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Help!! Important! *Disclosure project* Read and sign this document. Letter to the UN

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posted on Dec, 31 2005 @ 06:48 PM
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Originally posted by Dulcimer
Its my opinion that the UN would never even look at the petition outcome.

Why do they talk about banning space weapons?

Do they really think a petition of 10,000 people will ban space weapons?


Because the US is probably shooting at the ET vehicles and they want to prevent a real life WAR Of The Worlds. If you don't know who they are, or what they come here for, you should not be shooting at them. Its common sense. Would you shoot at a neighbor that’s new to the vicinity just because he is passing to close to your house?




posted on Dec, 31 2005 @ 06:56 PM
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Even if there is intelligent life piloting spaceships to our planet, what good would it be if we didn't have space weapons?


A war is started by one party.

So what if we don't start a war... does that mean "they" wont start a war?



We can have weapons and not use them too. Just because I have a gun, does that mean I have to use it? No.

Chances are your space weapons will not even hit the targets.



posted on Dec, 31 2005 @ 07:07 PM
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Those "Disclosure Project" people have had more than five years to produce some hard and fast evidence in support of their assertions, and they've failed to do so.

So what I'd be doing if I signed that petition would be telling the UN (whom nothing more than are a bunch of tootheless debaters and Third-World socialist mendicants) that I want the US made weaker by banning weapons in space (as if the US would ratify that gem!) while pushing these UN bozos to try to force (somehow) the US to turn over evidence which probably doesn't exist anyway.

I don't think so.



posted on Dec, 31 2005 @ 07:26 PM
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In my thoughts, ET disclosure is not on the top of any agenda, nor is forbidding Space weapons per se, without full awareness of what we are doing. Disclosure is important in our most basic life support systems, far more than ET disclosure, which would essentially do nothing much more than what we are already well aware from many readings.

What is an "ethical ET," anyway? We are beggars on this matter, and we want to be choosers? Well let's find some "good guys," so we can do some deals? How about "ethical humans," who are in even more short supply in the UN than in the general population? Why does anyone want to give the UN more power through such an agency as a petition? Where is the grievance here, only ignorance is it? Then gain wisdom, because knowing about something is different from deep details within any proposed ET disclosure parameters.

There are not enough questions, only assumptions, namely that say the US government really knows so much, when it is hopelessly divided in its knowledge though various compartments.

Sure we can petition about ET disclosure, but do we want to disarm ourselves for the "ethical ETs?" What about the not so ethical ones? I would say keep everything we have to defend ourselves period, because even than may not be enough when thinking about ETs that are billions of years ahead of us.

So show me some ethical ETs, then I might consider signing, but you simply need time to trust. Start by cleaning our own house first, then maybe you can sign such a petitition with a clear conscience.

[edit on 31-12-2005 by SkipShipman]



posted on Dec, 31 2005 @ 07:28 PM
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Off-the_street,

Good for you!

Space is not for humans to own. Those greedy bastards! Space should be the final frontier, not a place for war.



posted on Dec, 31 2005 @ 07:36 PM
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we need ATS to help us out and spread the word for people to sign the petition, i just signed



posted on Dec, 31 2005 @ 07:39 PM
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Children...

ATS is a Forum where people are free to hold an opinion, if you dislike people having an opinion but your own this is probably not the place for you. The T&C are there, you all have to stick within them.

If you post something like this, on this site people will call into judgement the "Project" and if you can't debate as to why people should sign the document than you will do more harm to the cause than good. I suggest you bother to answer many of the valid points, before people begin to question your involvement with this even more and damage something which if handled correctly could gain a lot of support.

Now, cut the "name calling" and "insulting" before the thread gets trashed and all of two people sign the document.

Odium.



posted on Dec, 31 2005 @ 08:52 PM
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I am for full disclosure. It doesnt make sense that some other nations readily admits to the UFO phenomena but the US govt, a super power with the largest tracking and weapon arsenal in the history of mankind, is in denial, to the detriment of its population who had been continually made fun of.

As for the weaponisation of space, it would still be a question mark. 'Aliens' are just hypothetical threats, but weapons in space can be used to counter other threats such as meteors and other forms of threats that cannot be imagined yet in our unknown universe.

It is a question mark because, take the example of a hammer. By itself it is just a tool and pose no danger. It is the one who welds or programme it is the danger. Who should be the one authorised to press the button?

-the UN?...havent we seen how ineffective the UN were over the Iraq debacle?

-President of US, the current most powerful 'infallible' man on Earth, supposedly put in that exalted position thru a vaunted 'system of checks', who invaded Iraq on hearsay of WMD possesion by the Iraqis?

-Religious fundementalists who not only dont fear their own death but are ready to drag everyone to hell with them?

I am for weaponisation of space, but i may not be ready to trust the human that press the button, for without understanding the aerial phenomena to make an inform decision thru discussion, passing our wishes and views to our elected representives in congress to debate it uses and protoccols governing its use, we may effectively exterminating ourselves with such ignorance.

One thing at a time - FULL DISCLOSURE FIRST!!!



posted on Jan, 1 2006 @ 10:18 AM
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I signed it. I'm always down for signing UFO petitions to the UN. If we don't, who will hear our voices calling for disclosure? Do you think the UN reads this ATS forum?
(no offense, I love ATS)


[edit on 1-1-2006 by meshuggah1324]



posted on Jan, 1 2006 @ 04:11 PM
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Originally posted by Dulcimer
Its my opinion that the UN would never even look at the petition outcome.

Why do they talk about banning space weapons?

Do they really think a petition of 10,000 people will ban space weapons?


Let alone an internet petition
? Nobody ever takes those things seriously.



posted on Jan, 1 2006 @ 05:44 PM
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The UN has no say in what happens outside of Earth. Now a days seems they have no say on anything.

I strongly agree with what SeekerofTruth06 said about meteors. We don't have an effective tactical defence against an astroid, yes we can always send the nukes
and blow that astroid into probably 4 smaller astroids that would cover more ground on impact.



[edit on 1-1-2006 by the_renegade]



posted on Jan, 2 2006 @ 12:51 AM
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Thanks to everyone that has replied to this thread. I must admit that I have not been to helpful to the cause and I apologize for that. Your comments, even if are different to my point of view, are always welcome.
I guess that I am just getting a little impatient with this disclosure of ET civilizations, and am acting up. Sorry about that guys



posted on Jan, 2 2006 @ 02:36 AM
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I can give an example of why the US should not disclose hidden secrets if the US government had some. If the US had advanced technology far beyond what other governments possess, it would be in the interest of the US government and I believe the interest of the people of the US to keep this secret. In the event of a war where enemies want to kill the US and the people of the US, having an advantage over your enemy can save your life, your job, and your way of life. It could mean the difference between hearing about an incident where someone was stopped versus a story on the evening news where tons of people died. I'm simply stating this for those that seem to see no reason why a government would want to keep secrets. There could be a number of bad reasons not to disclose secrets as well (coverups, illegal activity, etc.) but I believe what I mentioned earlier is a good reason.



posted on Jan, 2 2006 @ 07:31 AM
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If the US had advanced technology far beyond what other governments possess, it would be in the interest of the US government and I believe the interest of the people of the US to keep this secret.


I agree totally on that point, but just give us a "yes" or "no" about the existance of UFOs and I'd be a happy camper.



posted on Jan, 2 2006 @ 09:45 AM
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It is normal that each country has its secrets and secret projects.
However, lets assume such crafts are a country's top secret project.

1. If it is secret, why are these crafts seen in public, in broad daylight and in major population centres?

2. If they are secret research flights, what are they doing in their neighbour's yard? No fear of creating a 'shoot on sight' international incident? Messing up with civilian and military safe FAA flight corridors with no recorded or reported flight plans?

3. If they are a national project, why are eyewitnesses - the voting public and taxpayers - made a fool of and ridicle for decades with balloon theories? Why are their own military and civilian pilots silenced and cashiered if they dare report such flights? Even more sinister, why are there reports of eyewitness being harassed and threatened by mafia/S.S. liked govt thugs if they dare to voice out in public?

Its understandable if silence is required for national security sake, but there's where the senate intelligence oversight committee comes in. The senate is made of elected officials and i am sure if any voting citizen complains to their own elected senator, they in turn will voice their concerns to such committee to ensure such anti-constitutional behaviour and violation of civil rights is stopped.

But were they stopped?

To admit such crafts belongs to earth would mean our govt are involved in thuggery and violation of our liberties and safety of the international community, treating us as serfs, acting as despots without regards to our welfare, our elected officials and govt committees are nothing more than 'rubber stamping' authorities facade.

Therefore, in conclusion, dare we say such crafts belongs to a democratic or socialist country without slapping ourselves in the face for voting and paying taxes?



posted on Jan, 2 2006 @ 10:06 AM
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signed. Also signed other petitions while there.

I am a bit concerned that the aliens might feel pressed into etablishing contact. Would prefer it was based on willingness to be in contact with us rather than force the issue on the Aliens...

An interesting place, all in all.



posted on Jan, 2 2006 @ 11:57 AM
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A thought just occured to me. What if the Disclosure Project is actually, in fact, a method used by "them" to gain our trust, gather all the names and locations of us "crazies", then rid us when the times comes so that there will be less resistance to the "new way". We're all doomed...

[edit on 2-1-2006 by CloudlessKnight]



posted on Jan, 2 2006 @ 02:21 PM
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signed...no one is going to get you for signing that petition...everyone here is basically on here because we live in fear maby? after reading this forum for so long why are you people afraid of death if that petition is going get us killed.

i am here to hopefully one day make the subject of et's open and a petition like this.i just had to sign because it goes for everything i want. imagine a day when it is cool for the "normal" person to research ufo's.that will come soon if enough people sign this petition and we cross our fingers that it is a real petition.hope for the best



posted on Jan, 2 2006 @ 06:29 PM
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It's not the fear of getting killed by aliens because off signing a petition, this petition is for some reason legit (Did my research), the fact that it's on the net makes me laugh though. Anyway this petition is named "Peace on Earth and in Space". Great another activist. How long has Greenpeace been trying to get their message across? YEARS. I don't think a petition of 10,000 will cut it. Besides most of the world does not believe in life outside of Earth, they're the ones who call us "crazies".

IF this petition does somehow make to it's intended targets, I don't think that the resulting response will be what those 10,000 would have hoped for.

Off topic, to many people here seem to think that all species of life (outside Earth) are trying to "get" us. Are all middle-easterners trying to kill all Westerners? No, of course not! It's what our perception's are, and if you believe everthing you hear without doing some research, then to me, you ARE the "crazies".




Originally posted by Cabanman
Because the US is probably shooting at the ET vehicles and they want to prevent a real life WAR Of The Worlds. If you don't know who they are, or what they come here for, you should not be shooting at them. Its common sense. Would you shoot at a neighbor that’s new to the vicinity just because he is passing to close to your house?


This is your ASSUMPTION! The first five words show me that you haven't done any research into the subject. Humans attacking advanced life? We would have probably been dead by now if this were true.



[edit on 2-1-2006 by the_renegade]



posted on Jan, 2 2006 @ 07:32 PM
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[edit on 2-1-2006 by Cabanman]




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