the Soviet-Afghan war over, you have people who have nothing else to do except go to Jihad against America since they felt they can do the same thing like they did against the Soviet Union which was a superpower.


I am constantly baffled that OBL succeeds as a bogeyman. To me, he's the ultimate straw man, even LOOKS like a bag of straw.


He is just trying to keep morale up for his followers. Looks can be deceiving, if you meet him, he probably just get his AK-74 submachine gun on you.



posted on Jan, 2 2006 @ 12:54 PM
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ehhh.....must be just coincindence, right???


I remember that now, did seem kind of odd that a bunch of fanaticaly muslims, ready to die for their faith, would end up in someplace so sordid and a casino......now, know that there's a connection to Jack Abramoff well, the strangeness is kind of replaced without something else....more like a "What the heck is going on here!!!"


if anyone listens to Coast to Coast, last night they had a group of psychics on making predictions for this years.....a few of them talked about Bush and his administration, one even predicted that Cheney might have to replace Bush because of Bush's mental problems....

watching all this come out into the light and unravel before his eyes, more than likely would drive him a little bonkers!!

especially if it unravels all the way...



posted on Jan, 2 2006 @ 10:07 PM
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Deltaboy, to buy into this official government story you have to believe something I refuse to believe. That is that our intelligence apparatus, not to mention our military apparatus combined with, cannot locate one Osama bin Laden. I believe we have the best intel and military in the world. If we can't find these clowns, we are not who we proclaim to be. It's plain and simple. Osama is Tim Osman and he might as well be government-issued liquid.



posted on Jan, 3 2006 @ 12:07 PM
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Originally posted by EastCoastKid
Deltaboy, to buy into this official government story you have to believe something I refuse to believe. That is that our intelligence apparatus, not to mention our military apparatus combined with, cannot locate one Osama bin Laden. I believe we have the best intel and military in the world. If we can't find these clowns, we are not who we proclaim to be. It's plain and simple. Osama is Tim Osman and he might as well be government-issued liquid.


Look at the CIA's previous intelligence failures, they are incompetent in what they do. The CIA is starting to act more like the NSA in terms of methods use to gather intelligence, true? You can see the list of failures of the CIA. Best intel......
...best military yeah but not intelligence community. Not to mention the bureaucracy where many intelligence agencies don't share intel because they don't believe other agencies have the right to know, etc.



posted on Jan, 3 2006 @ 12:21 PM
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they haven't found him because either 1) he's dead or 2) because they don't want to, or both.... every super hero needs an arch enemy.... if we wanted him we would've captured him at tora bora...... and now US forces are to be drawn down, so NATO can take over, as the nation's drug trade blossoms, how nice..........

and regarding "radical" muslims ready to die for their religion, don't you think they'd be hunkered down reciting verses from the Koran?



posted on Jan, 25 2006 @ 08:26 PM
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deltaboy said:
If we can't find many of the criminals back at home that are wanted by the FBI that has been hiding for years or decades in America with millions of people along with cameras and other methods, what makes you think we can get Osama in just only a few days after the 9/11? Look at the geography of Afghanistan and Pakistan. Not to mention hostile population that wont cooperate base on religion and culture. Also its politics about sending special forces into Pakistan if they had any intel on Osama's whereabouts.

I don't see this as a fair analogy since if it was the military going door-to-door (or cave to cave) in Utah for example (roughly comparitive size to Pakistan), they'd find whatever criminal they wanted. You're comparing one apple to a barrel of oranges.

You know well that the Pakistan intelligence service has a long relationship with the US, so I don't buy your second point at all. Suddenly we're just dumb and have no intel?



deltaboy said:
Osama was considered an ally by the CIA, of course many dont believe he represents the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan. But many people felt they can use the Arabs for support. For example, Zawahiri who is second in command of Al Qaida was in California to raise support for the Mujahadeen. But with the Soviet-Afghan war over, you have people who have nothing else to do except go to Jihad against America since they felt they can do the same thing like they did against the Soviet Union which was a superpower.

I thought I'd provide a link to corroborate your claim, because California is where I live. What I don't understand is how it connects to the question of Osama. You say he was considered an ally, but I think the word you are looking for is, "asset" since the CIA does not forge "alliances" with foreign powers. He remains an asset dead or alive, I might add. So long as his body is not found.



www.sfgate.com.../c/a/2001/10/11/MN119457.DTL

Traveling with a stolen passport supplied by the local terrorists and using a fake name, al-Zawahiri, who has called on Muslims to kill "Americans wherever they are," visited mosques in Santa Clara, Stockton and Sacramento as part of a coast-to-coast fund-raising mission, according to these accounts.

Al-Zawahiri may have raised as much as $500,000 in America, according to a Silicon Valley acquaintance of one of the terrorists. Most of it was donated by U.S. Muslims who were told the money would aid refugees of the Afghan- Soviet war of the 1980s, said this man, who asked not to be identified because of personal safety concerns.

So Al-Zawahiri came here and lied to some honest California muslims, took 500k from them. What's your point and how does it relate to Osama?



smallpeeps said:
I am constantly baffled that OBL succeeds as a bogeyman. To me, he's the ultimate straw man, even LOOKS like a bag of straw.


deltaboy said:
He is just trying to keep morale up for his followers. Looks can be deceiving, if you meet him, he probably just get his AK-74 submachine gun on you.


What? Osama is trying to keep morale up with his followers? I can't see how a reasonable person would believe this. Anyone who flies a plane into the Pentagon is going to gain some support from that percentage of muslims who percieves the US as conqueror-crusadists in the mid-east. I would not, however, label them his 'followers'.

How do you think these so-called followers see Osama's recent attempt at negotiated truce? I suppose most US hawks will read this as "We've got 'em on the ropes!". I don't see the bad-guy part of the GWOT being on the ropes, despite "Osama's" recent tape. I think lots of little terrorists are being created by our screw ups. Heck, even you've got to admit that the US actions create more US-haters, right? How can you answer otherwise?

To me, Osama is clearly a construct. He was designed to be the bad guy, clearly designed to be hidden in a foreign land, in a cave. I think Americans will be smart enough to see the next 9/11 as not being Osama-induced.

Anyway, back to the original topic of Atta and Abramoff:



SunCruz Casinos turns over documents in terrorist probe

TAMPA, Fla. - SunCruz Casinos has turned over photographs and other documents to FBI investigators after employees said they recognized some of the men suspected in the terrorist attacks as customers.
Michael Hlavsa, chairman of the gambling cruise company, said Wednesday two or three men linked to the Sept. 11 hijackings may have been customers on a ship that sailed from Madeira Beach on Florida's gulf coast.
9/26/01 By VICKIE CHACHERE Associated Press Writer and Florida Times-Union

I think it's interesting that SunCruz employees recognized Atta pretty quickly. Quick enough to get docs handed over within 15 days of 9/11. Almost like the PTB wanted to see what evidence was there, but not really use it.

Isn't it interesting A: How poorly the GWOT is conducted (creating more bad guys), and B: how much evidence about the GWOT origins remains concealed from the American people?


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posted on Jan, 25 2006 @ 09:34 PM
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Bin Laden is dead. Has been since Dec 2001. And no one except a few troops to keep up the ruse is looking for him. And the military in general doesn't have anything to do with it. They may be the ones who save our bacon if this ever comes to an endgame. Would you like some coffee with your after dinner coup-d'etat.

As far as the Abramoff thing is there any cross-referencing or corroboration besides External Source? It'd be funny as hell if it were true but I'd need to see some corroboration.
I don't think I'm spelling corroboration correctly. dang it.....



posted on Jan, 25 2006 @ 10:46 PM
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Originally posted by deltaboy
Look at the CIA's previous intelligence failures, they are incompetent in what they do. The CIA is starting to act more like the NSA in terms of methods use to gather intelligence, true?


You've got to be kidding me.
The CIA incompetent at what they do? :shk: You shouldn't believe everything you hear on tv. This administration has gone out of its way to pin the blame for all their nefarious deeds on the CIA. There were plenty of people in the CIA telling the administration that Iraq had no WMD or ties to al Qaeda terrorists. The Cheney/Rumsfeld cabal was not into hearing that, though. So, they shut those folks up and came up with their own "intel." When they got caught with their pants down (no WMD), they made the CIA the scapegoat. With George Tenet willing to fall on his sword to protect Bush, it worked out rather well.

We have the best intelligence agents in the world. I can't say the same for their current leadership, however.

If you want to know who is really behind 9-11, study the PNAC and Operation Northwoods.

Do you even understand the mission of each (CIA, NSA)? It doesn't sound like it. Furthermore, its more like the NSA (under Bush's direction) is behaving more and more like the CIA (of the '60s & '70s).



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