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Great posts... you two sure know your missiles...I know this was brought up in another thread but i want to get your input CH on the AIM-54 Phoenix Missile...I know its really old but I always thought it was the US's best missile platform.. when they retired it along with the only airframe that carried it, i thought it was quite stupid. What are your thoughts?
Originally posted by ZPE StarPilot
the current project is the AMRAAM P3I, an upgraded AIM-120. Range estimated between 25-45 nm. Advances in other fields of weaponry (Air-to-air laser weaponry) will probably delay, or replace, development of longer range air-to-air missiles.
Still doesn't match the 100 nm of the AIM-54. Nothing air launched can do that. AIM-54s will be used through the 21st century, till they are gone. It is unique for Naval Fleet Defense. The US Navy is the only outfit that needs it.
It's original purpose was to intercept Bear bombers at a stand-off range that would preclude the launch of anti-ship cruise missiles, against the fleet. Using the F-14 and it's long range targeting capability.
Current public projects at China Lake
Check out the Nulka, anti-cruise missile radiation decoy. Interesting device.
Originally posted by planeman
More info on the AA-x-13 (Vympel R-37) missile.
It was designed to replace the AMOS and was fitted to some Mig 31 development aircraft but its production status seems to be in limbo –probably funding problems. There is speak of it being fitted to the Su-35+ aircraft now being ordered by Russia in lieu of the T-50 production (yet to even fly).
The R-37 is quoted as having a 280km range (175 miles –way further than Phoenix)
Novator remained tight-lipped about its long gestating K-172 400km range air-to-air missile, other than to note it was displayed prominently on a show-floor model of a Sukhoi Su-30 fighter-bomber. It has been reported previously that this program, which has suffered from lack of funding during the 1990s, had recently been revived. Reports link the program revival to India. Novator had designed this missile specifically to combat U.S. long-range surveillance and intelligence aircraft, such as the E-2 and E-3 AWACS systems.
Subject to critical decisions, in the long run the Meteor and Astra BVRAAM may complement the Russian ultra-long-range (400-km+) R-172 BVRAAM and R-73RDM2 or possibly Israeli Python 4/5 Near Beyond Visual Range/Within Visual Range (NBVR/WVR) AAMs in the IAFs formidable and fearsome AAM inventory.
Novator R-172 The R-172,previouslydesignated the KS-172, is adeparture from the establishedfocus of Novator, designers ofthe S-300V (SA-12) system'slong range SAMs. Like the R-37,the R-172 was developed as an'AWACS killer'. The missile employs an active radar seeker and inertial midcourseguidance.Two configurations are known, with and without a booster pack.With the boosterthe missile is claimed to achieve a range of 215 NMI, without 160 NMI. Cited seekerperformance is similar to the R-37.While the R-172 is less mature than the R-37, India hasrecently negotiated an arrangement to fund final development and licence produce theweapon, not unlike the extant deal to licence the Yakhont as the BrahMos
Originally posted by ch1466
In any case, THIS-
Is the 'future of dogfighting'. Because it hunts. I can literally launch a pack of them like wolves and they will fly upwards of 230nm downrange using linked seeker coverage to defeat all manner of RF and Optical LO. And once they find something, by definition of DACM as a subsonic art, they will be able to 'formate' in a fashion that allows for multiple passes rather than 1-shot 'hit or miss' expenditure.
Such that I can fly one up alongside the canopy and explode a handgrenade sized warhead right in the worthless gutsacks ear.
10 of these things might cost 5 million bucks. And if it takes all ten to keep hamstringing a single fighter from a look-break-look escape, it will STILL be literally 'worth every penny' in terms of munition stockpile economics to buy 40 to kill four such 60 million dollar 4th Gen pieces of crap over the homes of the defenseless.
Such being the stupidity of man that everyone 'oohs!' and 'aaaahs!' over these anachronistic platforms on airshow flightlines like they were (conceptually almost 100 years old) the latest Ferrari. Never realizing what a horrendous waste of their taxpayer money they are cheering on.
When you have to kill, do so with utter contempt of your enemy's existence. Overwhelmingly and with as little effort as possible. DO NOT 'duel him' like he deserved a fair fight. Not if you want to win. Not if you want to live. Not if your nation means more than your pride of place.
/That/ is effectively what all the uber-missiles on duncecap manned airframes really represent. And the U.S. is no better than anyone else in this balls-before-brains sportwar egotism.
Originally posted by Stealth Spy
Russia and India are said to be co-developing a 400km+ ranged R-172 Super BVRAAM. The project is surouded in secracy and it recieves vague mentions at airshows and in articles by analysts.
did you mean something else?
The MALI (Maniature Air-Launched Interceptor) was an armed derivative of MALD, for possible use against cruise missiles. MALI had a sharper nose profile, increased wing swep, and a more powerful (0.53 kN (120 lb) thrust) TJ-50M engine for short supersonic performance. An IIR (Imaging Infrared) seeker was used for terminal homing on the target, and mid-course guidance was via a command link to air surveillance platforms like the E-3 AWACS. The MALI has undergone a test and development program, which ended in December 2002, when the first supersonic flight was made.