The Ties that Bind: Abramoff & Atta

Why would devout muslim M. Atta be at a gambling casino just a few weeks prior to his supposed 9-11 martyrdom? And what are the odds that Atta would visit GOP super lobbyist Jack Abramoff's outfit? Small world, eh?



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[edit on 2/1/2006 by Mirthful Me]

"Goodbye cruel world.....Im going to gamble in the first time of my life in this infidel world before I head to paradise. To experience and see what infidels do in their own time. It pains me to see that these non-Muslims do not submit to themselves in Allah's way. I'm glad that I strike in these infidels' heart."

As I said, for a person who is supposedly so dedicated to his faith and ready to die for it, it sure was strange that Atta would go gambling right before his great act of martyrdom.

He had to be there for either a payout or to finalize arrangements.

Nobody is perfect. Even the hardcore Muslims. I have seen many Muslims who do things that are considered a violation of the supposedly Koran laws.

Did Abramoff and Co. have Konstantinos "Gus" Boulis assassinated?

How nice of Abramoff and Co. to help Mr. Boulis sell SunCruz. Did they also help him into the afterlife after divesting him of his assets?

I wonder if Atta was even on the 9/11 plane. How convenient that his passport was found amoung all the tons of debris that were NOT included as evidence. How interesting that 9/11 "investigators" found only the precise evidence they needed for the rush to explanation. Hmmm..

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[edit on 2/1/2006 by Mirthful Me]

Yes, cowinkydinks abound.

As far as the character of a muslim, deltaboy, has any you know (to slip) ever been a part of a martyrdom operation?

He sure was or otherwise Osama bin Laden wouldnt be praising for his martyrdom and striking in the heart of America and its economy along with its military power which of course is the Pentagon.

I, too, think it's almost amusing how they came across Atta's passport. In such pristine and identifiable condition. What are the odds?

db, I dig your posts. I wish I could be as effective with as few words as you are.

Hey, I'm wondering how it is that we cannot (or do not want to) find Osama. Since you're using him as proof here, it reminds me of the larger picture. Since OBL is clearly the greatest and most efficient enemy the US has ever faced (he attacks us with our own civilian aircraft with no reprisal), how is he still free? It's a side question I know.

Also, what do you think about Osama visitng the US prior to 9/11 as Tim Osman? Do you think it's possible that somebody within the US might have conspired to place OBL in a position of power even tho' he was just a skinny rich kid with old fashioned, unoriginal ideas and some stinger missiles?

Do you believe Michael Riconosciuto and Ted Gunderson to be credible? If not, why not?

I am constantly baffled that OBL succeeds as a bogeyman. To me, he's the ultimate straw man, even LOOKS like a bag of straw.


[edit on 2-1-2006 by smallpeeps]

Thanks



If we can't find many of the criminals back at home that are wanted by the FBI that has been hiding for years or decades in America with millions of people along with cameras and other methods, what makes you think we can get Osama in just only a few days after the 9/11? Look at the geography of Afghanistan and Pakistan. Not to mention hostile population that wont cooperate base on religion and culture. Also its politics about sending special forces into Pakistan if they had any intel on Osama's whereabouts.



Osama was considered an ally by the CIA, of course many dont believe he represents the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan. But many people felt they can use the Arabs for support. For example, Zawahiri who is second in command of Al Qaida was in California to raise support for the Mujahadeen. But with the Soviet-Afghan war over, you have people who have nothing else to do except go to Jihad against America since they felt they can do the same thing like they did against the Soviet Union which was a superpower.



He is just trying to keep morale up for his followers. Looks can be deceiving, if you meet him, he probably just get his AK-74 submachine gun on you.

ehhh.....must be just coincindence, right???

I remember that now, did seem kind of odd that a bunch of fanaticaly muslims, ready to die for their faith, would end up in someplace so sordid and a casino......now, know that there's a connection to Jack Abramoff well, the strangeness is kind of replaced without something else....more like a "What the heck is going on here!!!"


if anyone listens to Coast to Coast, last night they had a group of psychics on making predictions for this years.....a few of them talked about Bush and his administration, one even predicted that Cheney might have to replace Bush because of Bush's mental problems....

watching all this come out into the light and unravel before his eyes, more than likely would drive him a little bonkers!!

especially if it unravels all the way...

Deltaboy, to buy into this official government story you have to believe something I refuse to believe. That is that our intelligence apparatus, not to mention our military apparatus combined with, cannot locate one Osama bin Laden. I believe we have the best intel and military in the world. If we can't find these clowns, we are not who we proclaim to be. It's plain and simple. Osama is Tim Osman and he might as well be government-issued liquid.

Look at the CIA's previous intelligence failures, they are incompetent in what they do. The CIA is starting to act more like the NSA in terms of methods use to gather intelligence, true? You can see the list of failures of the CIA. Best intel.........best military yeah but not intelligence community. Not to mention the bureaucracy where many intelligence agencies don't share intel because they don't believe other agencies have the right to know, etc.

they haven't found him because either 1) he's dead or 2) because they don't want to, or both.... every super hero needs an arch enemy.... if we wanted him we would've captured him at tora bora...... and now US forces are to be drawn down, so NATO can take over, as the nation's drug trade blossoms, how nice..........

and regarding "radical" muslims ready to die for their religion, don't you think they'd be hunkered down reciting verses from the Koran?

I don't see this as a fair analogy since if it was the military going door-to-door (or cave to cave) in Utah for example (roughly comparitive size to Pakistan), they'd find whatever criminal they wanted. You're comparing one apple to a barrel of oranges.

You know well that the Pakistan intelligence service has a long relationship with the US, so I don't buy your second point at all. Suddenly we're just dumb and have no intel?


I thought I'd provide a link to corroborate your claim, because California is where I live. What I don't understand is how it connects to the question of Osama. You say he was considered an ally, but I think the word you are looking for is, "asset" since the CIA does not forge "alliances" with foreign powers. He remains an asset dead or alive, I might add. So long as his body is not found.


So Al-Zawahiri came here and lied to some honest California muslims, took 500k from them. What's your point and how does it relate to Osama?


What? Osama is trying to keep morale up with his followers? I can't see how a reasonable person would believe this. Anyone who flies a plane into the Pentagon is going to gain some support from that percentage of muslims who percieves the US as conqueror-crusadists in the mid-east. I would not, however, label them his 'followers'.

How do you think these so-called followers see Osama's recent attempt at negotiated truce? I suppose most US hawks will read this as "We've got 'em on the ropes!". I don't see the bad-guy part of the GWOT being on the ropes, despite "Osama's" recent tape. I think lots of little terrorists are being created by our screw ups. Heck, even you've got to admit that the US actions create more US-haters, right? How can you answer otherwise?

To me, Osama is clearly a construct. He was designed to be the bad guy, clearly designed to be hidden in a foreign land, in a cave. I think Americans will be smart enough to see the next 9/11 as not being Osama-induced.

Anyway, back to the original topic of Atta and Abramoff:


I think it's interesting that SunCruz employees recognized Atta pretty quickly. Quick enough to get docs handed over within 15 days of 9/11. Almost like the PTB wanted to see what evidence was there, but not really use it.

Isn't it interesting A: How poorly the GWOT is conducted (creating more bad guys), and B: how much evidence about the GWOT origins remains concealed from the American people?


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Bin Laden is dead. Has been since Dec 2001. And no one except a few troops to keep up the ruse is looking for him. And the military in general doesn't have anything to do with it. They may be the ones who save our bacon if this ever comes to an endgame. Would you like some coffee with your after dinner coup-d'etat.

As far as the Abramoff thing is there any cross-referencing or corroboration besides External Source? It'd be funny as hell if it were true but I'd need to see some corroboration.
I don't think I'm spelling corroboration correctly. dang it.....

You've got to be kidding me. The CIA incompetent at what they do? You shouldn't believe everything you hear on tv. This administration has gone out of its way to pin the blame for all their nefarious deeds on the CIA. There were plenty of people in the CIA telling the administration that Iraq had no WMD or ties to al Qaeda terrorists. The Cheney/Rumsfeld cabal was not into hearing that, though. So, they shut those folks up and came up with their own "intel." When they got caught with their pants down (no WMD), they made the CIA the scapegoat. With George Tenet willing to fall on his sword to protect Bush, it worked out rather well.

We have the best intelligence agents in the world. I can't say the same for their current leadership, however.

If you want to know who is really behind 9-11, study the PNAC and Operation Northwoods.

Do you even understand the mission of each (CIA, NSA)? It doesn't sound like it. Furthermore, its more like the NSA (under Bush's direction) is behaving more and more like the CIA (of the '60s & '70s).