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The Islamofascist's and the Nazi connection

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posted on Jan, 2 2006 @ 01:04 PM
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The above poster recieved a warning for the personal attack.

This is not the way to win an argument, or debate here.

Keep the discussion civil and on topic please.




posted on Jan, 2 2006 @ 02:12 PM
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Originally posted by Souljah

then we also have the,

Christian

Panzer Cardinal Ratzinger (was a Nazi)


(Pope Benedict XVI =) Ratzinger's membership in the Hitler Youth was not voluntary but compulsory. He he was the son of an anti-Nazi policeman.

He he was given a dispensation from Hitler Youth activities because of his religious studies, and that he deserted the German army.

Ratzinger has several times gone on record on his supposedly "problematic" past.

In the 1997 book Salt of the Earth, Ratzinger is asked whether he was ever in the Hitler Youth.




"At first we weren't," he says, speaking of himself and his older brother, "but when the compulsory Hitler Youth was introduced in 1941, my brother was obliged to join. I was still too young, but later as a seminarian, I was registered in the Hitler Youth. As soon as I was out of the seminary, I never went back. And that was difficult because the tuition reduction, which I really needed, was tied to proof of attendance at the Hitler Youth.

"Thank goodness there was a very understanding mathematics professor. He himself was a Nazi, but an honest man, and said to me, 'Just go once to get the document so we have it...' When he saw that I simply didn't want to, he said, 'I understand, I'll take care of it' and so I was able to stay free of it."



Ratzinger says this again in his own memoirs, printed in 1998. In his 2002 biography of the cardinal, John Allen, Jr. of the National Catholic Reporter wrote in detail about those events.


If he were truly a Nazi sympathizer, then it would undoubtedly have become evident during the past 60 years. Yet throughout his service in the church, Ratzinger has distinguished himself in the field of Jewish-Catholic relations.

As prefect of the Doctrine of the Faith, Ratzinger played an instrumental role in the Vatican's revolutionary reconciliation with the Jews under John Paul II.

He personally prepared Memory and Reconciliation, the 2000 document outlining the church's historical "errors" in its treatment of Jews.

And as president of the Pontifical Biblical Commission, Ratzinger oversaw the preparation of The Jewish People and Their Sacred Scriptures in the Christian Bible, a milestone theological explanation for the Jews' rejection of Jesus.

If that's (theological) anti-Semitism, then we (=Jews) should only be so lucky to "suffer" more of the same.



posted on Jan, 2 2006 @ 07:34 PM
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Originally posted by mad scientist

The following pictures take place in Bosnia, two years after the Grand Mufti Hajj Amin al Husseini (blood relative of both the current Temple Mount Mufti and Yasser Arafat) launched an unsuccessful pro-Nazi coup in Iraq. In that coup, an Iranian - Khayrallah Tulfah - was jailed for four years for his pro-Nazi activities. He wrote a booklet called "Three Whom God Should Not Have Created: Iranians, Jews, and Flies.", which was later distributed by the Ministry of Education of Iraq. In 1947, Khayrallah Tulfah gave a home to his sister's ten year old son, an orphan. His name was Saddam Hussein.


Hizbollah "Swearing in ceremony - Iran 2003


An interesting site if you care to hvae a look : www.eretzyisroel.org...



Nice peice of work here, it points out the direct and living IslamoNazi link.

I can find plenty of information about Grand Mufti Hajj Amin al Husseini but i cant seem to find if he had any off spring ?

more info ...

In 1945, Yugoslavia sought to indict the Mufti as a war criminal for his role in recruiting 20,000 Muslim volunteers for the SS, who participated in the killing of Jews in Croatia and Hungary. He escaped from French detention in 1946, however, and continued his fight against the Jews from Cairo and later Beirut. He died in 1974.

The Husseini family continues to play a role in Palestinian affairs, with Faisal Husseini, whose father was the Mufti's nephew, still regarded as one of their leading spokesmen in the territories.
www.israel-wat.com...



Back to finding information .....


PS. apologists in this thread, why not start your own about all these other claimed Nazi groups you keep bringing in ?



posted on Jan, 2 2006 @ 08:04 PM
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Originally posted by HiddenReality

Originally posted by NumberCruncher

Son 1.4 bil is far from Billions, sure your numbers are rising through birth but are shrinking from conversion, but you still see an over all net gain in some of the poorest and most un influential nations on Earth.



Ok your 14 billion is not billions, but its a lot, a whole lot of people you want to lable as evil and nazis... I just wish people like you would voice these opinions outside, around muslims instead of trying to bait them online, but then you would never have guts to do this would you.

Your wrong about the srinking from conversion rubbish, Islam is the fastest growing religion and recieves more converts then anymore religion.

Now if you could stop showing your incestral homosexual tendencies to me by calling me son i would be gratefull, as i have asked you to do many times.



Look son i think even you can understand that im not Labeling all Muslims evil and Nazi's.

Im lableing the IslamoNazis the evil spawn of Satan for the 3946+ terror attacks they have carried out since 9/11 - but you fail to recongnise this it seems.

I have no need to voice my opinions around Muslims because its not about Muslims its about IslamoNazis, and besides that statement is a hippocritical stance considering your message to me about how your religous Leader's are going to take over my country and slit my throat, if your as hard as you make out why dont you go around spouting that off a little more ?, so whos what here again son ?

If you cant have a civilised debate and prove this discussion wrong, why bother ?



posted on Jan, 2 2006 @ 08:34 PM
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Nazi/Fascist connections can be made world-wide. From American corporations funding the Nazis early in the war to the National Socialist Movement in modern America(Google the site, Im not risking a warning). The Middle Eastern connection to the Nazis is merely a branch of their far flung and deep rooted influence.

I think it's great that people are made aware of these connections, but using this logic, Chase, City Bank, J.P. Morgan, all American corporations that supported the Nazis and allowed them to spread this influence are the "Evil spawns of satan".

Where is this going? All I've seen accomplished so far is labeling the old threats with a new name. I'm really enjoying this thread, and I want to see where it goes, but now that the "enemy" has a shiny new label, what do you propose we do of it?

[edit on 2/1/06 by Conquistadork]



posted on Jan, 2 2006 @ 08:51 PM
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Originally posted by Conquistadork
Nazi/Fascist connections can be made world-wide. From American corporations funding the Nazis early in the war to the National Socialist Movement in modern America(Google the site, Im not risking a warning). The Middle Eastern connection to the Nazis is merely a branch of their far flung and deep rooted influence.

I think it's great that people are made aware of these connections, but using this logic, Chase, City Bank, J.P. Morgan, all American corporations that supported the Nazis and allowed them to spread this influence are the "Evil spawns of satan".

Where is this going? All I've seen accomplished so far is labeling the old threats with a new name. I'm really enjoying this thread, and I want to see where it goes, but now that the "enemy" has a shiny new label, what do you propose we do of it?

[edit on 2/1/06 by Conquistadork]



We spread the word, Demonizing your enemy is the path way conquest, the worse he looks the stronger the will and the more popular the cause to destroy his evil.

I think this thread has been successful in clearly demonstaring a direct link between Nazi Germany and some of todays Islamofascists AKA IslamoNazi organisations.

Your comparison with American corporations etc is valid, but slightly different in that they wernt actually hands on killers.

The same principle could be applied to the line of thought of our current enemys, All westerners in the eyes of the Islamonazis are the spawn of Satan for paying tax to there Western Governments that in turn pays for the war against Islamonazis - but i wonder what they call us ? Infidel isnt strong enough, i mean im looking for a t-shirt that says "Proud Infidel", youd think they could do better ?



posted on Jan, 2 2006 @ 09:10 PM
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We spread the word, Demonizing your enemy is the path way conquest, the worse he looks the stronger the will and the more popular the cause to destroy his evil.


I'll be honest with you, I hadn't thought of that. Very good point!


In no way am I a Nazi supporter/sympathizer but I have always been fascinated by their profound effect and influence on history even after their fall. The ME connection is just another sad result of this influence, but hopefully just as they were defeated then they will be defeated now.

Number, great job in bringing this to everyones attention, It's important that everyone knows the real roots of all of this trouble.

It still amazes me when people think a bumbling group of horribly trained stage puppets really managed to pull off something on the scale of 9/11. Even today, Operation Werwolf takes it's toll.


Werwolf -- German guerrilla fighters dedicated to harass Allied rear areas. Initially conceived as an adjunct to the Jagd-Kommando units and placed under the command of Otto Skorzeny, the idea was later appropriated by Joseph Goebbels to represent the general rising up of the German people to defend against foreign invasion. It was not widely effective or organized, and there were only a few known instances of involvement, mainly after the war ended and mostly in the Eastern regions. -Wikipedia



posted on Jan, 3 2006 @ 01:07 AM
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The word located in the title of this thread ("Islamofascists") is in itself a form of racial hatred. If I conjured up a thread with the intent of demeaning an ethnic group of people I hope I would get a warning for starting an inappropriate thread.

Think about if for one second. Change the word "Islamofascist" (Which is not even a word in itself if you look it up in the dictionary) to "Christianofascist" or "Buddistofascist" and people would think the thread is a joke.

My point is that this thread is only here to cause drama. And it has.

As stated earlier

Originally posted by CPYKOmega The bottom line is that no matter where you live, or who you are the principles and beliefs of Nazism are illegal, immoral, and outright despicable. Whether Christian, Islamic, etc.... The bottom line is that it is wrong!



posted on Jan, 3 2006 @ 01:18 AM
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You see that is where you are wrong CPYK. Nazism is a form of government. Just like Communism and Democracy, it is a methods of maintaining law and the safety of a nations people. It's fundamental differences are the way it governed it's people, and it's take on the economy of a nation.

It was Hitlers poisonous hatred that were evil. It was Goebbels poisonous propaganda that was evil. It was Himmlers twisted ideas that were evil.

My point is, it is the people that are evil, why people continually point and say "They're evil communists!" "They're evil Nazis!" "They're evil Christians!" "They're evil Muslims!" is beyond me. The establishments aren't evil, whether secular or religious, it is the people and how far they are willing to go to obtain power and dominance over their fellow man that is evil. National Socialism is just another form of government. National Socialism doesn't hate jews. National Socialism doesn't preach hate.

The people do.


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posted on Jan, 3 2006 @ 01:22 AM
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Fair enough Conquistadork. I agree with the things you have pointed out. Hopefully people will learn from their past and realise history is here to teach us a lesson about life. The term history repeats itself is very true.



posted on Jan, 3 2006 @ 01:28 AM
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We can only pray that people will open up their eyes and see the evil being done by their fellow brothers and sisters. No matter your religion, your creed, your political preference, one can't be so blind to see the evil being done my men.

Unfortuneately this is the case. We want so much to believe that everything is ok and that these things will carry us through hard times that we allow these maniacs with their promises of ever-lasting peace and prosperity to persuade us that the results outweigh the temporary evil being done. What we fail to recognize is that the temporary evil is hardly that - it is perpetuated, for once you give them a bite, they simply want more and more.

You appease the murderers and what do you get for it? You get to be their last victim.

Edit- I phail at spelling. At 3 in the morning




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posted on Jan, 3 2006 @ 01:30 AM
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Originally posted by CPYKOmega
The word located in the title of this thread ("Islamofascists") is in itself a form of racial hatred.


Two points. I don't remember being a follower of Islam automatically making you a member of a specific race. So in that regard this thread is not an example of racial hatred but rather someones take on a religion that may or may not be guilty of "facist" or "hate filled" behavior. The second is he has a right to state his opinion even if it creates drama because sometimes topics like this create heated emotions. It would be pardon the word but "facist" to slap him with a warning for posting some pictures that by themselves have no racist messages.


Originally posted by CPYKOmega The bottom line is that no matter where you live, or who you are the principles and beliefs of Nazism are illegal, immoral, and outright despicable. Whether Christian, Islamic, etc.... The bottom line is that it is wrong!


I agree with that one hundred percent.


Not attacking you but just trying to point out that he has rights to say what he wants within terms and conditions.



posted on Jan, 3 2006 @ 01:39 AM
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Originally posted by CPYKOmega
The word located in the title of this thread ("Islamofascists") is in itself a form of racial hatred. If I conjured up a thread with the intent of demeaning an ethnic group of people I hope I would get a warning for starting an inappropriate thread.

Think about if for one second. Change the word "Islamofascist" (Which is not even a word in itself if you look it up in the dictionary) to "Christianofascist" or "Buddistofascist" and people would think the thread is a joke.

My point is that this thread is only here to cause drama. And it has.

As stated earlier

Originally posted by CPYKOmega The bottom line is that no matter where you live, or who you are the principles and beliefs of Nazism are illegal, immoral, and outright despicable. Whether Christian, Islamic, etc.... The bottom line is that it is wrong!



Son if you want to null and void the word Islamofascist you could perhaps start changing this companys definition. en.wikipedia.org...

Then perhaps you can Lobby all the other legitimate commentators and Media bodies, once you have gained success with that mob come back and change us.

Peace be with you.



posted on Jan, 3 2006 @ 04:03 AM
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Originally posted by NumberCruncher

Son if you want to null and void the word Islamofascist you could perhaps start changing this companys definition. en.wikipedia.org...

Then perhaps you can Lobby all the other legitimate commentators and Media bodies, once you have gained success with that mob come back and change us.

Peace be with you.


Just wanted to point out that Wikipedia.org is not a dictionary. The word "Islamofascist" is not in the dictionary. Check for yourself at www.dictionary.com...

edit to add article:

Here is a well versed article from an external link in the wikipedia site you referred me to. It deserves a good read.

How “Islamo-fascism” is the pretext for Islamic discrimination

Respectively yours,

CPYKOmega

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posted on Jan, 3 2006 @ 04:21 AM
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Would you also like a few links on how " Islamo-fascism " is the pretext for the deaths of thousands of Innocent Men, Women and Children ?




posted on Jan, 3 2006 @ 04:32 AM
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Originally posted by NumberCruncher
Would you also like a few links on how " Islamo-fascism " is the pretext for the deaths of thousands of Innocent Men, Women and Children ?


I would like to point out that "Islamo-fascism" as you term the phrase. Is not the reason nearly 4000 Innocent Men, Women, and Children lost their lives. Terrorism is what caused this, my friend.

I would also like to give my many condolences to the tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis whom lost their lives also because of Terrorism.

Just because a term flies out of the presidents mouth that doesn't, necessarily, make it an official word.



exerpt from article at Iraniantruth.com

As we all know following 9/11 the Bush administration announced a “Global War on Terror.” Very recently, the war on terror changed to the “global struggle against violent extremism.



posted on Jan, 3 2006 @ 05:08 AM
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Why do things alway drag on ....

Personally i find the Dictionary the black and white of a language, i find the words that arnt in the Dictionary the colour of a language, if all you speak is dictionary talk, then thats fine but it wont take long for you to sound like a stuck record.

After Muslim Terrorist's have conducted atleast 3900 Seperate terror attacks killing 10s of thousands of innocent people since 9/11 in the name of Islam, i fail to see the reason, want or need to seperate the fact that they are Muslim and Terrorists, the fact that they are Muslim and Terrorists in integral to understanding them and defeating them, hence the birth of the Islamofascists AKA Islamonazi name description.

To my way of thinking " Muslim Terrorist " would sound more insulting to a honest muslim because of the stark link.

"Islamofascist" on the other hand makes a clear and distiguished difference, it sounds harsher, it sounds evil and it doesnt contain the word Muslim. And it not (yet) being a officially recognized word makes it even more acceptable to use.

Though as im sure you are aware this is my humble opinion, it is shared by many others, but it isnt yours and you disagree, so agreeing to disagree is something that contributes to us being free men, which is something the Islamofascists have yet to learn.

Peace.



posted on Jan, 3 2006 @ 06:05 AM
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One of the Fascist Mottos from the WW2 was,

Credere, Obbedire, Combattere ("Believe, Obey, Fight").

Let's check out some Charectiristics:

  • Very high degree of Nationalism

  • Economic Corporatism

  • Anti-liberalism

  • Anti-communism

  • A powerful, Leader who portrays the Nation, State or collective as Superior to the individuals or groups composing it

  • Obsession with National Security

  • Unrestrained government

  • Planned Economy with nominal private ownership of the means of Production

  • Permanent Economic manipulation via deficit spending

  • Militarism and Imperialism

  • Disdain for the importance of human rights

  • Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause

  • A controlled mass media

  • Power of corporations protected

  • Obsession with crime and punishment

  • Fraudulent elections

  • Rampant cronyism and corruption


Do you find any of these Characteristics of Fascism happening in YOUR Neighbourhood?

My Humble Opinion is, that the Author of this Post could not Spot Fascism, even if it was in his own Goverment - and, the crulest Irony is, that that statement is TRUE.

"More recently, historians have taken a second look at the actual structural parallels in these corporatist experiments. While it is now generally agreed that corporatism survived the demise of fascism, it can also be asked whether fascism survived its supposed death."

Now, lets check the word ISLAMOFASCISM.

What does it have in common with the Islamic Religion?

How many of the Points mentioned ABOVE does the ISLAMIC RELIGION have, so that you can Label it FASCIST?

The combinaton of these two wrods is an Oxymoron and a piece of Neo-Con Propaganda, designed to increase the Fear and the Hatred towards the people of the Middle East.

"It is hard to see the difference between the bigotry of anti-Semitism as an evil and the bigotry that [Michael] Medved displays toward Islam. It is more offensive than I can say for him to use the word "Islamo-fascist." Islam is a sacred term to 1.3 billion people in the world. It enshrines their highest ideals. To combine it with the word "fascist" in one phrase is a desecration and a form of hate speech. Are there Muslims who are fascists? Sure. But there is no Islamic fascism, since "Islam" has to do with the highest ideals of the religion. In the same way, there have been lots of Christian fascists, but to speak of Christo-Fascism is just offensive."

Futhermore, IslamoFascism is a Term, that is derived from one thing only: that is the divide between the Jews and the Arabs, which was created with the installation of the Isreai State in the Heart of the Middle East. So, that Hatred can be used to gain a certain Propaganda momentum, calling Muslims members of Fascists and Nazis - since they share this same "Hatred" towards the Jewish populaton. But ofcourse, IGNORING all the Basic Points of Fascism, named above, which are much more closer to its definition, then any hatred towards the Jewish population.

"Islamofascism is nothing but an empty propaganda term. And wartime propaganda is usually, if not always, crafted to produce hysteria, the destruction of any sense of proportion. Such words, undefined and unmeasured, are used by people more interested in making us lose our heads than in keeping their own."

IslamoFascism is a product of the War on Terror and designed for one purpose only: to INCRASE Islamo-Phobia and to increase Hatred towards Islamic Populaton, saying that they all are a bunch of Islamic Fascist Terrorist, who deserve to be Killed or "Liberated" by the so-called Civilized West, which ofcoruse, has NOTHING to do with Fascism whatsoever.

Thank You.



posted on Jan, 3 2006 @ 06:10 AM
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Again thanks Souljah, you have once again helped prove that the term needs to be modified from Islamofascist to IslamoNazi.

To hell with the IslamoNazi's!



posted on Jan, 3 2006 @ 06:18 AM
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Originally posted by NumberCruncher
Again thanks Souljah, you have once again helped prove that the term needs to be modified from Islamofascist to IslamoNazi.

To hell with the IslamoNazi's!

You still do not Understand.

To Combine these two words is an Error.

Sure there are Nazis and Fascist among Muslims, as well as there are several members among Catholics.

The only reason that this word is out, is to Insult the ENTIRE Muslim Community (once Again!) and to Label ALL of them Fascists or Nazi - when in fact they have nothing Incommon with either of those two terms.

Islamicism is a RELIGIOUS movement.

Fascism is a Nationalistic one.

Fascism is nationalistic and Islamicism is hostile to nationalism. Fundamentalism is a transnational movement that is appealing to believers of all nations and races across national boundaries. There is no idea of racial purity as in Nazism. Islamicists have very little idea of the state. It is a religious movement, while Fascism in Europe was a secular movement. So if it's not what we really think of as nationalism, and if it's not really like what we think of as Fascist, why use these terms?"

This entire Thread is a bi-Product of Severe Case of IslamoPhobia, which is spreading like the Bird flue Virus these days.



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