A 9/11 conspiracy couldn't be kept secret for long?, page 1
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reply posted on 21-12-2005 @ 06:23 PM by bsbray11
Ah, many would be surprised as to how sheepish people can be. A little pressure from an authority figure, or a group of peers, and behavior can be critically altered from what we perceive as normal. Take, for example, the Nazis. Masses of Germans were totally brainwashed, no? Well, behold the power of psychology.

Check the
Milgram Experiment. It's a classic example of how people will behave as they're told, when they're told, by an authority.

The experiment (and I apologize for digressing somewhat) went basically like this: a subject was told that he/she would be delivering electric shocks to someone based on their responses to certain questions. A wrong answer would illicite a shock, which grew in intensity with each wrong answer, into lethal amounts. In reality, the subject wasn't really shocking anyone, but an actor would be playing up being shocked.

The experiment was to see how far the subject would go in following orders, even when it was clear that he was causing extreme harm to another human being, right in front of his own eyes. Sort of like Vader watching Palpatine fry his son Luke without (at first anyway) doing anything about it, eh?

The experiment showed that 2/3 of the subjects, despite all the pleading of the actor whom they thought they were clearly severely shocking, carried out the entire thing, into ridiculous amounts of electricity, simply because they were being pushed on by an authoritative figure. They were torturing simply because they were being told to. Just average people. They objected here and there, but nonetheless continued all the way until the end. The other 1/3 stood fast and refused to complete the experiment after certain voltages. I don't think anyone really protested until they were past 300 volts, though.

And out of all the participants, and even though some objected and stopped, Milgram noted that none offered the actor whom they thought they were shocking any help at all, at any point.

We can be very cruel and obedient beings. It's in our nature, and unfortunately isn't unusual at all. Orders will be followed, and even when rank is broken here or there, there are still enough people following orders to control damage. Coverups would be easy peasy today, especially considering the situation with corporate major media. En masse, nearly all individuality is overridden, as in mobs, and the result is a single group individuality.

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reply posted on 21-12-2005 @ 07:08 PM by Killtown
Originally posted by bsbray11
Ah, many would be surprised as to how sheepish people can be. A little pressure from an authority figure, or a group of peers, and behavior can be critically altered from what we perceive as normal. Take, for example, the Nazis. Masses of Germans were totally brainwashed, no? Well, behold the power of psychology.

Check the
Milgram Experiment. It's a classic example of how people will behave as they're told, when they're told, by an authority.


Great post! I totally forgot about the Milgram Experiment and how it relates with authority figures keeping their subordinates in line. I have brought up how gov't administrations like Hitler's was able to control most of their country's citizens as evidence of how our gov't could control most of us through force/intimidation etc (I also bring up the Reichstag Fire as evidence of false flag ops).

It reminds me right after the attacks how BushCo had such a fierce look on their faces and tones on their voices and how the lashed out at even the idea of a 9/11 investigation and how almost no politician voted against invading Afghanistan.

Even my Libertarian Party were cowards in supporting invading Afghanistan with absolutely NO EVIDENCE OBL was behind the attacks and NO EVIDENCE Afghanistan had anything to do with 9/11 other than BushCo's insistence that OBL did it and they were harboring him.



reply posted on 22-1-2006 @ 11:08 AM by AgentSmith
Who cares? It's common knowledge that secrets are kept for decades. Just go onto a FOIA server and look stuff up that's just been released.
You can hardly compare keeping a secret army a secret with the sheer complexity of engineering 9/11 in some of the fanciful ways people like you seem to enjoy promoting.
Could it be kept quiet that Al-Qaeda are a CIA created entity used during the Cold War? No because we already know that. Could the events have occured as we have been told, but with a different morivation or someone else giving orders to Al-Qaeda? Quite possibly.
Could it have been a country like Israel, trying to engineer things into their favour in the Middle East... Very possible... Could they have had help from the government to an extent? Quite possible..

Could Missiles, fake aircraft, explosives, etc have been planted and used, bearing in mind the sheer scale of event and what would have to be done? Unlikely, and more importantly, un-necessary.

For some reason, people such as yourself assume that just because I and others do believe that the truth is told to an extent in how the buildings collapsed, what aircraft hit, etc that we all believe it was done by Bin Laden because 'he hated freedom' or religous reasons.
Duh, think again. If you are trying to prove that the motivations or true perpetrators could be easily hidden for countless years - Your right!
But I managed to work that out all by myself, many years ago.. It's actually pretty obvious.

But if you think it proves that explosives could have been used, fake planes were used, missiles were used, etc, etc.. Then no it doesn't.
I realise you havn't actually said that here, but I'm going on some of your other posts.

[edit on 22-1-2006 by AgentSmith]
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