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Still believe the Pyramid All Seeing Eye isn't a Masonic Emblem?

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posted on Dec, 24 2005 @ 11:24 PM

The All Seeing Eye Pyramid is ultimately the main logo of the Illuminati.
It has become painfully clear that the Illuminati is in fact in command of Freemasonry.

Freemasonry is just one of many many many secret societies. You are opening up a pandoras box when it comes to the subject of all the various secret societies.

The masons believe the road to happiness is through love and charity. The Illuminati does not. And neither to the other Brotherhoods within the Illuminati.

The Illuminati ascribes no values to love charity and happiness. They get their jollies through the pain and suffering of others. They are seriously twisted. They view the whole world as their own personal chess board and they hold no allegiance to the people that ultimatey define their empire.


The quicker everyone realizes this the quicker everyone Sees the Light.

Again. I have a 33rd Degree Iniation Paper right in front of me and above the banners that say

"Universi Terrarum Orbis Architectonis Ad Gloriam Ingentis "

there lies a cleverly placed all seeing eye. There are a few pyramids scattered around. Below the banners is an upside down Pyramid with 33 in the middle and not quite a thousand points of light but close ehough.

Then below the upside down pyramid is a double headed Pheonix with a sword, banners and flags that that display some kind of Royal Family Crests. And Wearing a big Royal Family Crown over the top of the two heads. On top of the Crown is the Cross then under a circle with the same Iron Cross that the KKK display as one of their main logos.

On the banners it says.

"Deus Meumoue Jus"

Then the infamous "Ordo Ab Chao"

At the bottom there are signatures of three Illuminists.

Sov. G.R Commander
Sec. Gen. H.E.
Treas. Gen. H.E

Beside these names is the Pyramid right side up with 33rd in the middle and the Illumination emerging from the pyramid.

I'm not putting down names. The descriptions of the iniation papers are clear enough that I'm not making any of this up.

Funny. At the time of 9/11 my grandfather was still among the living. he presides in the grand lodge above at this moment. But on one occasion when we were talking about 9/11 all he said was Ordo Ab Chao.

It took a few years for me to understand because things were over my head for the longest time.

Although even when I was very young I was incredibly facisnated with History. I always had a funny feeling though that something wasn't quite right. Even when I was about 9. I just had a funny feeling. Something I couldn't explain until today.

[edit on 24-12-2005 by Huabamambo]

[edit on 24-12-2005 by Huabamambo]

posted on Dec, 24 2005 @ 11:41 PM
Again. The site is down because of the influx of visitors.

posted on Dec, 25 2005 @ 01:41 AM
Seems like the writer of the material on the website expects you to have your belief factor rubberbands wound reeeeaaallll tight. I kind of wonder at statements that come out of the blue with no real backing....

Beside that... aT the risk of falling pray to various powers at work here... This is pretty much a hackneyed discussion, one of which, has been done here at least once before, and with that same link...

posted on Dec, 25 2005 @ 02:48 AM
There's nothing new about this, just new faces pulling the strings of the puppets in Office.

The question I put before each & every one of you who read this thread & My post to it, is what are you going to do to fight the New World Order?

posted on Dec, 25 2005 @ 02:49 AM
There's no denying that the Illuminati international terrorist/banking organization exists.

There is no denying that 9/11 was an inside job anymore. We the people have been fooled so many times that we have finially realized what is going on. History has taught us that much.

Even the Moderators here should be convinced. Unless they don't read alot of what is being said here. Or they themselves are involved with the Illuminati. Which I'm sure at least some of them are.

It has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt that these people are real, that they exist and that they are behind 9/11 and the push for a 1984 style Nazi Police State.

For those that still don't believe you are either;

A) In Denial and struggling to accept what is now self evident.
B) Taking an active role in the disinformation campaign

If your answer is the latter I think I speak for everyone here when I say leave this board and never come back. If you are involved in the Illuminati at this point it is too late for you. Once they have you they will never let you escape.

The Illuminati are nothing more then a virus among the human race. The bad blood. There is no denying it anymore.

The Illuminati's days are rapidly approaching an end. If any of you masons here if you are willing participates to the Illuminati you know that your time is almost up. And when the hour falls your going to have to stand before God himself. Whoever he or she may be.

Now I know that God loves his children but I'm sure there are some things even God cannot forgive.

If you are reading this and you involved with these Illuminati idiots then you my friend are going to be in serious trouble. Your soul will never manifest in a human body again. You can count on it. You will never know what it's like to love and be loved. You will not know what it is like to experience happiness and joy. It was your active and conscience decision to join the Illuminati.

Whatever vessels you will possess after the hour falls you can bet it will involve millenia of sufferring one million times worse then the pain and hardship you have already caused and God forbid will cause in the near future. (Although clearly someone has power over you otherwise you would have had your New World Order ages ago. The truth is you have known all along that your rule over this planet was never meant to be.

We the people stand hand in hand and shoulder to shoulder in the struggle for true freedom. We realize we have never known true freedom and we realize that you cannot stop us from achieving it. I'm sorry

Illuminati but your game is over. You have failed and you will watch your empire around you collapse. You will wait in all your cowardice like rats to slaughter.

Quite ironic isn't it. You are the real cowards here. Even real terrorists (if there is such a thing) are braver then you. Yet you call them cowards. People who are willing to end their lives without fear. I don't know about you but I could never go on a plane with a box cutter and kill in cold blood. (Unless its yours of course) and then fly into a building.

We know though that 9/11 didn't happen like that.

We know that those planes were remote controlled copies. We know about the NORTHWOODS Document. We know you were prepared to execute 9/11 in the 60's to start a war with Cuba.

You do not even have the ability to fight your own wars. You cannot fight your own battles. You probably don't even know how to use a gun. Your children will not fight for you and someday soon the nation will not fight for you.

I feel no sympathy for anyone here who actually is involved in the Illuminati. I know you are here and I know your reading this. There is a reason why I keep citing a 33rd degree document. Somehow my family managed to fall through the cracks. Thankfully. Otherwise I would be a staunch supporter of the NWO.

There is an active disinformation campaign within Freemasonry. However there is no point anymore.The word is out. Your crown of deceit is nothing more then thorns on your own head. Your time is over. Your nothing but two bit outlaws. It's over.

I used to be scared. I used to be full of fear. After so long, and coming so close to ending my own life on a few occasions I discovered that death is nothing to fear. When you no longer fear death pain becomes yet another simple emotion. Pain and Fear no longer paralyzes those who realize the truth about death. The truth about our past lives.

* See Munich. Very great film with a very great message. You cannot fight terrorism with terrorism.

We the people have watched and stood idly by while one by one you took away our heroes. And everytime you killed our heroes you killed apart of yourselves. People like the Kennedy Brothers, John Lennon, Che Guevara. Our heroes. You fail to realize that for everyone person you killed there will be millions more to replace them. And everytime you kill, everytime you express your power you destroy a bit of yourself.

The experiment has grown beyond your control. You people are truly weak because you have failed.

I raise my glass to you Illuminati because you have created such a hard fall for yourselves. I salivate for the time when it is your turn to suffer. To live paralyzed in pain and fear.

Give it up. We humans are not as stupid as you think.

* * * * * * * * ** * * * * * * * * ** *

1798 - George Washington acknowledges that Illuminati activity has come to America: "It is not my intention to doubt that the doctrine of the Illuminati and the principles of Jacobinism had not spread in the United States. On the contrary, no one is more satisfied of this fact than I am."

In 1801, Issac Long, a Jew, brought a statue of Baphomet (Satan) to Charleston, South Carolina, where he helped to establish the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite. Long apparently chose Charleston because it was geographically located on the 33rd parallel of latitude (incidentally, so is Baghdad), and this council is considered to be the Mother Supreme Council of all Masonic Lodges of the World.

"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world. No longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men." 1916 - President Woodrow Wilson

"Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the U.S., in the field of commerce and manufacturing, are afraid of somebody, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it." 1913 -

President Woodrow Wilson

"From the days of Spartacus-Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, to those of Trotsky, Bela Kun, Rosa Luxembourg, and Emma Goldman, this world wide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilization and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence and impossible equality, has been steadily growing. It played a definitely recognizable role in the tragedy of the French Revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the nineteenth century, and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads, and have become practically the undisputed masters of that enormous empire."

1920 - Britain's Winston Churchill

"When the Federal Reserve Act was passed, the people of these United States did not perceive that a world banking system was being set up here. A super-state controlled by international bankers and international industrialists acting together to enslave the world for their own pleasure. Every effort has been made by the Fed to conceal its powers but the truth is - the Fed has usurped the Government. It controls everything here and it controls all our foreign relations. It makes and breaks governments at will." 1920-1931 - Louis T. McFadden Chairman of the House Committee on Banking and Currency

"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered." Thomas Jefferson 1816

"Allow me to issue and control the money of a nation, and I care not who writes the laws."1828 - Mayer Amschel Rothschild

"You are a den of vipers! I intend to rout you out, and by the Eternal God I will rout you out. If the people only understood the rank injustice of our money and banking system, there would be a revolution before morning." President Andrew Jackson 1829-1837

"The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the government since the days of Andrew Jackson." President Franklin Roosevelt Nov. 21, 1933

"Today, of course, we are not strong enough to attack. To win, we shall need the element of surprise. The western world will have to be put to sleep. So we shall begin by launching the most spectacular peace movement on record. There shall be electrifying overtures and unheard of concessions. The capitalist countries, stupid and decadent, will rejoice to cooperate to their own destruction. They will leap at another chance to be friends. As soon as their guard is down, we shall smash them with our clenched fist." Lenin School of Political Warfare in Moscow 1937

"Nationalist individualism is the world's disease - The manifest necessity for some collective world control to eliminate warfare and the less generally admitted necessity for a collective control of the economic and biological life of mankind, are aspects of one and the same process." - '

New World Order' by H. G. Wells 1939

"It will be just as easy for nations to get along in a republic of the world as it is for us to get along in a republic of the United States." June 28, 1945 - President Truman

"Today the path to total dictatorship in the United States can be laid by strictly legal means, unseen and unheard by Congress, the President, or the people. We have a well-organized political action group in this country, determined to destroy our Constitution and establish a one-party state. It has a foothold within our Government, and its own propaganda apparatus. One may call this group by many names. Some people call it socialism, some collectivism. I prefer to call it 'democratic centralism.' The important point to remember about this group is not its ideology but its organization. It is a dynamic, aggressive, elite corps, forcing its way through every opening, to make a breach for a collectivist one-party state. It operates secretly, silently, continuously to transform our Government without our suspecting the change is underway. This secret revolutionary corps understands well the power to influence the people by an elegant form of brainwashing. We see this, for example, in the innocent use of words like 'democracy' in place of 'representative government.' " - Senator William Jenner of Indiana Feb. 23, 1954

"In the counsels of Government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the Military Industrial Complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists, and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals so that security and liberty may prosper together."- President Eisenhower - January 1961

"A fever of nationalism...but the nation-state is becoming less and less competent to perform its international political tasks...These are some of the reasons pressing us to lead vigorously toward the true building of a new world order...Sooner perhaps than we may realize...there will evolve the bases for a federal structure of the free world." - Nelson Rockefeller 1962

"The high office of President has been used to foment a plot to destroy the Americans' freedom, and before I leave office I must inform the citizens of this plight." President John F. Kennedy - Nov. 13, 1963 - Prior to his assassination, tells a Columbia University audience

"..dumb animals in the furtherance of our foreign policiey" Henry Kissinger talking about American soldiers.

"There does exist and has existed for a generation, an international network which operates, to some extent, in the way the radical right believes the Communists act. In fact, this network, which we may identify as the Round Table Groups, has no aversion to cooperating with the Communists, or any other groups, and frequently does so. I know of the operations of this network because I have studied it for twenty years and was permitted for two years, in the early 1960s, to examine its papers and secret records. I have no aversion to it or to most of its aims and have, for much of my life, been close to it and to many of its instruments. I have objected, both in the past and recently, to a few of its policies, but in general my chief difference of opinion is that it wishes to remain unknown, and I believe its role in history is significant enough to be known." - Professor Carroll Quigley, Bill Clinton's mentor at Georgetown University 1966

[To the High Cabal] "the argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can 'throw the rascals out' at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy." Professor Carroll Quigley, Tragedy and Hope: A History of the World in our Time (one of Bill Clinton's teachers)

"Some opponents of humanism have accused us of wishing to overthrow the traditional Christian family. They are right. That is exactly what we intend to do." - The British Humanist Association 1969

"Marxism represents a further vital and creative stage in the maturing of man's universal vision...Marxism is simultaneously a victory of the external, active man over the inner, passive man and a victory of reason over belief...Marxism, disseminated on the popular level in the form of communism, represents a major advance in man's ability to conceptualize his relationship to the world - Technology will make available to the leaders of major nations a variety of techniques for conducting secret warfare, of which only a bare minimum of security forces need be appraised. One nation may attack a competitor covertly...techniques of weather modification could be employed to produce prolonged periods of drought or storm, thereby weakening a nation's capacity and forcing it to accept the demands of the competitor." -

Zbigniew Brzezinski, President Jimmy Carter's National Security Advisor - 1970

posted on Dec, 25 2005 @ 02:58 AM
Spartan. I have only achieved astral projection once. However in my trip. I saw the other side of the galaxy. I saw massive fleets of Star Trek Federation like ships.

I saw beautiful cities of light and love. I saw a multitude of different beings.

If someone wasn't holding a gun to the illuminati's head they would have had their New World Order by now.

The beauty is humans on Earth are only a small part of the demise of the New World Order.

For the people who know what is going on they will be rewarded. They will be spared from having to suffer the NWO. You will know when it happens.
The Great Rapture. The great airlift.

There are people who incarnated on Earth with great destinies. All of our heroes are alive and well in fresh new youthful bodies. Lennon, Guevara, Kennedy. Everyone the Illuminati killed. Even other people.

The soul, the life force of our body cannot be destroyed. Our soul will always exist. It is energy that cannot be destroyed. Our conscience cannot be destroyed and our bodies are just vessels.

We have walked the Earth in past lives.

There are people walking the Earth right now who know their purpose. And that is to lead humanity into a truly Golden age.

A Golden Age where travelling to Saturn is just a quick walk around the block.

Star Trek is our future. Oh yes. And what a beautiful future it shall be. It belongs to us after all. It belongs to all of you. It belongs to your children. We've been fooled a million times. The fooling stops at a million and one.

Since the beginning of the dark times humanity has never known true leaders. Only gamblers. However this is about to change.

For the first time in a long time people are going to step up. They are going to lead. These people are couragous and brave like you wouldn't know. There are people who were born to lead. They have no fear. They will fight in the air and on land. They will never falter and they will never fail.

They are such strong leaders that merely being in their presence will lift the morale. They will show us such comradery that the demise of the NWO will NEVER be in doubt. They have no fear of anything. They are surrounded by such light that nobody will dare stand in their way. Anyone who is stupid enough to stand in their way will be cut to pieces.

Earth will see one more great war. It will be a war so devastating that it will be equal to every war that has ever been fought. But when it is over, and the bad blood is gone we shall have no use for rifles on Earth again.

If you don't believe any of what I just said then you were never meant to. The NWO is a reality check for only those who deserve it. For those who refuse to believe the truth, refuse to accept what is now self evident, those who willingly accept the NWO with no question.

For those who know the real truth. they have a purpose. When the NWO rises they will be called to great duties. To accomplish great missions. The time is almost at hand. It won't be much longer until the hour falls.

It all comes down to Faith. Faith means that you believe there is a God, intelligent designer, something out there. Advanced civilzations. You have never seen them but you know they exist and you know they are watching over us.

That is what it is to have Faith. Every time I meditate and pray I can feel those who were close to me. Those who have come and gone. They are with us always.

[edit on 25-12-2005 by Huabamambo]

posted on Dec, 25 2005 @ 06:25 PM
I have to disagree with some posters here, however everyone is free to believe what they want.

Unfortunately, the Illuminati and the higher ranking freemasons do believe in the truth, there are positive and negative energies in this physical reality that can be manipulated, and unfortunately the higher ups use the negative aspect of it all.

There is no god that will judge them, they believe they are doing whats right for the planet, because they see sheep, and the illuminati are the shephards.

The all seeing eye, is actually an egyption occultic symbolism that is used by freemasonry, but was adopted by the illuminati.

The 13 layers represent the 13 Illuminati families on the earth, the eye of Horus represents the Pindar and the gap between the all seeing eye and the rest of the pyramid represents that they are above everyone.

However if you do meet a freemason, do not go and accuse them of heresy!!! Freemasonry is in a pyramidal structure, the lower ranks are good people, they are christian and they are muslim, and they are catholics and they are mormons etc..... They are trying to help society in a way which they deem fit.

However the higher you go, you DO learn secrets of the egyption occults and eventually they learn how to manipulate energy on the earth. The 'Age of Horus' is upon us - they believe, there are statues and monuments around the world which represent the 14 pieces of osiris, unfortunately, the penis of Osiris is located in Perth, Western Australia - I recommend doing research on the Perth Bell Tower. It uses 3 generations of 6 bells. Total of 18, however if you break it down..... 6-6-6. Ding ding ding!

This has nothing to do with god. Ritual is a form of energy manipulation to allow astral beings to inhabit a human body. It has nothing to do with satan, however it is the purest form of satanism on the planet.

Christmas just gone, is an illuminati ritual date for 'The Feast of Saturnalia'. Its the original christmas, and christmas was made to sit ontop of this date to feed off the energy of the day of people celebrating. Next is New years, and so forth.

I hope this helps a tad. I will post an article on the Perth Bell tower soon.

Kind Regards

posted on Dec, 25 2005 @ 07:26 PM
Hi Merger i`m interested in the link to the Perth Bell Tower,i hav`nt heard of it as the penis of Osiris?

Anyway i live in Perth and around that area (Bell Towers) there`s a large Black pyramid monument of something that i`ve driven past in a park.

If you dont live in Perth and want some pics of the Bell Towers or the pyramid let me know what specifically you would like and i`ll try and get it as i just got a nice digi camera for Xmas and i`m hanging out to use it for the first time.Tho feel a little uncomfortable with the thought that i may be taking photo`s of a penis?is that what you meant was unfortunate with it being in Perth?

posted on Dec, 25 2005 @ 07:42 PM
Hi there gps777.

Here is the link to the Perth Bell tower info.....

Yes I do live in Perth, Western OZ....... i know of the pyramid. What i meant for it being unfortunate is the fact that Perth is one of the high illuminati/masonic centres of the earth. Also the fact that the Bell Tower sits on a lay line full of vortex energy, thus the destination for the 'Penis of Osiris'.

Read the article and PM me, let me know what you think.

There's a group in Perth that has regular meetings that discuss all things illumatin/healing/god-mind/mind-body correlations and deprogramming. You may be interested in participating, I go on a regular basis and have learned so much of 'hidden' information.

Kind Regards

posted on Dec, 26 2005 @ 04:11 PM
I don't know about you but if memory serves all the Masons on this forum at one time violently denied that the Pyramid on the Dollar Bill had no affiliation with Freemasonry in anyway.

It's good to see that finially people are opening their eyes Mason and non-Mason alike.

posted on Dec, 27 2005 @ 06:56 AM
This information about the Bell Tower in Perth has me intrigued as I have spent many years in Perth. I have started to do some research and found this interesting article.

Aplogies this information has already been posted on another thread.

[edit on 27-12-2005 by deessell]

posted on Dec, 27 2005 @ 07:50 AM

Originally posted by Huabamambo

Even the Moderators here should be convinced. Unless they don't read alot of what is being said here. Or they themselves are involved with the Illuminati. Which I'm sure at least some of them are.

Isn't this the same guy who was just last week caught lying about going to London and looking at non-existent documents in the British Museum?

I have only achieved astral projection once. However in my trip. I saw the other side of the galaxy. I saw massive fleets of Star Trek Federation like ships...Star Trek is our future. Oh yes. And what a beautiful future it shall be.

Live long and prosper.

[edit on 27-12-2005 by Masonic Light]

posted on Dec, 27 2005 @ 08:15 AM
I don't understand, your title is about the all seeing eye. Where is the evidence that its a 'masonic symbol', if you mean anything more by that than that its a symbol used in masonry?

You claim that its used by the illuminati. What Bavarian Illuminati documents have it on them? Where is the description of it being used by the Bavarian Illuminati?

Edit to add:

I don't see how the description you give is an All-Seeing-Eye on the document. Can you run it through a scanner and then post it here so everyone can see it? Or take a picture with a digital camera and post it?

[edit on 27-12-2005 by Nygdan]

posted on Dec, 27 2005 @ 08:57 AM
I don't have a dig or a scanner but it's on there. The all seeing eye is a Masonic Symbol because it depicts the Arcitect of the Earth and the Universe.

This much cannot be denied. You don't need a 33rd Degree Mason's iniation paper either.

I'm not lying about whats described on the paper. Any Mason here knows that I'm not lying about the description of the paper. I couldn't describe in in the detail that I have with just lucky guesses.

posted on Dec, 27 2005 @ 09:11 AM
It has never been a secret that the eye in the pyramid is a masonic symbol.. however the symbol does not belong to them alone and I am not entirely certain what I believe as to its significance. We could be totally WRONG about what they are doing .. and then again we could be right..

Right now.. it is an unknown.

posted on Dec, 27 2005 @ 09:15 AM
We have to understand it's not the Masons who are pulling the strings. Ultimately the Masons are decieved and misled as if they were the regular public.

Masonic Light. There is a reason why Gene Roddenbary came up with the idea for the show. It wasn't just a random idea out of nowhere.

Maybe you should try Astral Projection and see it for yourself. I challenge you.

[edit on 27-12-2005 by Huabamambo]

posted on Dec, 27 2005 @ 09:54 AM

Originally posted by NephraTari
It has never been a secret that the eye in the pyramid is a masonic symbol.. however the symbol does not belong to them alone and I am not entirely certain what I believe as to its significance.

The confusion in all this is over the details. An eye in a pyramid is not a Masonic symbol, but the All-Seeing Eye is a Masonic symbol.

The All-seeing Eye is a symbol used in the Third Degree of Masonry. However, it is not associated with a pyramid. When we as Masons say that the eye in the pyramid is not a Masonic symbol, we mean that these two symbols (eye and pyramid) are not associated with each other in Masonic symbolism.

posted on Dec, 27 2005 @ 10:10 AM
I recall an older thread that discussed this. I think it was sebatwerk (a mason) who wrote that the eye inside a triangle is a Masonic symbol. I'm aware that a triangle and a pyramid is not the same, but a triangle could be a pictorial representation on a pyramid.

HA! found the thread
In it Moonchild posted this pic:

Triangle or pyramid? I'm not sure.

[edit on 27/12/05 by ConspiracyNut23]

posted on Dec, 27 2005 @ 10:56 AM

Originally posted by Huabamambo
I don't have a dig or a scanner but it's on there. The all seeing eye is a Masonic Symbol because it depicts the Arcitect of the Earth and the Universe.

The thing is, the symbol has a history outside of and apparently before masonry. I recall someone here was on vacation in germany and found it on a church, a catholic one of all things too. I don't recall where tho, maybe someone else remembers, it was the 'Church of the Holy Ghost' or something like that.

This much cannot be denied.

I'll agree unequivocably that masons make use of the symbol.
My question is, does the symbol exist outside of masonry, which apparently it does. There is also some debate over whether the one on the US dollar is masonic.

Any Mason here knows that I'm not lying about the description of the paper.

I'm not questioning whether you have it or not, I am saying that there doesn't seem to be an all-seeing-eye from your description. You said that its revealed in the arrangement or somethin. A pic of it would make it clearer, but I guess its out of the question.

There is a reason why Gene Roddenbary came up with the idea for the show

Roddenberry was just a creative guy who took some stuff that he knew and made a good tv series about it. The civilizations in the show are analagous to civilizations in history, their struggles are man's struggles, etc. And the ships look like they do because of the way he figured they moved, they 'warp' space and fly around on that, hence saucer sections to ride the warped waves of space, or big wings to glide down it, etc (I suspect that its only later when physicists started talking about compressing space that that idea was worked into the mythos).

masonic light

Notice that we see in the salute the inverted triangle. Vulcans are illuminati! Super-rationalists who value knowledge! Weishaupt didn't go underground, he went into space!

posted on Dec, 27 2005 @ 02:58 PM

Originally posted by Huabamambo

In this link that was posted there are some symbols alot of which I do see , for starterss is the 13 arrows in the eagles claw the 13 arrows for the 13 states of the union when the constitution was sighned

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