Nazi UFOs

After doing a good deal of research on the terrestrial origins of anti-gravity vehicles and "flying saucers" there has always been a good deal of evidence pointing to the early develop[ment of such vehicles by the Germans in WWII.

Now, I am the first to admit that this particular site has some pictures that are obvious fakes... however, there are some that I am posting that correspond very well with known information regarding Nazi UFOs.







This one is very interesting as it corresponds to the description of the Hannebu saucer expeeriments by the Nazis, in the book Man Made Flying Saucers, 1944-1994, 50 Years of Supproession by David Hatcher Childress. It very clearly described the initial experimentations with these saucers with a 20mm cannon turret that was later deleted.




thebiggestsecretpict.online.fr...

A work drawing/plan of the first Haunebu model, built in 1939... It had a diameter of 25m. It flew thanks to what the Germans called a "Mag(netic) Field Impulser", as specified on the

Does this not sound similar to the Magneto Hydrodynamic propulsion system based on the Brown/Biefield effect?

A timeline of Nazi UFO development, including actions associated with operation highjump.


since 1936

Evaluation of the anti-gravity propulsion of a nearly 100% functional flying saucer going down in the "Schwarzwald" summer 1936

Alternative hypothesis: Self-developing this propulsion by experiments of German scientists basing on Viktor Schauberger�s anti-gravity experiments.


since 1938
first unmanned flights with the new (re-)build propulsion. A very special section of the "Reichsluftfahrtbehörde" gets the project under its control with the aim to build up anti-gravital fighters and troop carriers. The project's name is "HANEBBU"(some sources also call it the "VRIL "project). The prototypes are numbered in ascending order. The project has many setbacks in the first years due to the massive electro-magnetic disturbances and their interaction with conventional electric components. Although the propulsion can be handed and used principally, it seems to be nearly impossible to "drive or fly" these prototypes in sharper angels than 90�, thus not usable as fighters. Additionally normal navigation systems referring somehow to magnetic fields were completely useless and a special, magnetic independent navigation instrumentation designed, the celestial guidance system: "Meisterkompass" and "Peiltochterkompass"


ab 1940
Further secret German expeditions to "NEUSCHWABENLAND". As landing points, there could have been used two of the three marked landing bays north-west of the "M�HLIG-HOFFMAN MOUNTAINS" close to 3� W and 70� S. Those were already documented as landing bays by Ritscher.


from 1942/43 on
Starting the assemblage of the Antarctic base 211. Simultaneously a second secret base is build up on a high plateau in the Southamerican Anden. (Argentinia ?)


1942-1945
Necessary items for the errection of the bases are continuously transported on submarines.

Note: German submarine commanders are highly experienced in the arctic waters due to the need of delivery of material and people to Germany's northern arctic bases and civilian research stations. In fact at least 20 well documented operations have taken place along the arctic until 1945 by means of these submarines. Some of these operations, especially the later ones, had to be carried out under extreme conditions and with the permanent threat of contact with the enemy. Besides, on their way to the south pole, researchers discovered somewhat like a straight deep submarine trench fitting pretty well for the necessary transportations.



Summer 1944
The "HANNEBU" series has left the stadium of prototypes and brought up to 19-25 ships in 2 (or even 3) sizes. "HANEBU I" is a small vessel, "HANNEBU II" a more sophiscated, larger one. Some reports even hint at "HANNEBU III", which was designed as a mother ship. If this third type has become reality, there existed only one single ship. So, the overall transport capacities are still very limited, due to a quite small diameter of the disks. Additionally production of ships gets more and more difficult, because the Allied manage to cut of Germany's raw materials more and more. Yet "HANNEBUs" manage to disturb some allied bomber raids over Germany.

Note. Every allied bomber pilot in the recent years of the war knows the mysterious threat of the so called "foe-fighters" appearing and vanishing with incredible speed and causing bright-orange light phenomenon's and paroxysmale instrumentation failures on all electric and magnetic parts of the bombers. In no source a direct attack by these "foe-fighters" is mentioned, they seem to play a completely defensive role on the late air war over Germany. Although the overall effect is minimal and has no more influence on the proceed of the war.



Winter 1944/45
The enormous pressure of the Allied forces the Germans to give up the big secret underground facilities in Eastern Germany. They Allied themselves seem to be pretty well informed on these facilities and overall eager to capture them. There Germans flee and leave back much material of the HANNEBU project. The attempt to rebuild the construction zones in the mid of Germany failes. The war is nearly over.

Notes/Quotations
"... I have seen enough of their designs and production plans to realize that if they (the Germans) had managed to prolong the war some months longer, we would have been confronted with a set of entirely new and deadly developments in air warfare"
(Sir Roy Feddon, chief of the technical mission to Germany for the Ministry for Aircraft Production in 1945)


"When WWII ended, the Germans had several radical types of aircraft and guided missiles under development. The majority were in the most preliminary stages, but they were the only known craft that could even approach the performance of objects reported to UFO observers..."
(Captain Edward J. Ruppelt Chief of the US Air Force Project "Bluebook" on 1956)
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late in April 1945
A last convoy of submarine vessels leaves German Harbors with direction Antarctica and Anden. It is the overall successful attempt to escape the Allied�s clutches. Among this last convoy there are the U 530 (Captain Otte Wehrmut) and the U977m (Captain Heinz Schäffer).

Note:
The last visual contact with U977 was on April 26th at Christiansund. Schäffer�s crew did not reveal anything about the submarine's destination or load. The vessel vanishes now for nearly 4 months, before the crew delivers a completely empty vessel to Argentinean Officials.


April/May 1945
In the same way, leading NS-Officials and technical are evacuated from Berlin/Potsdam with the HANEBU fleet heading to the meanwhile completed (?) base 211. The overall transport capacities are quite limited.


Mai 1945
The submarine convoy achieves in the southern Atlantic Sea a sea victory over an Allied unit trying to stop it. This event is under wraps until today.


8.Mai 1945
Germany's capitulation


17.August 1945 (!)
Some submarine crews who are not willing to live in the base or who perhaps can't be admitted to the base travel to Argentine and hand over their completely empty submarines.

Note:
Among those are at documented cases of U530 and U977. High US Navy officials immediately traveled down to Argentine and started severe interrogations on the crew. Scgäffer repeatedly denied to have brought anyone one or anything to anywhere. Although most of the crew are unwilling to tell what really happened, it is possible that these interrogations deliver important information about the location of the base . Yet for us, it remains very mysterious what the crew really did after the official capitulation on Mai 1945, for they confessed to have heard it soon on their own radio. When Schäffer came free, he immediately traveled back to Argentine to stay there with some fellows for the rest of his life.



Note:
Until today more than 100 submarines of the German fleet are missing. Among those are many of the highly technological XXII class equipped with the so-called " Walterschnorchel" a special designed and coated schnorkel enabling submarines in combination with their new developed engines to dive for many thousand miles. A "trip" to the base without recognition becomes pretty possible with this technology.



January 1947
The US Navy tries to destroy the German base which did not surrender at the end of war. The operation is a disaster. The base remains functional, at least is parts.




Note:
More than one year after the surrending of U977 the US NAVY launches the biggest military operation in the Antarctic ice under the command of Admiral Richard E. Byrd. This is the operation "HIGHJUMP", including 13 ships, 1 aircraft carrier, 2 seaplane tenders, 6 two-engined R4D transports and 4000 men stuff. The only official statement on the purpose of such a task force is the need for testing "new material under the extreme Antarctic conditions." The force starts up at the established US bases in the "ROSS SEA", then it moves up the western Antarctic coast heading toward the Northern Antarctic coast, "NEUSCHWABENLAND" and builing up a bridgehead on January 27th 1947 somewhere west of it. Officially the expedition is a big success because it delivers many new facts of the use of military equipment under extreme conditions.

Questions:

What is the need of such a big task force in this area ?


IF the expedition was such a success, WHY did Byrd already return to the US in February 1947 ? The operation was planned and equipped for a full 6-8 month duration.


Did this expedition carry atomic warheads as some sources say ?




later than 1945 (?)
Byrd�s diary and flight log:

On another expeditional flight, a copy of Byrd�s flight diary reveals that Byrd and his radio operator flying C-47 exploratory craft was seized down softly by two flying saucers. Byrd lost control of the plane and its instruments and flight controls, the prop-driven C-47 went down very much like a helicopter. As the plane landed this way, two tall men, both blond and Germanic looking escorted him and his radio operator to an underground facility, where he was assigned with giving the following message to the "surface governments": Stop exploding nuclear weapons for you will most assuredly experience difficult times ahead. That was all, Byrd and his companion were escorted back to their plane. The strange race said something very similar to "Auf Wiedersehen"( German, "Good by") when they went, calling their own discs "FLUGERODS" (unknown in German expression)

Note:

Byrd flew 1947 at least one time in a right-twisted circle across the whole territory "NEUSCHWABENLAND" haeding from southwest over the "RITSCHER HOCHLAND" and the eastern areas to the Pole.

If you have ANY available information on BYRD�S Antarctic (4 at all), please mail me immediatley. Thanks !


February 1947
On his return to the US, Byrd reveals in a (often quoted but nowhere validated) Interview with a reporter that it was "necessary for the USA to take defensive actions against enemy air fighters which come from the polar regions" and that in case of a new war, the USA would be attacked by fighters that are able to fly from one pole to the next with incredible speed".

Byrd has to face a secret cross examination by US authorities. The US withdraws from the Antarctic for almost a decade.



since 1953
World wide mass sightings of UFOs. In the late 70�s it becomes more and more obvious that many of these sightings are identical in some technical details with the "HANEBU" series. This can be stated especially for the so called "ADAMSKY" UFOs in the early fifties. Which somehow look very terrestrial, nearly in "fashion style" of this decade and somehow very different from the rest of flat-bottomed crafts.


1957
The International Antarctic year with large civilian research projects starts. The result is the Antarctic treaty in which all participants agree to avoid any military operations this region in future times. This treaty ends somwhere in the year 2000.




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What a great post! Gotta check this out.

NAZI ANTARCTIC UFO

I'm posting here cause this came up in a search for Haunebu.
Perhaps they were in Roswell and Antarcica.
I'm doing my post of the day here as well:

The begining according to author Lyne in 'Pentagon Aliens":


From the moment that the electro-propulsive saucer's full potential became evident in the
early 1930s, forward to the present, rocket projects have been a cover for the "real thing", and
ironically, this sham was first actualized in 1937, at Los Alamos, New Mexico, based on stolen
Tesla technology, under the tutelage of Wernher von Braun. Hitler had appointed the Prussian
Illuminist as "Herr Doktor Professor of Research" and project leader to run his Vergeltungswaffen
("revenge weapon") center at Peenemunde, before his collaboration with the American rocket
pioneer, Dr. Robert Goddard, at his laboratory in Mescalero, New Mexico, and rocket test site at
Eden Valley, New Mexico.1 Afterward, von Braun would never allow the high priority ("p2",
"KT-p2") 'space travel' project to be too far away from his watchful eye. While collaborating with
Goddard at Mescalero, von Braun ran the Illuminati flying saucer project at Los Alamos called
"p2", between 1936 and 1938!2 He was given a leave of absence by Hitler for this espionage, and
was brought to America by the Smithsonian Institution, the Guggenheim Foundation, and the
American Rocket Society, who financed his work and paid for his trip!


So American investments started it off, developed till the end of WWII,
some went to Roswell NM and others to Antartica (see Operation High Jump
on the web) some are now triangles in UK and Europe.

Note disc of lightning at craft bottom where Tesla flat coil is located.
If you see tube type you will see beam of light at front and back both
downward and upward directed, perpendicular to motion of flight
and perpendicular to radial magnetic field of the pancake coil.

Well see videos at google and youtube.

Still looking for a rare Haunebu picture.


[edit on 6/11/2006 by TeslaandLyne]

There's another thread about Adamski that I haven't read through yet - I've been thinking about the ships he photographed and how similar they are to the Vril and Hanuebu crafts.

It seems to be about God, all this subject. I see that in Dali's painting The Enigma of Hitler there is both an umbrella and a telephone in reference to first Chamberlain then the umbrella at the JFK motorcade in '63 and the phone because Tesla worked at the phone company.

The 'Philadelphia Experiment' is connected to how the WW2 situation took a turn for the worse, a lot has happened to patch that up but this 'timeline' is nowhere near how things ought to be at all. Tibet was connected to the Nazis too, and I think that what got it's hands on the technology was able to get into Tibet and ruin all that was still rooted in this world extant there.

I've read a lot of books that are very much jigsaw pieces to the puzzle of how this world could go so very wrong in so many ways, and all are important, one of the most important is not widely availible however, it had a very limited print run and sells for a lot of money (for a book) these days - it is Selections From The Exegesis and contains some of the 'journal' type writings of Philip K. Dick.

Getting back to Tesla for a minute - a few echos of interest : there is the horse figure associated with some of the Montauk-PX sources. Tesla is often mentioned in relation to that, and he had an older brother that died in some incident that involved being thrown from a horse. I think the point there might be moreso that his brother was considered to be the bright spark of the family - so what might he have been like given what Tesla achieved patent-wise alone. This crops up again in the Kennedy family - JFK also had an older brother that died in a vaguely recounted bombing incident over London in WW2, again - what would he have been like, given the noise the other brothers brought to politics in the USA. I heard that he was originally maybe going to be running for President. I mention these things because if you take a spiritual angle on this then you'll notice that a lot of authors mention something called 'missing energy' in this 'timeline' - this motif was part of the story in a recent TV series that mentioned a lot on this same subject, in relation to the Bermuda Triangle ( The Triangle ) - Sam Neils character even had a missing brother whom he was aware of and trying to locate.

re: the mention of p2 and Goddard in that extract -

Goddard, as in the film director, has made a lot of movies that very much echo all these same subjects - especially films such as Alphaville (all the superheros have been supressed and society is run by mad science and mind-control), he made the one about the Stones recording Sympathy for the Devil that seemed prophetic in regard to how the 60s are thought to have ended with that Hells Angels / stabbing incident at the concert (in terms of some of the footage used), I've even seen essays attributed to him that contain what appear to be outright references to the Star Wars films - except they weren't even scripted at that point.

P2, again not the one the extract-quote refers to but the masonic lodge, has a bad rap.......but what were they really up to? Why would an organisation(s) with all kinds of links to dodgy stuff feel the need to be so vocally opposed to one of it's lodges? When it wasn't even apparently an official lodge (whoever decides that) to begin with? Were they a bunch of Robin Hoods moving money out of the Vatican? What were those lists of names all about.

(c) D.Winship 2008

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[edit on 29-3-2008 by VitalOverdose]

There is not much from the Nazi era one can be sure of as a UFO
except the Foo. Written up in newspapers and suppressed among the
Air Force. An they might only be as big as a Volkswagen Bug.
Or at least reminiscent of the VW Bug in shape.

Parts of a guidance system may have been found by Patton
and one part thought to be from 1943 was found in Los Alamos
scrap. However, something bigger may have been in the air.
Von Braun is thought to have levitated a submarine.
A submarine being though of as operable as an airship if
not space ship.

Von Braun is thought to be head man on saucer secrets as well
as bringing back a rocket engine improvement devised by Peter
van Dresser of the New Mexico Rocket Society. Dr Goddard was
the Illuminati head of the Rocket Society at the time. Peter started
the society and left when the army took over operations. Willy
Ley was the representation from Germany for the Guggenheim
Foundation funded Rocket Society. Ley defected and replaced by
Von Braun who was sent through a PhD to Officer position to make
sure he came back to Germany. Von Braun was Ley's replacement.
The p2 project refers to the two potentials (voltages) needed for
UFO flight. Forces equal p#1 squared times gradient of p#2 as a
quick way to understand how the UFO works.

In 1945 the free energy scientists ended up in New Mexico.
So thats it for Nazi UFOs.

The 1953 UFOs over DC must have been developed from 1945.
In 1955 it is suspected that Allied nations resigned to keep the
saucer a secret.

The Tesla Free Energy UFO Conspiracy takes Tesla as one of many
who knew the secrets of the UFO and had tried to patent the machine
in Switzerland. He then patented the parts in America after meeting
opposition in Europe. The coil in my avatar is one device.

Tesla and John Jacob Astor had the 'dirigible torpedo' project in
Oregon until the Titanic disaster in 1912. In 1914 Tesla sold plans
to the German Navy represented by Von Tirpitz. Perhaps meeting
Tesla in Los Alamos Technical Area 33 (TA-33) in 1936-37, Von
Braun had more saucer plans from the "p2" project. From 1914 on
Tesla made little public patenting to be bought and nothing done.
Tesla made great claims as others did but everyone knew Tesla
was holding back great things. Getting daily newspapers from Germany
Tesla was aware of where his designs were progressing. Perhaps
telling his accountant he would claim design origin for the Foo as he
did with the radio, the Illuminati needed to take any remaining
documents. Their nefarious effort may have precipitated Tesla's
death and the FBI locked up all effects.

Perhaps in 1945 Von Braun took the documents to Los Alamos where
he first worked on Tesla designs in America.

As far as I can tell, thats the Nazi UFO history from the Tesla angle.

See Also
UFO: Antigravity or Coandă Effect man made saucers or aircrafts?
www.abovetopsecret.com...

See also...

btw - another similar thread is active as well..
This Thread!


Good times....




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[edit on 10/16/2008 by chapter29]

I am doing a project for my writing class where we must look into conspiracy theories, all of the above information is very helpful, but useless without source information. Can anyone who has previously posted verify their claims with sources? Thanks for the help!

Can someone explain to me that this footage is debunkend... can't find it on here
www.youtube.com...

greetz

Curious, I remember a small segment on an old UFO show, where they showed some American researchers in the early 50's testing out a large model submarine about the size of a motorcycle. This submarine had no propeller. It was all electric and used electrical fields to move itself about in the water. It could move in any direction and could go sideways.

I wonder if this was captured Nazi tech. And I wonder if this was the original test bed for the flying saucer. If the Hannebu used water to make itself hover, maybe the effect was discovered using this all electric submarine that had no moving parts.

Somebody mention Nazi UFOs?

Iron Sky (full movie, HD)

reply to post by dragonrider


I have never heard of anyone promoting the theory that these designs and "secret programs" were in actually propaganda to intimidate the Allies; meanwhile, ongoing and legitimate programs such as the Horten wings, or the Uranverein weapons research could continue unabated.

I don't know of any original source material for the rumors surrounding the German-origin of UFOs...

As much as I would like to see this as the answer to the UFO enigma, there is no smoking gun.

That's not to say it isn't one of the most practical explanations for the phenomenon...

Yes it is true!! nazis have been building it in the world war.