For anyone who agrees with the stated viewpoints of Bush and his administration about issues like Iraq, domestic security, etc...

Why do you trust in and believe what the administration tells you? Also, what kind of statement or event, and by/involving whom, would it take for you to contemplate questioning what you are being told?

Or, if you disagree with Bush, refer to the same questions ... why?

Please answer honestly if you do... I don't mean this sarcastically or satirically; I'm asking genuinely. Consider this a chance to state where your reasoning is coming from ... why you have it, not only what it is. I'm not looking to argue who's right and who's wrong...
In my view, all debates on this topic come down to the issue of trust, an issue practically never brought up. Typically, those who trust the government seem to support Bush, while those who distrust the government mainly oppose Bush. So, why did you pick one side or the other?

I trust and believe in the Bush administration because they have consistently had the intrests of America at heart. They weathered the tragedy of September Eleventh, and have had no qualms at going after the perpetrators of that massacre. They did what needed to be done, no matter what it was.

The administration has had to deal with a difficult era in American history, with both the end of the illusion of prosperity during the Clinton Administration, and the increase of terrorism from fundamentalist muslims causing mass murder. They have gone after dangerous enemies of America with great success and have managed to strengthen American economic intrests in the process. I believe them because they are the govenrment, and much more experienced than me. A divided America is the worst thing that could happen, we need to stand strong under american leadership in order to survive this era.

I will never question the government, for reasons I stated bedore. When we question our government, we weaken it. I trust the choice made by the voters when they put these people into office, and will not try to change it.

SOAX

I will never question the government

Well if you're never going to do that then you will never be able to deny ignorance my friend. The American government, english government and the western capitlist system is all #ed.

I think those words should be illegal to say here. If our government can kill presidents and its will, I will never trust them.

Hmmm, I guess no one saw my little hint with soax? Look at some of my other posts, see my real opinion.

XAOS

There are only three people I trust and the govt isn't one of them. Our Founding Fathers would be appalled on what we did to this country. *pukes*

I think that the founding fathers would be quite proud that their experiment has lasted 200 years and is still going. You support democracy right? How is this not a democracy? The people gave their judgement, and Bush is in office. Do you want to argue with the people? Did the American Public as a whole make a wrong decision? Is there anything wrong with the democratic process? Should we change the democracy that you hold sacred so that your favorite candidate always gets voted in?

SOAX

This country was built on Judeo-Christian principles which the govt forgot with this seperation of church and state crap. They are taking it to the inth degree IMO. An example of this is in California they want to change the Pledge of Allegiance. You also have those friggin liberals running around for tighter laws if not total abolishment of firearms, it is simply crazy.

[Edited on 1-10-2003 by Cearbhall]

HAAHAHAHHAHAHA

I hooked a conservative with liberal bait.



XAOS

As far as I view this administration and its agenda, "It has been a disgrace from the beginning." Why do I say that? President G W Bush in all probability would have nor could have ever held public office if. First off, Senior as a last act of office, would not have combined all the families records into one location. the OKC Federal Building. (And finally as far as any office goes, now for why a disgrace.) Second off, the "Bully on Bully" motto of his alma-mater is not a productive or diplomatic course for foreign policy. If any other country or leadership would have taken foriegn justice, or the denial of it, into their own hands, punitive regulations would have been imposed, instantly. Third off, the deniability aspect only leads to a corrupt and malicious entity, that is until reckoning is made evident, in most cases only to themselves.

Xaos,
DOH!

I trust Bush in regards the best overall interests of the US.

but he is also an elite and as such is more concerned with preserving the welfare of himself and his friends.

this argument around here is getting really stale I think for the following reasons:

1. People from many countries post here and all we ever talk about is the US and Bush, so boring!
2. Corruption is everywhere and needs to be for the controllers so why treat it as a rare condition?
3. Probably any political leader we can find is corrupt to some degree.
4. Politics is dirty business, in fact it is much dirtier than business, maybe some people here should learn this and 'just accept it.'
5. Idealism is what it is and reality is annother thing.
6. Everyone answers to someone else, Bush included.
7. The people that attack him most vociferiously seem more interested in their own political viewpoint being in power than making things better for 'everybody.'
8. There is no way possible for Bush to be responsible for all the problems in the world or to control everything in the world.
9. Empires have throughout history done things to their advantage and to the disadvantage of others. Why should this one be any different?
10. Even if we had world socialistic government tomorrow which would make certain people at ATS very happy, I guarantee each and every one of the members at ATS that they would complain even more in the end.

Bush is everyones buddy he love us all. He is concernd for everyone. That is why he has went to war, to get all his friends plenty of money from our government to rebuild Iraq and fix them oil wells, see he is a good guy, he won't let his friends down, then there is his concern for the rest of us, look at what he has done for the economy, more and more people out of work, more and more cuts to social programs for those out of work, Bush has our best interests at heart, then his love for the military, he gave them something to do, and in return for all their hard work not to mention risking their lives, he has cut veteran's benefits. Aw what a guy. Bush is everyones buddy---NOT.

Thank you for that "not" there at the end of that post, goose. Ya had me worried. I thought you'd been talking to Thomas Crowne for too long(lol j/k TC).

I cannot see why anyone who knows what Bush has done and can easily predict what he will do would post here. However... I'm not gonna go off on an anti-government rant, cause I've already done that in "liberal/conservative."

I agree with Bush merely on the military level. Yeah, we should have gone to Iraq and Afghanistan. OK... we're done now. LET'S LEAVE.

Also, I noticed an article in my local paper last year describing how Bush proposed something that would increase the FBI's DNA databanks. *thumbs up* Took long enough for him to have a good idea on the homefront.

But, alas... The moron has nothing else that i find worth agreeing with. He's put our troops in there for what, another 18 months? And we've been losing troops there at an average rate of about 1 per day. NO. GET THEM OUT. OUR WORK IS DONE THERE. ITS NO LONGER OUR PROBLEM. BUSH, SINCE I KNOW YOU HAVE PEOPLE WATCHING THIS SIGHT, LISTEN TO ME. GET OUR TROOPS OUT.

Signing off,
HLW

Actually, I more pity the man...

Take these facts into consideration:
1-He's already mentioned *& been recorded on public media* to admit to the existance of the NWO & the Shadow Government.

2-He *knows* what happened to Presidents like Abe Lincoln & JFK when they actually try to *resist* the "powers behind the throne" & actually perform a service for the nation instead of following the orders given by those "powers".

3-He *knows* that his family is deeply wrapped up in the whole shmear & he knows that he's being carefully watched.

4-He just doesn't have the guts to do anything but *hint* to The People what's going on & he doesn't have the strength to *so* anything about it...But he also knows that, as long as he goes along with them, he'll actually come out ahead (Unless they need a scapegoat...So he does whatever it takes to *avoid* becoming one).

So, in conclusion, I simply pity him for not having the strength of character that it would take to change the situation or the conspiracy's plans.

...Doesn't mean I actually *like* him at all...After all, he *still* jumps through their hoops, even if it's done with distaste...

...That's also why I wouldn't want to be President myself...I *know* that they'd have to kill me...


[Edited on 13-10-2003 by MidnightDStroyer]

MD,

you made some good points in your post here.

but how many people that criticize him for being weak' as you put it are any stronger?

I doubt very few.

That's also why I wouldn't want to be President myself...I *know* that they'd have to kill me... Posted by MidnightDStroyer

Hmm... interesting thought....

If you were president, would you willingly follow the orders of the Cabal? (Question is, would you even know you were doing it?)

If you were aware of what was going on, would you attempt to buck the trend and do something about it? What would you do to make it happen?

Probably my first step would be to kick the Secret Service Executive Protection Team out and walk down the streets at Camp Pendleton and gather up a small team of Marines as a body guard detachment... Secret Service would have assassins embedded to deal with a rogue president (Ala Kennedy) should the need arise.

DR,

The way I see it, that is what is going on now.

Witness how Bush has gone to 'local media' to spread the word on Iraq.

Who owns the big media?

They have turned on him.

That is why all the fools that jump on his head all day long are serving the globalists and helping to destroy the USA.

I disagree with that.

If Bush was an enemy of the Cabal, he would be damned and determined to prevent further encroachment of the government into our private lives. However, he has been extremely happy to launch into Patriot Act and Patriot II in the interest of taking more and more of our freedoms from us.

Now, what I DO see is a division within the cabal, one faction against the other. I do see Bush as being at the lead of one of those factions.

However, the problem is that neither faction has our best interests at heart...

The patriot act is possibly what it is said to be, a system to save the average law abiding America from local and internal incursions by terrorists.

It is like many things, it is not the law but the intent behind it and the application of it.

Now one can argue that the real problem is that it exists and that leads to possible abuse, which is true.

But decades of liberalism and wide open borders and misapplication of immigration laws almost make it required to have these laws now.

The old problem-reaction-solution triad used so much by the ruling cabal in order to move things their desired direction.

So your suggestion is that the only people against Bush now are legit American patriots and good ole' boys?

Funny a lot of them around here look more like brain-washed socialists to me. Granted it doesn't mean that all of them are like that.