Seem's Indonesia's IslamoNazi's score last Terror attack for 2005.

Redmage says, I'm not the one claiming "Terrorist's cant be real Muslim's".


Thanks for finally answering. ill call it a night now, adios amigo.

Originally posted by NumberCruncher
Redmage says, I'm not the one claiming "Terrorist's cant be real Muslim's".


Thanks for finally answering. ill call it a night now, adios amigo.

Son, that is priceless

Issue dodging, self contradiction, back-pedaling, all leading to an out of context quote. :shk:

Desperation at it's finest.

That's right, " I'm not the one claiming Terrorist's cant be real Muslim's", and by the tone of your quick withdrawl (with an out of context quote) , you seem to be assuming that it means I'm saying "they can be real muslims" and I've said nothing of the sort.

So I'll spell it out for you.

The "answer" was (for the third time ), "There are extremists self-associated with every religion, so, vast overgeneralizations are, in my opinion, a bad idea in any situation."

The point was/is, your catch-phrase labeling has no place in a topic with such a grey area, It's extremly narrow-minded and myopic.


Since we're discussing "finally answering" , you have yet to address your contradiction.

redmage
Son, you've already alleged "terrorists can't be real Muslim's" which denotes them following the Islamic religion.

So if they are not Islamic they cannot be Islamofascists or IslamoNazi's.

You're gonna need to make up your mind on this one to have a logical stance on the issue.

So what's it gonna be son?

If you truly believe that "terrorists can't be real Muslim's" then you have no business using derogatory hate terms like "Islamofascist's" or "IslamoNazi's" which offend "real" people of faith, and only serve to "add fuel to the divisional fire" between the two cultures.


[edit on 1/2/06 by redmage]

Originally posted by NumberCruncher
No sir it is you that hasnt read my reply properly.

Unless i am wrong a Muslim cannot be a Terrorist, so it is not beyond reason that these Islamofascist Terrorist spawns of Satan are swine eaters, am i wrong ?


You seem to interpret the meaning of cold blooded completely different to how it is used in my culture, accept it.

Do you lack so much intelligence that you fail to see you contradict yourself nearly every time you post?

If you have just accepted Muslims cannot be terrorists, then there can be no "islamafascist" terrorists, because muslims cannot be terrorist....

I would really deal with that paranoia of muslims you seem to have, but then again it does produce some damm funny posts for us to read. Keep posting lies and unrelated photos, you damage your own cause more then anyone elses.

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[edit on 2/1/2006 by Mirthful Me]

Originally posted by HiddenReality


If you have just accepted Muslims cannot be terrorists, then there can be no "islamafascist" terrorists, because muslims cannot be terrorist....

I have only accepted that real Muslims cannot be Terrorists, i accept there are fake Muslims who are terrorists who incidently are going to rot in Hell.

Hence the name Islamofascist.

Originally posted by NumberCruncher

I have only accepted that real Muslims cannot be Terrorists, i accept there are fake Muslims who are terrorists who incidently are going to rot in Hell.

Hence the name Islamofascist.

So if you accept that real muslims are not terrorists, and imposters are using the religion as a shield, why do you insist on calling the innocent millions of the faith terrorists, dont you think the millions of innocent will take offence? Others have showed you over and over again how you contradict yourself but you just ignore there posts, so i guess trying to explain it to you is pointless.

Originally posted by HiddenReality
so i guess trying to explain it to you is pointless.

Son you are really starting to amaze me with how fast you catch on.

Peace be with you.

Originally posted by NumberCruncher

Originally posted by HiddenReality
so i guess trying to explain it to you is pointless.

Son you are really starting to amaze me with how fast you catch on.

Peace be with you.

So at last you admit* you are a blind arrogant person who refuses to even look at somebody elses point of view. There is no need for me try argue with you anymore, because you have showed everyone you do not want to learn, you just want to spread hate you know is rubbish.



[edit on 3-1-2006 by HiddenReality]

[edit on 3-1-2006 by HiddenReality]

[edit on 3-1-2006 by HiddenReality]

Originally posted by NumberCruncher

I have only accepted that real Muslims cannot be Terrorists, i accept there are fake Muslims who are terrorists who incidently are going to rot in Hell.

Hence the name Islamofascist.

Hence you contradict yourself again.

Son, if they are not "real" Muslims then they can not be Islamofascists/Islamonazis.

If that's how you feel then you should call them "fake Islamofascists" or "fake Islamonazis" to clarify your stance/point.

Admittedly, it's not as catchy of a hate phrase as your origional, but at least it will make more sense by logically backing your opinions.

Or, maybe you could use "terrornazis" or "terrorfascists" instead, if you need a new catch phrase so badly.

As it stands now, your hate labels contradict your own admitted views on the topic.

So, are you really trying to further the understanding of the issues at hand, or, are you just trying to add to the hate and propaganda already clouding the issues?

The more you blatantly contradict yourself, the more it's looking like the latter. :shk:


[edit on 1/3/06 by redmage]

Can we not drop this already ??

I'll spell out my position one more time.

Once you convince Politicians, media outlet's and other groups such as wikepedia to drop the term Islamofascist, ill consider your request in writing to do the same.

Peace be with you.

What's up sons?!

I found an interesting take on the definition of fascism:

This may surprise most educated people. One of the more common government strategies today, especially in developing regions is fascism. Fascism is commonly confused with Nazism. Nazism is a political party platform that embraces a combination of a military dictatorship, socialism and fascism. It is not a government structure. Fascism is a government structure. The most notable characteristic of a fascist country is the separation and persecution or denial of equality to a specific segment of the population based upon superficial qualities or belief systems.

Fascism is commonly defined as an open terror-based dictatorship which is:

* Reactionary: makes policy based upon current circumstances rather than creating policies to prevent problems; piles lies and misnomers on top of more lies until the truth becomes indistinguishable, revised or forgotten.
* Chauvinistic: Two or more tiered legal systems, varying rights based upon superficial characteristics such as race, creed and origin.
* Imperialist elements of finance capital: Extending a nation's authority by territorial acquisition or by the establishment of economic and political domination of one state over its allies.

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I guess fascism is a term that's there for everybody to use against the opposition in these discussions, regardless what side you take.

Off subject, NumberCruncher, either your really Busta Rhymes, or by your own admission, it would seem you owe alot of members here back child support.

Originally posted by NumberCruncher

Originally posted by IComeWithASword
You come with a jet fighter? Why are you so fearful of your own shadow? You make this people up and scare yourself with them. Kind of amusing.

Come with what ever, it would be meaningless.

You so eloqaintly dismiss the notion of Islamofascist Terrorists in Indonesia, it is so unbecoming for you to do so.

I once visited this Lovely little Island in Indonesia called Bali, i will never return there, do you need me to tell you why ?

Let me guess, it is full of western tourist, an easy target for a western spook to operate?

Originally posted by IComeWithASword

Originally posted by NumberCruncher

Originally posted by IComeWithASword
You come with a jet fighter? Why are you so fearful of your own shadow? You make this people up and scare yourself with them. Kind of amusing.

Come with what ever, it would be meaningless.

You so eloqaintly dismiss the notion of Islamofascist Terrorists in Indonesia, it is so unbecoming for you to do so.

I once visited this Lovely little Island in Indonesia called Bali, i will never return there, do you need me to tell you why ?

Let me guess, it is full of western tourist, an easy target for a western spook to operate?

Used to be, now its an abandoned, miserable, hungry little Island full of fear, unhappiness, remorse, vengance and hate.

Im glad you find it so amusing son.

Originally posted by NumberCruncher
Once you convince Politicians, media outlet's and other groups such as wikepedia to drop the term Islamofascist, ill consider your request in writing to do the same.

Funny you should mention Wikipedia, son.

Source: Wikipedia en.wikipedia.org...

Some critics view it as an oxymoron and a rhetorical device or propaganda. Juan Cole, professor of modern Middle East and South Asian history at the University of Michigan regards the term "Islamofascism" as offensive and tantamount to hate speech, because, he argues, it is a desecration that is profoundly insulting to Muslims, "It is hard to see the difference between the bigotry of anti-Semitism as an evil and the bigotry that [Michael] Medved displays toward Islam. It is more offensive than I can say for him to use the word "Islamo-fascist." Islam is a sacred term to 1.3 billion people in the world. It enshrines their highest ideals. To combine it with the word "fascist" in one phrase is a desecration and a form of hate speech. Are there Muslims who are fascists? Sure. But there is no Islamic fascism, since "Islam" has to do with the highest ideals of the religion. In the same way, there have been lots of Christian fascists, but to speak of Christo-Fascism is just offensive."

Others argue that movements characterized as "Islamofascist" are dissimilar to fascist movements of the past. According to Roxanne Euben, a professor of political science at Wellesley College, "Fascism is nationalistic and Islamicism is hostile to nationalism. Fundamentalism is a transnational movement that is appealing to believers of all nations and races across national boundaries. There is no idea of racial purity as in Nazism. Islamicists have very little idea of the state. It is a religious movement, while Fascism in Europe was a secular movement. So if it's not what we really think of as nationalism, and if it's not really like what we think of as Fascist, why use these terms?"

The use of the term "Islamofascist" by proponents of the War on Terror has prompted some critics to argue that the term is a typical example of wartime propaganda, "Islamofascism is nothing but an empty propaganda term. And wartime propaganda is usually, if not always, crafted to produce hysteria, the destruction of any sense of proportion. Such words, undefined and unmeasured, are used by people more interested in making us lose our heads than in keeping their own." —Joseph Sobran, paleoconservative Catholic commentator

As for politicians, good luck convincing them of anything.

Propaganda is the "name of their game".


[edit on 1/4/06 by redmage]

NumberCruncher do you think redmage's excellent post put the facts simple enough for you to understand? The words he used seemed simple enough for even a minor to understand, but maybe there a bit too tough for you still.

Now if you can please stop contradicting yourself, and dragging the topic off in unrelated directions, maybe we can change your racist xenophobic views your harbour.

Great post redmage, you have a skill with words i wouldnt mind having