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The Terrorists Have Won the War in Iraq

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posted on Dec, 21 2005 @ 06:30 AM
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Originally posted by Souljah
Without Essential Oil Reserves your American Ecnomoy, based on Crude Oil, will Collapse like a Tower of Cards. So fragile it is, that the USA can not afford, that Crude Oil would be sold in PetroEuroes, therefore making the PetroDollar drop.

Critical thinking 101, in relation to that hypothetical Tower of Cards mention, Souljah: if oil is the critical and fragile foundation and base of the US economy, it is the critical and fragile foundation and base of the Western industrialized world, including China. Your petrodollar and petroeuro mention is interesting, but the validity of such becoming a serious problem is still yet to be seen.





You did not Understand the Meaning of this Photo - you are watching it too narrowminded.

Pot calling the Kettle black.

Better yet, before ultra pheonix gets back online and see's your comments, you might want to stop spitting.






The Corpiorate Economy is FUELING with other peoples Misery.

You meant to say: world corporate and driven economy?
At any rate, your many times insinuated socialist-styled and governed world would not be much better off. The idea works till actual implementation, then it collapses like a tower of cards, whereas, capitalism and corporate-based world economy continues to flourish.







seekerof

[edit on 21-12-2005 by Seekerof]




posted on Dec, 21 2005 @ 06:35 AM
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Souljah said "Without Essential Oil Reserves your American Ecnomoy, based on Crude Oil, will Collapse like a Tower of Cards. So fragile it is, that the USA can not afford, that Crude Oil would be sold in PetroEuroes, therefore making the PetroDollar drop. "

Yes and once the Western scientists find a way to make Oil obsolete the Middle east is screwed, then the middle east will be begging for money, so tell me who benefits most ?

And if you dont beleive the Middle East will be screwed once oil demand is gone, tell me why not, what other industry have they got to feed there people ?



posted on Dec, 21 2005 @ 06:38 AM
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Originally posted by Souljah

Originally posted by Agent47
The US keeps forces deployed across the globe because they protect American interests abroad. With us being one of the largest economies in the world we no doubt have just a little right to ensure our economic safety across the globe.

Agreed.
Without Essential Oil Reserves your American Ecnomoy, based on Crude Oil, will Collapse like a Tower of Cards. So fragile it is, that the USA can not afford, that Crude Oil would be sold in PetroEuroes, therefore making the PetroDollar drop.




I didn't say the word "oil" did I? No I said America's international economic interests. The US interests abroad are far more complex than just oil. Why else would we be in places devoid of oil such as oh say Afghanistan, Bosnia, and Korea? And yes Latin America has oil reserves but the military isn't there to secure that rather its there to fight a war on drugs.

And are you saying that America has no right to invest internationally and to support its free market economy by opening up business in other countries. What right do you have to say the US is wrong for trying to secure prosperity for its people.


And the whole soldier dies = whatever. Thats so ridiculous that it doesn't even merit more than a sentence reminding you that every time a soldier dies an American or British citizen has given his life for his country and that is more important than your off base economic theories.

[edit on 12/21/2005 by Agent47]



posted on Dec, 21 2005 @ 06:41 AM
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Originally posted by NumberCruncher
Yes take this as a warning, Islam wishes to instill upon the world a calipahte and Sharia law on YOU!


Your warning is obviously a reaction to some fear you hold. Is this a fear based on your fear of having your mind corrupted by a religion? I just want to know if your personal philospohy is that shaky that you feel threatened by an unacheivable ideal. I'm not saying you are right or wrong, but I'm puzzled by your priorities. I'm more afraid of a world-destroying meteor than what you seem to fear so much.



posted on Dec, 21 2005 @ 07:11 AM
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Originally posted by glastonaut

Originally posted by NumberCruncher
Yes take this as a warning, Islam wishes to instill upon the world a calipahte and Sharia law on YOU!


Your warning is obviously a reaction to some fear you hold. Is this a fear based on your fear of having your mind corrupted by a religion? I just want to know if your personal philospohy is that shaky that you feel threatened by an unacheivable ideal. I'm not saying you are right or wrong, but I'm puzzled by your priorities. I'm more afraid of a world-destroying meteor than what you seem to fear so much.


It's not a fear i personally hold as much as a fear i hold for future generation's.

I fail to see why you beleive it's an unacheivable ideal, France is a perfect example ...
Quote "" France is facing the problem that dare not speak its name. Though French law prohibits the census from any reference to ethnic background or religion, many demographers estimate that as much as 20-30 per cent of the population under 25 is now Muslim. The streets, the traditional haunt of younger people, now belong to Muslim youths. In France, the phrase "les jeunes" is a politically correct way of referring to young Muslims.

Given current birth rates, it is not impossible that in 25 years France will have a Muslim majority. The consequences are dynamic: is it possible that secular France might become an Islamic state? " end quote, rest at this link
opinion.telegraph.co.uk.../opinion/2004/01/26/do2601.xml

And if your not convinced that France as a Republic and a majority Muslim population (as it looks like the future holds) would vote in a Islamic government just look at the recent Iraqi polls , they have voted in a Government that intends to introduce Sharia Law, so much for the theory that the world would embrace democracy hey ?

I beleive that a huge amount of Muslims are no less willing to let go of there ideal's as most westerners are not willing to let go of there ideal's, so therefore in a Muslim majority society you can only expect that they would vote in there own, birds of a feather flock together so to speak.

I would rather take your comet than be forced to convert to Islam or to pledge allegiance to any religion period.

thanks for your time.



posted on Dec, 21 2005 @ 07:40 AM
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Originally posted by Seekerof
Critical thinking 101, in relation to that hypothetical Tower of Cards mention, Souljah: if oil is the critical and fragile foundation and base of the US economy, it is the critical and fragile foundation and base of the Western industrialized world, including China. Your petrodollar and petroeuro mention is interesting, but the validity of such becoming a serious problem is still yet to be seen.

But no other country in this world is MORE dependant then the United States. Without Oil, all Cars in America come to a Stop. Without oil all Warplanes of the USAF stand still on their runways. Without oil carrier battle groups have no more meaning. Without oil combat vehicles of the USArmy stand still.

You got much more to loose then any other Country - for you have the Majority of Armed Forces OVERSEAS - in combat zones.

Can not afford to stand still.



Pot calling the Kettle black.

Better yet, before ultra pheonix gets back online and see's your comments, you might want to stop spitting.


So, you have to call all your friends to join the Debate (more an Argument) against me? Still, there is only ONE Souljah - but hell, "BRING IT ON"!




You meant to say: world corporate and driven economy?
At any rate, your many times insinuated socialist-styled and governed world would not be much better off. The idea works till actual implementation, then it collapses like a tower of cards, whereas, capitalism and corporate-based world economy continues to flourish.

And which is the Numero Uno World Corporate Based Economy?

Which has already merged the Corporate and Goverment Power?

Where Corproations actually Create wars and have influetial politicans in the Goverment itself?

USA is based on Oil Economy and on War Economy.

Without the two of them - United States collapses in a jiffy.

And eventually it will.

And you know how the saying goes:

The Bigget they ARE - the HARDER they Fall!



posted on Dec, 21 2005 @ 07:45 AM
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Souljah said ...But no other country in this world is MORE dependant then the United States. Without Oil, all Cars in America come to a Stop. Without oil all Warplanes of the USAF stand still on their runways. Without oil carrier battle groups have no more meaning. Without oil combat vehicles of the USArmy stand still.


Dream on Souljah, the USA can produce enough oil and rely on reserves to fight wars and run essential services for years.

Once the public demand for Oil is gone youll see just who is most dependand.

No demand for Oil and the Middle east would starve to death, unless you have a way to make lush gardens and pastures from deserts ?



posted on Dec, 21 2005 @ 07:48 AM
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We have already won the war in Iraq.
We are now in mop up phase just as we
were in Germany after WWII. That took
four years. Remember the Werewolves in
Germany after the war? That's the same
thing the insurgents are now.

The people of Iraq have won. They are rid
of Saddam. They have their Constitution.
They are getting the $$$ that was being stolen
from them by Saddam and the UN.

The Iraqis have won.
thepoliticalteen.net...


Originally posted by Souljah
United States collapses in a jiffy.
And eventually it will.


Dream on. Actually, that would be a
nightmare for the world both politically and
economically. But dream on .. if your pathological
hate for America keeps you warm at night.



[edit on 12/21/2005 by FlyersFan]



posted on Dec, 21 2005 @ 07:59 AM
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Originally posted by NumberCruncher
Dream on Souljah, the USA can produce enough oil and rely on reserves to fight wars and run essential services for years.

Sure.




But ofcoruse it can...

Meanwhile 280 Million People BURN 1/4 of the Entire World Oil Reserves!




posted on Dec, 21 2005 @ 08:03 AM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan
The Iraqis have won.
thepoliticalteen.net...



Hey, you found that video. I saw it live on the news but couldn't find it online. Wish I could have used that for a previous debate.

Souljah... Your hatred blinds you man. You should have a picture of Darth Vader as an avatar.



posted on Dec, 21 2005 @ 08:03 AM
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But no other country in this world is MORE dependant then the United States. Without Oil, all Cars in America come to a Stop. Without oil all Warplanes of the USAF stand still on their runways. Without oil carrier battle groups have no more meaning. Without oil combat vehicles of the USArmy stand still.


The same is true for every other country; it’s not just the US. We are all dependant on oil until it runs out and we’re forced to use something else. I know we consume more oil then any other county but so what? Is there a problem with that, we can afford to buy what we need.


You got much more to loose then any other Country - for you have the Majority of Armed Forces OVERSEAS - in combat zones.


Also, the majority of the US armed forces are not overseas, only a fraction of our forces are overseas at any given time.


And eventually it will.


Ah, your one and only wish isn’t it?

Oh, nice graphics by the way, I like the colors



posted on Dec, 21 2005 @ 08:37 AM
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If i remember correctly, usa makes about 1/4 of all food in the world..and eats about 1/3 of it..the remaining food what goes to trashcans, could stop the hunger in world :/..Souljah,Keep up the good but allmost impossible work on educating that nations citizens. Maybe if we can break the bubble of ignorance, the wars could stop. But it seems they like it that way. Just waiting ww3 and hoping my nation will make the right decision when asked which side you wanna be. And it´s not the same side as uk/usa.
-aape



posted on Dec, 21 2005 @ 08:42 AM
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SOULJAH- Stick this in your pipe and smoke it, like i said the US can fight wars for years on its own oil.

"In the program Global Journalist that I host each week I
asked how much oil the United States military is
using in prosecuting the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. It was part of a discussion on the high -- and increasing -- price of petroleum products. Ruba Husari of Energy Intelligence in London answered that the matter was not important since the military consumes fuel all the time. According to Oil Drum, the American military accounts for 1.8 % of all American fuel consumption. "
pub8.bravenet.com...



posted on Dec, 21 2005 @ 08:47 AM
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Originally posted by aape
If i remember correctly, usa makes about 1/4 of all food in the world..and eats about 1/3 of it..the remaining food what goes to trashcans, could stop the hunger in world :/..Souljah,Keep up the good but allmost impossible work on educating that nations citizens. Maybe if we can break the bubble of ignorance, the wars could stop. But it seems they like it that way. Just waiting ww3 and hoping my nation will make the right decision when asked which side you wanna be. And it´s not the same side as uk/usa.
-aape


And on that point if the USA and entire west wasnt forced to spend a collective Trillions by the Islamofascists on Military and home defence we could feed the poor.
Islamofascists not only kill people but they starve them to.

Oh seen as your from Finland if WW3 happens i think we will see you as a conscientious objector.

Good Luck.



posted on Dec, 21 2005 @ 08:49 AM
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You have voted Souljah for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have one more vote left for this month.



posted on Dec, 21 2005 @ 08:50 AM
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Originally posted by NumberCruncher

Originally posted by aape
If i remember correctly, usa makes about 1/4 of all food in the world..and eats about 1/3 of it..the remaining food what goes to trashcans, could stop the hunger in world :/..Souljah,Keep up the good but allmost impossible work on educating that nations citizens. Maybe if we can break the bubble of ignorance, the wars could stop. But it seems they like it that way. Just waiting ww3 and hoping my nation will make the right decision when asked which side you wanna be. And it´s not the same side as uk/usa.
-aape


And on that point if the USA and entire west wasnt forced to spend a collective Trillions by the Islamofascists on Military and home defence we could feed the poor.
Islamofascists not only kill people but they starve them to.


Ouch... *Touche*... The man has a damn good point here!!!



posted on Dec, 21 2005 @ 08:53 AM
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Man if you would put 5% of your yearly military budget to world hunger i bet it would stop. But wars make money and usa needs money now more than ever before. And if 9/11 caused the world to spend it´s money on defence, you would imply that you had the money to stop worldhunger before 9/11 but just didn´t do so
. What ever, i still believe there is mighty big plan behind the whole "war on terrorism" joke. Just read all the weird facts about twin tower collapses, jordania bombings, 7/7 bombings and about fake osama tapes. Yeah they are maybe all bs but maybe there is the thruth. And if going to iraq was about wmd´s , WHAT right does it make for usa to start pumping and transferring oil to usa?
-aape

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posted on Dec, 21 2005 @ 09:16 AM
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Originally posted by aape
Man if you would put 5% of your yearly military budget to world hunger i bet it would stop. But wars make money and usa needs money now more than ever before. And if 9/11 caused the world to spend it´s money on defence, you would imply that you had the money to stop worldhunger before 9/11 but just didn´t do so
. What ever, i still believe there is mighty big plan behind the whole "war on terrorism" joke. Just read all the weird facts about twin tower collapses, jordania bombings, 7/7 bombings and about fake osama tapes. Yeah they are maybe all bs but maybe there is the thruth. And if going to iraq was about wmd´s , WHAT right does it make for usa to start pumping and transferring oil to usa?
-aape

[edit on 21-12-2005 by aape]


Well they nearly do

In FY2004, USAID manages a foreign aid budget of $12.65 billion
usinfo.state.gov...

And like i continue to say, if the Islamofascists didnt force the US to spend so much on Military it would be alot more.

Show me who else handed out 12bil in 2004 ?



posted on Dec, 21 2005 @ 09:18 AM
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oil talk and dependency????

What happened to the discussion that Iraq has democratically voted to be an Islamic state run by religious leaders who will more than likely use Sharia Law as a basis for their new country's laws???

get back on topic and stop with the name calling (remember this thread was started by a mod, I will see the no's no's) now play nice boys.



posted on Dec, 21 2005 @ 09:26 AM
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Guess where that money comes from


worlds external debts

external debts : United States $862 billion (1995 est.)

Military expenditures—dollar figure: $276.7 billion (FY99 est.)

Economic aid—donor: ODA, $6.9 billion (1997)

ok..you maybe donate big sums, but when referred at % of your country wealth, it really isn´t so much.
-aape



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