The Islamofascist's and the Nazi connection

Originally posted by seagull
A death threat, huh? I am feeling left out here

! It seems the argument has shifted in our favor, at least for the moment. Stand tall. You cannot stop a man who knows he is right.

Yes you most definatly know youre winning when you have your adversory backed so tightly into a corner that they need to resort to threats of violence, it that old piece of basic human nature " Fight or Flight ".

In a personal aside, do you live in britain as accused? I don't get that impression, but than I've accused of being a bigoted rascist, so what do I know.

Yes, the Nazis did have a connection to the middle east that many people are unaware of.

During WW II there were strong connections between the Muslim governments (as well as some of the Muslim people) and the Nazis. Muslim extremists were strong supporters of Hitler.


Panel in the Yad Vashem Museum (click to enlarge)


Arafats uncle, the "Grand Mufti of Jerusalem" Mohammad Amin al-Husayni sent in 1933 (that was when Hitler's rise to power in Germany) a telegram to Berlin addressed to the German Consul-General in the British Mandate of Palestine saying he looked forward to spreading their ideology in the Middle East.

Upon al-Husayni's arrival in Europe, he met the German Foreign Minister, Joachim von Ribbentrop on November 20, 1941 and was officially received by Adolf Hitler on November 28, 1941 in Berlin.


The "Grand Mufti of Jerusalem" then established close contacts with Bosnian and Albanian Muslim leaders and spent the remainder of the war conducting the following activities:

Radio propaganda on behalf of Nazi Germany

Espionage and the fifth column activities in Muslim regions of Europe and the Middle East

Assisting with the formation of Muslim Waffen SS units in the Balkans

The formation of schools and training centers for Muslim imams and mullahs who would accompany the Muslim SS and Wehrmacht units.




November 2, 1943 Himmlers telegram to Mufti:

"In the recognition of this enemy

(the world Jewry)

and of the common struggle

against it lies

the firm foundation

of the natural alliance that exists

between

the National Socialist Greater Germany

and the

freedom-loving Muslims of the whole world".





Heinrich Himmler, Head of SS, and close colleague of Amin Al-Husseini, financed and established Islamic Institute (‘Islamische Zentralinstitut’) in Dresden under the Mufti. The purpose was to create a generation of Islamic leaders that would continue to use Islam as a carrier for Nazi ideology into the 21st century.

Up from 1943, Amin al-Husayn was involved in the organization and formation of Bosnian Muslims into several divisions of the Waffen SS and other units, was made Prime Minister of Pan-Arab Government by Nazi regime


(Bosnian Muslim Flag Under Amin Al Husseini)

Bosnian ethnic cleansing under Amin al Husseini

Orthodox Christian Serbs: ~200,000 killed

Jewish Bosnians: ~ 22,000 killed

Gypsies: over 40,000 killed

Among the sabotage al-Husayni organized was an attempted chemical warfare assault on Tel Aviv. Five parachutists were sent with a toxin to dump into the water system. The police caught the infiltrators in a cave near Jericho, and according to Jericho district police commander Fayiz Bey Idrissi, "The laboratory report stated that each container held enough poison to kill 25,000 people, and there were at least ten containers."

In 1946 the mufti, escaping from house arrest near Paris, arrived in Egypt, where he lived until the early 1960s, when he moved again to Lebanon.

Originally posted by seagull
In a personal aside, do you live in britain as accused? I don't get that impression, but than I've accused of being a bigoted rascist, so what do I know.

No sir, i live in Australia, i wasnt Grown here i was flown here lol.

But i have infact lived in England before, pretty much travelled alot of the Earth, one continent left and thats Antarctica (one day i hope ).

And how about you ?

U.S. born and raised. Northwest U.S. to be more precise. I was born in West Germany while my father was making the world safe for US imperialism.
Now several aussies, and am pleased to say you seem to be alot like the ones I know. Pleased to meet you

Riwka, very good posting. This merely documents further the long connection between the two movements. Well done. Have you looked into the connections of escaped SS officers to Syria and Jordan shortly after the war? Or did I miss it in your post?

Riwka - That is a fantastic post, thanks for adding your findings!!

I would be really interested to find out what happened to the Nazi trained Mullahs and Imams after WW2 -

Where did they go, did they lead mosques and pass on there teaching's,did they enter politics ? and are there off spring to this day preaching the same Nazi inspired Islamofascism ! i think they quite surely are !! hell it could even be feasable that some are alive to this day :

Nice job !


Seagull - Nice to meet you to !

Italy, Japan and a few other countries were aligned with the Nazi's, but I guess they don't fit the agenda here.

The whole premise of the argument for a nazism presense in islamofascism is that common cause makes for strange alliances of the moment. I'm sure if Italy still had a nascent fascist movement it would be mentioned by the various intelligence agencie following the movement.
Quick question for you ICWAS. What political agenda is it that I seem to be pushing, aside from the one that an old enemy seems to be rearing it's bloodstained head again? Please elucidate.

If you can describe your enemy, it would be self explanatory.

The enemy has been thoroughly described throughout this page, but one more time just for you.
The enemy we speak of is Islamofascism with more than a little dash of nazism tossed in for flavor. The roots of this presence have been described by more than one person here. That is the enemy. Better?

Originally posted by IComeWithASword
Italy, Japan and a few other countries were aligned with the Nazi's, but I guess they don't fit the agenda here.

Italy and Japan as you said where -aligned- with the Nazi's.

This post demonstrates an Islamic group led by Grand Mufti Haj Muhammed Amin al-Husseini that where/are Nazi's.

Catching on now ?

I'd still like to know what agenda is being pushed here, aside from the obvious (at least to me). Oh well, I suppose I can look forward to being called some sort of bigot and/or rascist again.
Ooooh... I think I've got it. We are picking on the poor innocent islamofascist-nazis out there, and they don't like it? No accusations please, I name no names.

Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
Souljah, I have had about enough of your crap. That collection of crap pictures that prove nothing about either America or Israel is nothing but inflamatory.

Try that crap one more time and you will be post banned until I am no longer able to remember how you have been given more than enough rope with which to hang yourself since you have been here.

This warning is public, and therefore, nobody will be able to say you weren't fairly warned.

Do not respond, do not u2u, do not bother. Change, or be gone. I don't care.

With warmest regards,

TC

You *, Thomas Crowne. Are those the unbiased, non-partisan utterances of a good, level headed Moderator? No, they flasking ain't. Could I enquire of you where your warning, and snotty, pig-headed remarks where about this thread; Nazi’s and Arab Jihadist’s – Working together for world peace…"HEIL ALLAH!". Sorry, what's that you say; there isn't any warning, or any snotty crap posted there from overly bias moderators? I wonder why... but I'm sure you people will come up with a reason, you always do, and more often than not, it sucks absolute Cake. (If someone warned him then i apologise, but I don't see it)

Why is one-sidedness being encouraged by a few of the Moderators here? Had nobody ever even bothered to take into consideration that the pictures, opinions, and ideology posted in this thread and others by the opposing side of this argument maybe considered equally as offensive, inflammatory, and pointless? Is it now ok for members to generalise all Muslims and people of Middle Eastern decent as Nazi-esque Islamofascists? Because that is exactly what is brewing here.

*Sigh*

What's the use? Nobody *cares. Alright, MERC signing out (for good this time). Feel free to take pleasure in banning this account, and my old one, Crowne.

*profanity edit*

[edit on 2-1-2006 by dbates]

Just in case you are still here, merc. No where have I even remotely all of islam of being fascist, or even terrorists. I would have thought that it was understood that it was a minority, a dangerous and growing minority,. but a minority nonetheless.
Bye.

*Licks his finger and makes a line through the air*


Two down, 100 to go.

Not to disagree with you Cruncher, but this is alot more fun if there are people to argue with.
It was rather childish though wasn't it.

Originally posted by seagull
Not to disagree with you Cruncher, but this is alot more fun if there are people to argue with.
It was rather childish though wasn't it

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Was it ever ! Apologists you see, so wrapped up in there beleifs that they cant accept that people of there faith can be Dangerous Killers, every faith has dangerous Killers.

Like i mentioned before its one of the basics of Human nature, Fight or Flight, this turkey chose Flight.

oh well. Like you said more where he came from.
I'm not sure where they get the idea that we think all muslims are fascitic terrorists, I certainly do not. Though I could and do wish more moderate (yes there is such a creature, though he is very quiet and unassuming) muslims would come forward to decry these various attacks as they occur.

Islamofascist eh? Well, if we're making up words, then my word is Americanumpty.