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reply posted on 29-12-2005 @ 08:37 AM by SkepticOverlord
Originally posted by twitchy
Hey guys, regardless of the very debatable functions of cookies, the fact remains that a Government Funded Agency, with the enigma we call the NSA has placed software, of any kind on your computer without your knowledge, disclosure of, consent,

Cookies are not software and the privacy policy of their site idicated cookies would be used.


Originally posted by twitchy
Cookies, while mostly harmless, can be scripted to relay information, they can redirect browsers, install software, run java scripts or any number of things.

Cookies cannot be scripted to do that at all. You're wrong or you've been misled by alarmist crap from unscrupulous "security" software firms.


Originally posted by twitchy
ATS also installs an Alexia related DOS application, and runs several third party scripts,

No we don't, this is a complete irresponsible lie.


Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas
We need to stop letting them take things away, in the name of "National security". It's a sad sad World where everything can be taken away from us, by our Government, that we voted into office in the first place.

It's just harmless cookies people!

Nothing is being "taken away".


If you haven't noticed by now... I take exceptionally serious issue with the massive amount of misinformation being distributed (and believed by some ATS members) about cookies, what they are, and what they can do. Nearly every anti-virus, anti-malware, and security software firm out there plays to people's paranoia and limited computer knowledge.

ATS members would be up-in-arms over any other corporation spreading disinformation about important topics... but apparently not in this case.

twitchy, I also take significant offense to your remark that we're involved with "denial of service" attacks and other "third party scripts". We have not and will not ever go there... and have taken proactive steps to prevent it. You're a regular disruptive element here, and in my mind, this lie about us is the most offensive yet.


reply posted on 29-12-2005 @ 09:52 AM by djohnsto77
Originally posted by Odium
Last I checked, Cookies are able to send information back on a routine basis - including where a user goes, if that are scripted correctly? [DoubleClick]


I believe this is possible, but only on sites that have DoubleClick ads...if the NSA wanted to something similar, they'd have to have some type of ad or pixel bug etc. on every site they wanted to track.


Now last I checked, all internet files go through the U.S. at the moment, and last I checked this wasn't a private agency but a Government agency. Now surely, if these were coded correctly, they could make a constant report?


Not all Internet traffic goes through the U.S., I think you are confusing this with the U.S.'s continued ultimate control of Intenet root name servers.


I spent most of this morning looking over the Privacy Policy, as well as the link SkepticOverlord sent me, checking each one of the laws mentioned and so on and so fourth and the burning questions is:
Why remove them if they were fully legal?

If the Policy covered them, no laws were broken, I find it rather odd the N.S.A. who tend not to give a damn about Public Relations, would honestly remove them - however, if they were doing something against the law remove them and never mention it again - which is what they did...

Coupled with the fact, a BURST Media report showed less than 40% of people remove cookies a trend like this could be overly harmful.



I'm sure the people who run the NSA website really have nothing to do with the agency's real mission...they more or less are a PR/advertising arm of it. It's not like some people who spend their days decrypting military-strength encrypted messages and eavesdropping on satellite communications take off a few days each month to code some HTML. Comparing their intelligence operations and what they do with their public website is really laughable I think.


reply posted on 29-12-2005 @ 10:41 AM by ZeddicusZulZorander
For everyone with the "cookie fear" then I suggest some reading...

How Internet Cookies Work


Cookies are programs that Web sites put on your hard disk. They sit on your computer gathering information about you and everything you do on the Internet, and whenever the Web site wants to it can download all of the information the cookie has collected. [wrong]

Definitions like that are fairly common in the press. The problem is, none of that information is correct. Cookies are not programs, and they cannot run like programs do. Therefore, they cannot gather any information on their own. Nor can they collect any personal information about you from your machine.


Also another decent explaination site:
How to Understand Cookies

By actually know how cookies work, it becomes clear that they cannot do all the silly things they are reputed to do and certainly can't even come close to enacting some kind of DOS attack. That is one of the silliest notions put forth. It's like saying my cellphone could shutdown a city power grid. Ridiculous.


reply posted on 29-12-2005 @ 10:54 AM by ZeddicusZulZorander
Originally posted by twitchy
ATS also installs an Alexia related DOS application, and runs several third party scripts, and this is just a discussion board, not the NSA.
politics.abovetopsecret.com...


Oh, and since you seem to be more toward accusations and less on the actual research side...here's some info which is from www.iMilly.com... (I put a bigger quote here than normal since some might be afraid to go there.)


Is Alexa spyware?

Well, no ... probably not. At least not if you haven't deliberately installed some of their software.

But Lavasoft's Ad-Aware identifies a standard registry key included with Internet Explorer as "Data Miner" spyware, with little or no further explanation, and offers to delete it. I hope this page offers a better explanation, and other alternatives to deletion. Spybot identifies it too, with more explanation, and they have a smarter strategy to deal with it (more below).

The issue is the 'Related Links' feature of IE (pre-XP SP2) which appears as the 'Tools'/'Show Related Links' menu item (and a corresponding toolbar button if you added it from the 'Customize...' link on the toolbar). If you use that feature, IE will contact the Alexa servers, via MSN, to obtain information about other web pages which seem to be related, open an Explorer Bar, and display those (plus adverts and whatnot). Go check the Alexa web site to see if you think that is a good idea (and, just to be clear, I think it's a very sucky idea), or just to double-check that you haven't deliberately or unintentionally or absent-mindedly installed some of their software.

And due to a bug in IE (versions prior to IE6 on XP SP2), you might even transmit (potentially sensitive) URL information if you reload pages long after you close the Explorer Bar, about (even secure HTTPS/SSL) pages for which you didn't request Related Links. More details at Note 4.

But if you don't use that menu or button, Alexa will not hear from you and no spying will take place.

Just to be clear, this feature is 'spyware', if you use it. If you do so, you will be sending information to MSN and Alexa obtained by spying, because there is nowhere that Microsoft adequately discloses and documents that privacy 'leak'. Sure, Alexa have some information on it, and a pretty clear privacy policy, but you don't get to know of Alexa's involvement until after you use the feature, and even then you have to hunt for it, and even then no mention is made of MSN's interstitial involvement. Don't blame Alexa though - it's Microsoft's responsibility to provide their users with complete and truthful disclosure - and they haven't.

But if you don't use it, it won't be spying on you behind your back, and you may sleep soundly. Here are some options :-

- You can let Ad-Aware delete it, with no harm done (though if you later repair, or patch or upgrade IE, it may get re-established).

- You can ignore the alert and leave it be, with no harm done.

- You can fiddle with it so that it just doesn't work (so that even if you, or someone else using your PC, accidentally tries it, it won't contact Alexa).

- Or you can fiddle with it so that it uses Google to find related links, instead of Alexa. See the instructions and security warning below



Yes, it's true. Alexia is the run-of-the-mill spyware which I am sure didn't come from ATS. How do I know? I am a web person. It's my job and in addition to being paranoid, I have been on ATS for 2 years at least 8 hours every freaking day (average) using Explorer, Firefox and recently Safari. The ONLY spyware I have ever had to fight is from sites like Disney and such which my kids get.

In fact, my laptop has never had any spyware at all.

So next time, before you accuse try doing some research. I guess in this matter I could only say....you're so far behind that you THINK you're in first place.

[edit on 29-12-2005 by ZeddicusZulZorander]
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