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"..... ridiculous to give any credit to the US government for keeping its citizens more comfortable
Originally posted by dawnstar
what I said was that those programs cloud the picture, not the census...read my post again.....what I meant was, I cannot walk through any given neighborhood and judge by the number of starving children, delapidated houses, and barefooted women that there is x% of improvished people in that neighborhood...when talking about the poor, we have done such a good job of taken care of most of them, well, the person you are talking to could be one of those poor, and you wouldn't recognize it. it might be kinder, and more humane, but it also makes it easier for problems to sneak up on us, while we wait for that census or whatever to be compiled.
I've have talked to quite a few who held those now unwanted jobs in the past....they used to make a half-way decent living at those jobs. to listen to them talk, it kind of sounds like when the mexicans moved in, well, the employers decided that they would do a better job, for less money!! so those wages went down, those who were making decent wages found alternative employment, in areas where they could make a decent living.
But, let me ask you this, since you are so gung-hoe about this welfare to work program....okay, when my kids were young, in order for me to work, my husband would have had to subsidize my paycheck....I wouldn't make enough to pay for the childcare of three children. It wasn't economically feasible for me to work, so I didn't. I imagine that this problem has only increased throughout the last decade?? So, you have no problem with the government using MORE of you taxmoney, so that single mom of three or four young children can work???
And well, as far as the healthcare situation, or let's just take the whole shabang....the medicare, the hud, the heap, the food stamps, all of it....
Hey, I'm game, let's just cut it all off for all those who are able to work.....irregardless of weather or not they are working!! What the heck, it won't affect me much at all, except for maybe what little we buy might go up in price just a tad to compensate the fact that many of the businesses we deal with are now paying their workers far less than what they require to live....and well, alot of their employees were relying on these programs...
Luckily, I don't work in the healthcare field or the insurance companies that cater to them, so I wouldn't have to worry about my wage or salary dropping like a rock when the hospitals, drug companies, and healthcare providers face the choice of either losing alot of patients, or accepting what they can pay, or never being paid!! and, well, I don't own any real estate that I am renting out, so I wouldn't have to worry about chosing between lowering my rent to a more manageable level, or having an empty home! and, I don't own any stock in such companies that would be affected as our economy scrambled to make up for the chaos that having so many of the population change from being buyers in the economy to not being, while others have more money, money to save, money to invest whatever, but more than likely, they wouldn't be paying for a second rented apartment, more food, heat, and the other stuff that the poor used their benefits for. and, well, I am not president bush, who brags about all those jobs he created, so it won't bother me a bit when so many of those created jobs disappear because they were in the healthcare sector of the economy!
hey, I am all for it.....I don't rely on the government for sqaut, and well, not only would I expect to see more money in my pocket, but alot of what I buy alot cheaper as the companies lower prices to accomodate those that are no longer being given the money for their rent, food, electricity, ect. ect. ect.......not to mention healthcare! but, I really think that the idea of really taking it all away, for all except those who are truly unable to fend for themselves is just a bluff on the conservative's part. Since they have been actively taking money from me, to give to someone else, so they would buy those things that I have decided that are just too overpriced for me, and therefore go without and then sitting at the backend, collecting it from those "poor" people. or investing in the stock of those companies reaping the profits.
they'll just keep doing the balancing act they have been doing.....just how many can we cut from the programs this year, without having so many starve, or be homeless for society to take notice and react and without having our stocks plummit.
[edit on 26-12-2005 by dawnstar]
Originally posted by dawnstar
two $7 an hour jobs still don't make a living wage!!!
and I'm sorry, I still don't see the sanity in adding an additional $9 plus to the benefits just to force some single mom to work one of those $7 an hour jobs!!!
there was a time, I know there was, when a taxi driver could even provide the basic needs of his family.....no extravagant lifestyle, but the needs.....he was my father....
now, lol.....you got illegals working the construction jobs, living three or more families in a home just to make ends meet!
and yes, the government invests alot of money to "create jobs", train doctors, train nurses, develope drugs, ect. ect.....you'd think that with all the assistance the healthcare industry is getting, they could at least make their services affordable for everyone, instead of expecting the taxpayer to subsidize them on that end also!
[edit on 30-12-2005 by dawnstar]
Originally posted by xpert11
It seems to me that American workers get screwed over worse then there NZ and Aust counter parts. Its simple logic when the min wage is less then $10 and people have to pay for health care there going to be in a tight spot. Here in NZ the min wage is spose to reach $12 by 2007.
Typical right wing governments kwwp wages low and then expect people to pay more for the likes of health care.
Originally posted by xpert11
Zapaafan1 your argument is to general for example the PM of Aust John Howard brought in a GST so it not only lefy wing governments that burden people with taxs. You have to bear in mind that people in many countries arent paying for health care insurance out of there wages so your argument may only make sense from an American point of view.
[edit on 2-1-2006 by xpert11]
".... people in many countries arent paying for health care insurance out of their wages"
I do have a question, though: Where do the governments of NZ and Australia get their money from? The government here has only the money they take from citizens and companies every week at the point of a gun, or through through threat of force.