Behind the Steel Curtain: The Real Face of the Occupation, page 10
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reply posted on 7-1-2006 @ 05:32 AM by AgentSmith
Originally posted by Souljah
You know, the number of Fallen US Soldiers in WWII is around 420.000.

While the people of Yugoslavia, had to pay with 1.100.000 Lives - my GrandFather Inlcuded.

And let's not Forget the people of Soviet Union, to which the Europe has to be Really Thankful for their Liberaton and Freedom from the Nazi Occupation, for they PAID far LARGER price then ANY other Nation in the World: 23 Million Lives!


While I normally wouldn't agree with you - you're absolutely right. I get fed up with hearing people crying about how hard done by they are across the water considering what this country (England) and other European countries have been through during the wars and with terrorism.
Japan was nuked for Pearl Harbour, Pearl Harbour lost 68 civilians. Japan lost 100s of thousands. Don't get me wrong, it helped save countless lives and all that - but still...

Look at the Blitz here in England from 25 August 1940 to 16 May 1941.

The first German raids on British cities had already taken place by the end of August 1940, when Birmingham and Liverpool were attacked, but on 7 September the Blitz intensified when around 950 German aircraft attacked London. It was the first and last mass daylight raid on London, but it heralded the first of 57 consecutive nights of bombing.

The daylight raid alone caused some 300 civilian deaths and a further 1,300 serious injuries; by the end of the Blitz, around 30,000 Londoners would be left dead, with another 50,000 injured. Fortunately, millions of children, mothers, patients and pensioners had already been evacuated to the countryside.
www.bbc.co.uk...


So you'll have to excuse me if I get slightly niggled when I hear people say about 9/11 and how 'we don't know what it's like' - which I have done in the past.
Out of curiosity, what's the longest bombing campaign the USA has ever suffered?

Sorry, I don't want anyone to think I don't care about what has happened to the USA in the past, far from it, nor do I want people to think I am not grateful for everything they have done for us. But at the same time I find the blinkered attitude that some people have thinking that they have had it the worst ever so slightly stomach churning.


reply posted on 7-1-2006 @ 08:20 AM by Souljah
Originally posted by devilwasp
With respect stop blowing it out of your 6, russia and the US both played parts and netheir could have achieved anything without the other.
The US went several thousand miles from home to fight for europe, russia had to drive its forces several thousand miles across hostile terrain to push the germans back, the UK sat and took pounding after pounding striking back at hitler with all it had, france fought its resistance war, etc ,etc.
Frankly IF you are so trying to brush off the american contribution to the war your ignorant, btw your country would have been supporting the german warmachine BTW.

With all Due Respect,
I am Tired, just like mister AgentSmith before me, for Hearing one thousand and second time the Phrase we Saved your A** in WWII, for the United States played an Important Role in this War on all Fronts, but these People make it sound like that they EVERYTHING. Like the Nations and Nationalities of Europe did Nothing, just Collaborate with the Enemy. England was never under Enemy Occupation - the Rest of the Europe was, and you never felt the Nazi Boot on your Neck when lying on the Ground. Just as the United Stats did not.

And People did die in Millions - so we shold thank ALL THE ALLIES who fought the Third Reich in this War.

And a part of my Country - the Traitors - did Support the Enemy War Machinery, and they killed their own Countrymen and send them to Death Camps, so there was a little War going on in every country in Europe, not just MINE, and the rest of the World.

BUT, we are AGAIN getting Severly off topic, and that is my fault completly.

Sorry Moderators!



[edit on 7/1/06 by Souljah]


reply posted on 7-1-2006 @ 08:42 AM by devilwasp
Originally posted by Souljah
With all Due Respect,
I am Tired, just like mitser Agent Smith before me, for Hearing one thousand and second time the Phrase we Saved your A** in WWII, for the United States played an Important Role in this War on all Fronts, but these People make it sound like that they EVERYTHING. Like the Nations and Nationalities of Europe did Nothing, just Collaborate with the Enemy.

So what? I'm tired of it to but making it out that they never contributed or thier loss of life was "little" compared to anyone else is sickening.

England was never under Enemy Occupation - the Rest of the Europe was, and you never felt the Nazi Boot on your Neck when lying on the Ground. Just as the United Stats did not.

And nethier did you, your grand fathers and mothers may hvae but not you.
England was not under invasion but the UK was, the channel islands where taken and under occupation.

And People did die in Millions - so we shold thank ALL THE ALLIES who fought the Third Reich in this War.

Yes we should, but makeing one out to "less" than the others is NOT right.
We're europeans for god sake, we're supposed to set an example, LEAD by example.

And a part of my Country - the Traitors - did Support the Enemy War Machinery, and they killed their own Countrymen and send them to Death Camps, so there was a little War going on in every country in Europe, not just MINE, and the rest of the World.

Dont shun it away, you know what I said was right.


reply posted on 9-8-2008 @ 09:08 PM by StellarX
From :

www.abovetopsecret.com...


Originally posted by StandingbyI am talking about the logistical support that allowed the russian infantry to move 3000 miles to engage the Germans, I am talking about the Lend LEase Act, that effectively saved Russia from a certain demise.


Lend lease allowed the great offensives of 1944 and 1945 without which the Germans would have had sufficient manpower left in France to make D-day as bloody as the allies expected while also allowing lines to be generally maintained on the East front. It would not very likely, or in my opinion at all, have resulted in the Soviets losing but the war would have dragged on MANY more years.

The Russians won world war 2, the also took the massive brunt of the full weight of the Germans. The allies fought nothing in comparison on such a scale as that of the easern front.


It would be silly to suggest that there were not severe fighting between the allied forces and Germany elsewhere but in terms of the number of formations involved and the 'free' wheeling style of warfare on the great open planes of European Russia it can not compare.

Russia could not have mobilized its reserves in the precious time needed without the 4 million miles of power lines and the 400,000 troop transport trucks, and the Millions of gallons of aviation fuel. Without these resources Russia would not have had the manpower to do what they did.


Russia could have easily mobilized ( recruit and train) the many millions they did but to actually equip them with modern fighting systems in the numbers they did and keep them supplied would not have been possible to the extant it was by the end of 1943 and onwards. Since the Wehrmacht was by the campaigning season of 1943 already in serious trouble ( 1942 included some disasters for Germany but larger ones for the SU) it would have gone better probably resulting in a Kursk stalemate without the Russians having sufficient power to affect a counteroffensive at Orel leading to 1943 being a far less devastating year for the Wehrmacht.

It was a collaboration of the allies, Jews included. That won world war 2, the Rusian just did 90% of the fighting and dying. I salute the Russians and respect the heck out of them.


But still you have felt the need to presume that all the fighting and dying were only ultimately successful because of Lend lease? Well that just ain't true! The US could have very well used all the resources and supplies itself to reinvigorate the invasion of Italy or launch a invasion of Europe earlier but it CHOSE to send it to Russia knowing that they could apply the resources more effectively ( and probably with not many more casualties) than they could. As can be seen from how US infantry fared in Guandacanal ,North-Africa , Sicily and later Italy it was a good decision that likely saved millions of American/British lives as well , for that matter, Russian one's.

Back on topic we go, i hope, as every post i make results in me falling behind a few pages in this thread!

Stellar
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