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Originally posted by waynos
"Dassault has grown out of slotted array pants years ago "
.. Dassault doesn't build radars anyway, ..
Next you simply list a load of equipment that the Rafale carries. ... Typhoon needs to be spread over four pages to contain all the information, long lists don't prove anything.
Originally posted by Stealth Spy
It is also interesting that these eurofighters to be sold to the Saudis will be taken out of the RAF's Eurofighter quota ...
Originally posted by waynos
You haven't bothered to learn anything about these 'nothing special' features then have you so you can hardly accuse.
Keep swallowing the Rafale hype while dismissing the Typhoon hype as you always have my freind.
The Rafale carries, for the first time in aviation history, an integrated electronic survival system named SPECTRA which features a software-based virtual stealth technology.
The DBEM can detect transmitters over the frequency range of 2-18 GHz, but this was increased to 2-40 GHz on the F2 standard. The system has a very high accuracy of up to one degree in azimuth. The DBEM automatically detects, classifies, and identifies emitters and inputs information about them into the computer.
The Spectra's active jamming subsystem uses phased-array antennas located at the roots of the canards. The antennas can produce a pencil beam compatible with the accuracy of the receiver system, concentrating power on the threat while minimizing the chances of detection. It also uses other low-probability-of-detection techniques, so the Rafale's electronic-countermeasures (ECM) capability is also compatible with its stealth requirements.
Originally posted by waynos
you are picking out something that Rafale has which Typhoon (maybe) hasn't, but all the things Typhoon has which Rafale hasn't you choose to ignore.
For instance one area I read that the Typhoon is better is its FBW system which allows carefree handling, whereas a slightly more basic system fitted to the Rafale does not.
Twelve countries have
been visited so far, with local air force pilots and officials performing
familiarization sorties, thanks to the quick-to-learn pilot interface,
carefree handling and inherent safety features. In all, the Rafale has
been put through its paces to date by 75 air force evaluator pilots
from outside France.
Typhoon is a bit more advanced and a bit more capable than the Rafale, and is a bit more expensive too.
Originally posted by Harlequin
if rafle is so good , why are India still building the LCA???
Type > Single-seat light weight all-weather multi-role air superiority Fighter
Aerodynamics > Tail-less Compound delta planform with relaxed static stability
Powerplant >One Kaveri turbofan engine of 81kN thrust with FADEC (TVC planned and in development)
Prototypes and LSP's use F-404's
Airframe > Materials include Aluminium - Lithium alloys , Titanium alloy and Carbon compositites. Composities for wing (skin , spars and ribs ) fuselage (doors and skins), elevons, fin, rudder, airbrakes and landing gear doors. More than 45% of the total materials used are composites (arguably the highest for any airplane till date)
Sensors > Multimode pulse Doppler with multitarget search, track-while-scan and ground mapping. Also included are Radar Warning Receiver, Laser Warning Receiver, Missile Approach Warner, new generation IRST, Lightening Laser Designation Pod, Friend/Foe identification system, Tarang HADF/SIVA pod.
Cockpit > Glass cockpit with two Multi Function Displays, Head-Up Display , Multi Function Keyboard and Get-You-Home Panel , Hands on Throttle and Stick (HOTAS)
Avionics > Configured around three MIL-STD-1553B digital data buses, 32 - bit mission computer with software written using ADA language, 32-bit Mission Computer (MC) (which performs mission oriented computations, flight management, reconfiguration / redundancy management and in-flight system self-tests). Accurate navigation and guidance is realised through RLG based Inertial Navigation System (INS) with provision for INS / Global Positioning System (GPS) integration, Jam resistant radio commumication system with advanced Electronic Warfare (EW) environment. In the EW suite, Electromagnetic and Electroptic receivers and jammers provide the necessary "soft-kill" capability, Integrated Digital Avionics Suite (characterised by its interface with all other aircraft systems such as Utility Systems Management System (USMS), Proplsion System, Electrical System and Flight control System) 8kb/second datalink, Full Glass cockpit
Flight Controls > Quadruplex Digital Fly-by-wire flight control system that provides carefree handling.
The digital FBW system of the LCA is built around a quadruplex redundant architecture to give it a fail op-fail op-fail safe capability. It employs a powerful Digital Flight Control Computer (DFCC) comprising four computing channels, each powered by an independent power supply and all housed in a single line replaceable unit (LRU). The system is designed to meet a probability of loss of control of better than 1x10-7 per flight hour. The DFCC channels are built around 32-bit microprocessors and use a safe subset of Ada language for the implementation of software. The DFCC receives signals from quad rate, acceleration sensors, pilot control stick, rudder pedal, triplex air data system, dual air flow angle sensors, etc. The DFCC channels excite and control the elevon, rudder and leading edge slat hydraulic actuators. The computer interfaces with pilot display elements like multifunction displays through MIL-STD-1553B avionics bus and RS 422 serial link.
External Stores > Seven stations for a wide range of air-to-air missiles,anti-ship missiles, unguided rockets, conventional / retarded bombs. Provision for Drop tanks , Recce Pods, EW and other sensor pods.
Stealth Features > More than 90% of the LCA's wings and an even greater percent of its tailplane, etc is made of composites which are inherently stealthier than metal. Y-shaped air inlet ducts hide the engine blades. Its very small size and simple tail-less delta winged configuration ensure a very low RCS. Further Radar absorbent maiertials will be coated on the exterior. Infact the DRDO has publically stated that its RCS (when untreated with RAM) less than 1/3rd that of Mirage-2000's.
Unit Cost > 21 million $
I would add that the only reason the Euros went with the canard layout was because they were expecting U.S. to do so in the ATF.