Police Mega Forces

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Mutiny against a police mega-force, Thankyouverymuch!

Home Secretary Charles Clark wants to form 43 police constabularies into a dozen "strategic forces".

Opponents say the merger plan will bring an end to community policing.

With an end of a community policing, wouldn't this police mega-force possibly be used to protect the rich and wealthy, and not risk their hides on protecting everyone, as they try today?
Are our NWO politicians really so decadent, that they regard the upper class(es) as the only protectable?

Any ideas if this plan of merger can have a hidden agenda?

As far as I remember "constabulary" forces are units equipped and mandated to perform riot-police type duties... At least that's what they call them in much of the world, not sure about the UK... Something like between regular city police and the military. Maybe just police with larger jurisdictions.

I dunno if it is really that big of a deal, the article is kinda short and therefore vague, but it sounds something like how many communities throughout the US have absorbed their city police departments into county "Sheriff's Offices." A cost cutting and standardization measure, really.

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Lets not forget that in the event of civil war the Illuminati would play us off each other so that they wouldn't even be scratched and everyone else would go around killing each other. If most of the police see who they are working for then they would fight on our side, the only people we would be fighting would be the dirty satan worshipping politicians and high up members of organisations and businesses and they would be easy to kill. In this war knowledge is power and the more people that know what is really going on the easier the war will be when it comes.

Originally posted by AlphaHumana
As far as I remember "constabulary" forces are units equipped and mandated to perform riot-police type duties... At least that's what they call them in much of the world, not sure about the UK... Something like between regular city police and the military. Maybe just police with larger jurisdictions.

A constabulary is just an area that a particular police force operates. At the moment, this is basically organised on a per county basis (Kent County Contabulary, Lancashire County... etc), except for the larger police forces, such as the Metropolitan police operating in London.

The idea Charles Clarke has is to merge smaller forces into much larger - as has been reported, they want to decrease the number from 40+ to around 12 forces nationwide. This is to make the forces better able to respond to terrorism - although at the expense of local policing.

Thanks tek_604, like I said I am unfamiliar with the UK systems, your reply was just what was needed. What exactly is meant by "local policing", is it something along the lines of what we have here in small towns like "I know the Sheriff, he'll let us off" or are there some meaningful connotations? I may have connections to my county's Sheriff, but I know nobody in the FBI ;p!

Originally posted by AlphaHumana
What exactly is meant by "local policing", is it something along the lines of what we have here in small towns like "I know the Sheriff, he'll let us off" or are there some meaningful connotations?

A bit like that - for example, Kent County Constabulary have police officers assigned to specific villages, so that the residents of the village know there is a police presence, and a specific officer they are happy to know & deal with on a daily basis on small (non-criminal) matters.

I personally like the idea of each county having its own constabulary. It gives each county its own little bit of identity (much like how the British army used to be based upon each county having its own regiment... mergers for county regiments is one of the worst things that happened to the army in centuries, but thats for another discussion!).

To help the police fight terrorism & national/international organised crime, I don't know why the Government doesn't just set up an organisation similar to the American FBI.

Good Idea! Why don't the brits make more(?) use of their MI-5 regarding these threats of 'terror'? Why use the constabulary, are the british government expecting so much more rioting, than before? -That they need to merge the forces?

I believe MI-5 is for internal threats to the UK - in the past, they were operating against the PIRA, and I would guess that now they are looking at Islamic Extremism inside the UK.

MI-6 I believe are for external threats to the UK, and so would be working alongside the CIA in their attempts to catch Al-Queda members. I seem to remember hearing something (maybe on the news, but I can't remember) about MI-6 being very important in the fight against Al-Queda as they have excellent "on the ground" intelligence, which the CIA lack (the CIA have access to all kinds of electronic & satellite surveillence though).

I don't think rioting is the issue - the only places rioting would be a problem are London, Manchester, Liverpool & other big cities, and they have their own constabularies anyway.

The reasoning behing merging constabularies was to be able to pool each constabularies anti-terrorism units to lump the expertise together. But unless this expertise & information is shared between the remaining constabularies, it all seems pointless. And if it is to be shared, then why can't they just share the information better without merging?!

As I stated before, the best bet is to establish a FBI-style organisation for fighting national & international threats.

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[edit on 31/12/05 by Souljah]

can i point out somthing, there has been a terrorist threat in england for thirty odd years, from ireland, yet in all that time you could travel to england, from ireland, without needing to produce 1 piece of ID, you didn't have to inform anyone of your reasons for visiting or have to account for your movments, its compleatly free travel, there is no difference between moving from ireland to england than there is in moving from scotland to england, that was in a situation where the PIRA's stated intention was to use any means nessacery to further their cause, and they set off lots of bomb's up and down the country in that time, yet border controls were never instituted.

so why now, does the threat posed by muslim extremists really constitute so much of an extra threat that you need to rearrange the police forces, compel people to carry ID, allow for random detain and search and the institution of shoot to kill policies in the police forces across the country.
okay the muslim extremists might have more distructive wepons, but i don't see any evidence, they look to me to be more disorganised than the PIRA and i frankly don't think that they are less infiltrated than the PIRA seeing as they were set up and trained by american and british special forces, and you can count on mossad having most of them tied up with a pretty ribbon.

so why do british people allow themselves to be told that the extra measures that the gov. are trying to pass have anything to do with terrorisim if the threat posed by the IRA wasn't serious enough to warrent asking people for their passports on the way to and from ireland? you have to ask is their another motive, i'm glad the police forces are resisting these measures.

you realise all restructuring is a way for the Police to save money, the home office has said that police forces work best with 4000+ officers, and most forces would benefit from the merge as they would have greater access to specialist capabilitie that they might not be able to afford being smaller forces - such as helicopters/traffic units/CID.

Also about community/neighbourhood policing - this wont be affected, the big forces are still going to be split up into divisions like they are today.

Police Restructuring in England has nothing to do with the NWO and should be dropped - its just about saving money and making the police work better and achieving economies of scale.

Could i also ensure and point out to some that Mi5 have NO police powers and neither do Mi6 (to my knowledge - never met anyone in Mi6) and to clear up with earlier:

Mi5 = FBI
Mi6 = CIA
GCHQ = NSA

Originally posted by crazyman

Police Restructuring in England has nothing to do with the NWO and should be dropped - its just about saving money and making the police work better and achieving economies of scale.
GCHQ = NSA

Money, That is the name of the game here! With the population growing, and with that more butt-heads to play with. You need more Cops.

Originally posted by crazyman
Police Restructuring in England has nothing to do with the NWO and should be dropped - its just about saving money and making the police work better and achieving economies of scale.

Let's hope so for the future too!

Could i also ensure and point out to some that Mi5 have NO police powers and neither do Mi6

True, Mi5/6 has no policing powers, but for a whole array of intelligence 'tools'. I would also like to believe that any reorganization of the forces would basically mean closer communication between the existing organizations. Besides, does this reorg'ing mean the end of Scotland Yard? Are they basically merging the MI5/Yard -and where does this leave Interpol?!? I thought these two policing organizations basically did the same as MI5, except with authority to actually apprehend perps.

I know Interpol perhaps has lost it's power after the latter years change in society? Referring to Wikipedia,

The politically neutral role Interpol must play, its Constitution forbids any involvement in crimes that do not overlap several member countries, or any political, military, religious, or racial crimes. Its work centers primarily on public safety and terrorism, organized crime, illicit drug production and drug trafficking, weapons smuggling, trafficking in human beings, money laundering, child pornography, financial and high-tech crime, and corruption.

Note that: forbid involvement of any political, military, religious and racial crime...
It kind of sounds to my ear that this org is rather dead in the water these days, eyh?

I guess a national restructure of the policing forces, is a neccessity, regarding the changes of society. It seems that criminality has become murkier and even grey'er than before, to sort out.

Could i also ensure and point out to some that Mi5 have NO police powers and neither do Mi6

Correct - the police and the Security Services will always be distinct and separate from one another. MI5 is recruiting an additional 3200 officers over the next few years, and MI6 is recruiting an unspecified number.

I've heard in my circles that MI5 will be opening regional intelligence offices so that they can liaise with local Special Branches (police) more easily.

The merger of English and Welsh Police forces, is indeed, to save money, and to capitalise on uniformity of purpose and strategy. At the moment, there are too many Chief Constables who rebel against the Home Office. Charles Clarke wants a lesser number of Chiefs, and of course, those who follow the Home Office's way of doing things will be pipped for the top spots.

Community policing will get much better, with a specific uiniform way of conducting police business to be in place across England and Wales by 2008. Numerous forces have 'pathfinder' divisions currently trialling the new 'Neighbourhood Policing teams' (which were actually in place in many parts in 2001)

Restructuring of the police service is no big conspiracy, it is a genuine attempt to create a more professional service for the 40-odd quid per-year you pay for it.

Cheers.