Santa "Claws"

Here is my turn to rant....

I have yet to understand the need for the exhistance of "santa claus" as well as for the reason why the true dark origin of it is not mentioned by anyone ?

Tho many people tell their children about santa claus, it amazes me the most that most of christian would bite that bate ...

If Jesus is the reason for the season Why do some many Christians lie to their children about santa claus, on the exact same day they are suppose to be celebrating the birth of their savior? did Jesus die so christians can make up lies about Santa claus ?

Isnt it sinning against God and all what He represents, to lie to children ...that are pure and innocent? and by lying to children about Santa claus are christian parents the ones that first teach their children how to lie ?

My parents did not tell me about santa (and i'm very thankfull to them for that), they simply said ther eason why we share gifts is because the wize men brought gifts to baby Jesus when he was born.
Saint Nicholas exhisted, but he is NOT the origin of the guy in the red suite. The truth is that "santa claus and his red suite" have very dark origins, that started 'ions' ago during the Festival of the Stagg' where a priest would skin a reein deer alive and than wear his skin inside out as the offer was sent to the Gods. that why Rudolph's nose is "red and shiny", and thats how Santa got his Red suite.

Here follow a couple of questions that puzzle me ....

1) when parents tell children about Santa, they tell them Santa will bring them everything they asked for if they are good boys/girls. Well when the child does not what they asked for, isnt it cruel to sedn them on a guilt trip, based on a lie ?
won't the child ask her/himself "what did i do wrong? Why doesnt santa like me ?"

2) How can one criticze Harry Potter and things of that nature for portraying witchcraft and than teach children about a guy in a red suite that flys across the skies, pulled by magic reein deers, and squeezes himself dow chimnees, while everyone is asleep ? isn't that magic or a form of wichtraft ?

3) I am often told that the reason why i think this way is because i have no children, and if i did i would love them and do everything for them.
well thats alovelly thought, but i dont see how sending children into unecessary guilt trips over a false story based on a dude that skine animals alive is in any way shape or form considered love ?

4) Did not Jesus say that those " who loveth and maketh a lie won't enter Heaven ?", how does that connect with the santa claus thing ? I am prefectly aware that everyone lies once in a while... i lie as well to myslef ... when i look in the mirror in the morning and say "girl, you look great.", nevertheless, there is a mighty difference between a "once-in- a- while sleep" followed by repentace, and reuqest of forgiveness, and a YEARLY REPETITION of a lie disguised as "Tradition", in one of the days thats supposelly should be SACRED and HOLY to Christians ?

5) Also, why are parents surprised when their children lie to them for the first time ? Why do parents aske "where did he/she learn how to lie ?" Its obvious where they learned how to lie ... at home , with their parents, whom they look up to. their parents were the first ones to initiate them in the fabulous world of lying. the first lie told to them WAS SANTA CLAUS. Off course everyone will eventually learn how to lie, but wouldn it be better if kids learned that from someone else, instead of their parenst ?

6) Finally... what is the REAL need of having Santa claus ? what is it for ?
we can't say its so that cildren have fantasy, because children have PLENTY of fantasy... they even get their own "invisible" friends... if thats not fantasy, i don't know what is ?

P.S. - "Santa" can see all and veryone, flye across the skys, know who is naughty or nice.... deliever millions of gifts in a couple of hours... aren't those "God" like qualities ? ..Isn't God suppose to be the only one capable to know everything and everyone ?

I agree with the notion of kids celebrating the arrival of a mythical charachter rather than the birth of christ, but those who believe in Santa Claus are you young to understand the concept of religion in the first place. So I do not see the harm in allowing the children a few years of enjoyment and then being told the difference and realizing what christmas is all about. If you have never believed in Santa I guess you do not know what you are missing out on. I will let my children believe in it, and when they grow older they too will learn the difference and then acknowledge what christmas really is for. Let kids be kids, because that is all it is for.

I am caught up in the spirit of christmas these last few days and remembering my childhood how excited I was during these last few days before christmas. Merry Christmas!

Originally posted by chissler
but those who believe in Santa Claus are you young to understand the concept of religion in the first place. [/quote

They are also to young to be lied too, i guess?

If you have never believed in Santa I guess you do not know what you are missing out on. [/quote
I don't consider beeing lied to, specially by my parents, something i "missed out on".

Let kids be kids, because that is all it is for.

yes, let the kids be kids, keep them pure, innocent, happy, filled with imagination, and above everything safe and loved... i agree... what i dont agree with is... how exactly does the santa lie protect, love, and keeps children pure ? they dont seem very happy when they find out that their dear "santa" that their parents SWEAR WAS TRUE, doesnt exhist after all ?

[quoteI am caught up in the spirit of christmas these last few days and remembering my childhood how excited I was during these last few days before christmas. Merry Christmas!

thats great.... so am I... but do you also remember how much it hurt you when you found out it wasnt true ?

I was lucky...i didnt feel that pain

Merry christmas to you and yours.

They are also to young to be lied too, i guess?

I don't consider beeing lied to, specially by my parents, something i "missed out on".

Ok that is alittle much I think, every parent has the choice of how they want to approach this with their kids. We all make the decision and have that right too. What we dont have the right to is to talk out against those who make the decision different from another. Yes when I found out that he was not real it was abit of a let down, but I quickly got over it. And when I look back now I am very satisfied with the route they decided to take and can not wait to do it with my own children.

yes, let the kids be kids, keep them pure, innocent, happy, filled with imagination, and above everything safe and loved... i agree... what i dont agree with is... how exactly does the santa lie protect, love, and keeps children pure ? they dont seem very happy when they find out that their dear "santa" that their parents SWEAR WAS TRUE, doesnt exhist after all ?

Alot of people agree with this and in some cases you are probably dead right, but with me i do not agree because I understand why my parents did what they did.

thats great.... so am I... but do you also remember how much it hurt you when you found out it wasnt true ?

Yes I do, I cried like the little kid I was :shk:

I was lucky...i didnt feel that pain

No you are not lucky, I cried for 5 minutes over the fact he was not real, and enjoyed many years of being a kid. I couldnt sleep for a week before christmas, and my biggest hope was to one day meet him, If you have never experienced this you do not understand what it means to kids. They spend 11 months waiting for this guy to come, and nobody was going to take that away from me. I sincerely believe kids don't really care if he is real or not, it is the chance we give them to use their imagination. We spend 95% of our lives in the real world, lets leave this 5% to the imagination of an ambitious child.

Merry christmas to you and yours

Same to you, and may we all remain healthy through the holidays!



[edit on 21-12-2005 by chissler]

There are two stories about santa claus. The first is that the christian holiday of christmas is picking up pagan traditions and festivals, and that Santa gets added to it because of a preist (orthodox i think) named Nicholas who gave presents to the townschildren around that time. With time he is morphed into Father Christmas in england, the elfin Santa Claus in the US, and other variations.


The other story about Santa Claus is even weirder. Apparently, the older traditions associated with Christmas time celebrations involved a weird entourage that would parade through the town. One was a jester/harlequin woman, another was a man in a red dyed goat skin, and there are other assorted characters. They'd 'break in' to people's houses (not violently or unexpectedly though) and sortof play harras people in the houses, collecting gifts, etc, eventually parading to a locale where the man in the goatskin would be shot, originaly by an archer, later a gunman. I think the goatman comes upon the gunman with his wife or some variation thereof.

This is odd, but it gets even odder. The myth traces back to even more nad more pritmive versions. Apparently the Ainu of Japan (these are aborigines to the japanese islands who live in reservations now and aren't like the usual 'ethnic' japanese), have ritual where the group goes to the hills, goes into a bear cave, cathes a bear, and after having a celebration with the bear as the gues of honor, consume it (or perhaps prepare it, prop up its fur pelt, and have it as the feast-meal).

Anyway, part of the ritual is placing bear skulls iwth their femurs in the eye sockets in a ritualistic pattern. Tthis tracks back to even older rituals found in the caves of cro magnon men where neanderthal skulls have been found (controversially) in this same pattern.


So santa claus is a cave man, wearing the fur coat, crawling through a narrow passe, associated with wild animals like reindeer, yeilding gifts (bear meat, presents, same difference).


Here is a good article on it
www.forteantimes.com...
There is also a book on this theory in more detail.
Santa Claus: Last of the Wild Men by Phyllis Siefker

Originally posted by chissler[/]

No you are not lucky, I cried for 5 minutes over the fact he was not real, and enjoyed many years of being a kid. I couldnt sleep for a week before christmas, and my biggest hope was to one day meet him, If you have never experienced this you do not understand what it means to kids. They spend 11 months waiting for this guy to come, and nobody was going to take that away from me. I sincerely believe kids don't really care if he is real or not, it is the chance we give them to use their imagination. We spend 95% of our lives in the real world, lets leave this 5% to the imagination of an ambitious child.

5 minutes that you spent crying for nothing... this statement itself shows me I AM and WAS LUCKY. My childhood went alot further than just to wait for someone who doesnt exhist..

Anyway, no problem, because millions of parents will keep perpetuating this frivulous nonsense in the name of " children's fantasy", when children ahve plenty of fantsay no need for lies... Another Christmas passes, and another generation will have to go throu this nonsensical ritual of hypocricy... oh well... people do whatver they want ...