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Behind the Steel Curtain: The Real Face of the Occupation

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posted on Dec, 20 2005 @ 07:01 AM
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Dahr Jamail's Iraq Dispatches



White flags on top of houses and cars, plenty of American and Iraqi military vehicles, too many check points and blocks on the road, many frightening walking patrols, curfew after sunset, heaps and heaps of destroyed houses, shops, offices, the only bridge, hospitals and medical care centers, walls covered with bullets shots, and election posters…empty faces with bleak looks wandering in the streets. This is the picture of Al-Qa’im after the “Steel Curtain” military operation which began on November 5, 2005 with 3,000 American and Iraqi troops participating in it.

Electricity is cut for more than a month now, after the main station was bombed, and the converters were bombed and the wires were cut. In the morning Al-Qa’im looked horrible. The General Hospital was 90% destroyed, the medical care centers, the schools, shops, houses… Al-Qa’im general hospital is one of the most important hospitals in the far western area of Iraq. It covers the whole area from Haditha to the borders, where there are hundreds small towns and villages. There are several medical care units connected to it. In Haditha there is a similar general hospital that covers the area from Haditha city beyond till Ramadi. Both hospitals are now severely damaged and burnt.

Modhhir Najim Abdulla, a security officer in the hospital took us to his uncle’s bombed house where 17 women, children, and civilians were killed. The house of Arkan was just heaps of concrete blocks; the roof was flattened to the ground. There were 5 families living there. Not one of them was a stranger or a fighter.

“I just want to know why, I want a justification” Modhhir began, “the bombing began on Nov 5, loud speakers were saying stay at home, do not move out, and we did. 15 minutes later the bombing began. They did not announce evacuation. We had no chance to leave.” On Nov 7, we heard that our uncle’s house was bombed. We could not go to check; we went to the nearest American troops and told them. They accompanied us, and this is what we found.”

The American troops played a classical, colonial, very dirty trick of divide and conquer in Al-Qa’im. They allied with one big tribe, Al bu Mahal, against another very big one, Al-Salman. They used one as informants against the other. These people may make mistakes, or they may give wrong information for different reasons, but innocents get killed in the process. In the last “Steal Curtain” operation, thousands were arrested, and informants from the other tribe were used to pick those who were thought to be insurgents. This story was repeated in many places: Rumanna, Karabla, and Al-Ebeidy. Of course anyone who is branded as a collaborator (traitor) is killed. Qa’im is one example of what is happening in different parts of Iraq.


Please visit the link provided for the complete story.

I bet you won't find news like this on CNN or Fox.

Here is the Official DoD Article:


"Forces at these outposts will prevent the al Qaeda in Iraq-led terrorists from regaining a presence in these cities and threatening local residents with their murder and intimidation campaign," a coalition spokesman said.

"Their familiarity with the area and its people was crucial in identifying friend from foe and enabled their Iraqi and coalition partners to better understand the geographical complexities of the region," the spokesman said.

Officials reported that 10 Marines were killed in fighting during Steel Curtain. A total of 139 terrorists were killed and 256 were processed for detention during the operation.



How many of those 139 Terrorists were Women and Children hiding in their Houses when the Mighty US Airplanes Bombed them?

Well I guess it's the Good Old "If they are Dead they are TERRORISTS" Tactic - best described in this ATS Thread: The media are minimising US and British war crimes in Iraq:

When the Pentagon claims that it has just killed 50 or 70 or 100 rebel fighters, we have no means of knowing who those people really were. Everyone it blows to pieces becomes a terrorist.



AM, another employee from Rummana said, “We saw 14 airplanes bombing, we heard that there is a major attack on Huseiba. 5 days later we heard that the attack was on Karabla and Ebeidy which was hit by 50 missiles from dawn to sunrise at 6 am. A man said that they used white phosphorus.

“He said that when the dead were buried, their clothes were intact, but the bodies were like ashes when they were held. In Rummana they collected all the men, and the Iraqis who accompanied them would point to some who are then taken away. The troops are still occupying the schools and the medical center. They tell the families to leave then they blast the house. They did that with 15 houses in Rummana. In one month, at least 150 were killed in Rummana. On Nov 15, they forced the families to spend the night outside in Ebeidy. Two newly born babies died in the cold.”


Please visit the link provided for the complete story.


As long as the Bush&Co. claim that the US are actually "winning" the War in Iraq in his Speeches.

"My fellow citizens: Not only can we win the war in Iraq - we are winning the war in Iraq!"

But ofcourse you are.

Lets go back a little, and see what Bush also said about War on Terrorism:

"Can we win? I don't think you can win it."
After being asked whether the war on terror was winnable, "Today" show interview, Aug. 30, 2004.

And he was RIGHT once in his Life...




posted on Dec, 20 2005 @ 07:52 AM
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Souljah did you care to find out how many of those destroyed houses and hospitals were caused by insurgents? Do you want me to give you links detailing the use of car bombs and IED’s placed in and around civilian houses in Fallujah? They blow up the civilians houses themselves, then take some pictures and rely on people like you to post them on here and start your usual USA is Evil march.



posted on Dec, 20 2005 @ 08:40 AM
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All of the western journalists in Iraq are embedded with the troops. The live in fortified camps, either hotels or if they are outside of the cities they live in the troop bases.
There is almost no independant reporting by western news agencies out of Iraq. They few reports that are brought out show that the majority of the country is being held by the Shia militia. The control the streets and keep insugrency down.
There are 10 Million armed Shia militia in Iraq, if they wanted to they could take the country back from Western Forces within a few days.
The US is now cooperating with them as are most other Western forces.
The Shia militia in some areas are dictating who will be voted for in the elections, they hand out punishment killings and beatings.

All of this is a result of the poorly planned, badly executed occupation of Iraq by all Western forces.
The war against Saddam's regime is one of the biggest and most pointless loss of life in the past 50 years.

I for one am ashamed to live in country where this kind of behaviour from the government is tolerated by so many.

There is no distinction between the players in this dreadful political charade: politicians; soldiers; insurgents they are all responsible for perpetuating they horrific situation.

But you cannot blame the state for the evil situation that has developed, the finger must be pointed at the good men, and women, of the Western world who have stood by and done nothing.



posted on Dec, 20 2005 @ 10:34 AM
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Originally posted by Expositor
There are 10 Million armed Shia militia in Iraq, if they wanted to they could take the country back from Western Forces within a few days.


LOL, just where did you hear that
Considering there are only 26 million Iraqi's, you're saying that almost half are in the Shiite militia, come on enough of the BS



posted on Dec, 20 2005 @ 11:32 AM
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Souljah main job : Spitting on the USA.



posted on Dec, 20 2005 @ 11:43 AM
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So we are to take this as "believable" when infact the report itself claims


These people may make mistakes, or they may give wrong information for different reasons

So who are we to believe? You? Them? The US ? The UK? The "independant" media?



posted on Dec, 20 2005 @ 11:54 AM
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Originally posted by WestPoint23
Souljah did you care to find out how many of those destroyed houses and hospitals were caused by insurgents?

But ofcourse they were - the moment that US kills an Iraqi civilan - he/she becomes a Terrorist/Insurgent.

Maybe that's why the USA do not do Bodycounts on Iraqi's.



Do you want me to give you links detailing the use of car bombs and IED’s placed in and around civilian houses in Fallujah?

Do you want me to give you links, detailing the use of Guided Ammunitions upon Civilans Population in Fallujah?



They blow up the civilians houses themselves, then take some pictures and rely on people like you to post them on here and start your usual USA is Evil march.

Yeah - sure.

Those EVIL Terrorists - they always find new ways to Harm the Shiny Reputation of the Perfect United States of America.



posted on Dec, 20 2005 @ 11:55 AM
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Originally posted by ultra_phoenix
Souljah main job : Spitting on the USA.

ultra_phoenix main job: Spitting on Souljah.

Souljah REAL main job - Spitting on Bush Administration.



posted on Dec, 20 2005 @ 11:59 AM
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Originally posted by Souljah
But ofcourse they were - the moment that US kills an Iraqi civilan - he/she becomes a Terrorist/Insurgent.

Maybe that's why the USA do not do Bodycounts on Iraqi's.

Now who's telling the wrong information?



Do you want me to give you links, detailing the use of Guided Ammunitions upon Civilans Population in Fallujah?

Only if you report both sides.



Yeah - sure.

Those EVIL Terrorists - they always find new ways to Harm the Shiny Reputation of the Perfect United States of America.

So your now going to ignore it and shrug it off?
Hmm guess that the iraqi insurgents dont commit crimes then ethier huh?



posted on Dec, 20 2005 @ 03:47 PM
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Yeah Souljah can you post the link(s) detailing the use of PGM’s purposely upon the civil populous?



posted on Dec, 20 2005 @ 03:55 PM
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I have to ask the question how many civilians do you think are killed by an insurgency that puts IEDs in Pepsi cans or lays out long lines of concrete blocks with artillery shells embedded in them in areas where children play or go to school?

You have way too much of a biased one sided view of this whole conflict. In war people make mistakes and sometimes civilians pay the price but that is a long ways from purposely making munitions that look harmless and could be picked up by any unsuspecting individual. Get a grip, you can't try and say the insurgency doesn't exist and you can't say that we purposely bomb homes.


CIA

posted on Dec, 20 2005 @ 09:24 PM
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Originally posted by WestPoint23
Souljah did you care to find out how many of those destroyed houses and hospitals were caused by insurgents?




If you are competing with insurgent for destroying more houses, US win for sure



posted on Dec, 20 2005 @ 09:30 PM
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Originally posted by CIA
If you are competing with insurgent for destroying more houses, US win for sure

Pity he wasn't comparing them, he was asking if the poster had looked into which side destroyed what.



posted on Dec, 20 2005 @ 09:30 PM
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If you are competing with insurgent for destroying more houses, US win for sure


Yeah? You have any proof to back that claim up? And don't just post random pictures.



posted on Dec, 20 2005 @ 09:32 PM
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Originally posted by CIA

Originally posted by WestPoint23
Souljah did you care to find out how many of those destroyed houses and hospitals were caused by insurgents?




If you are competing with insurgent for destroying more houses, US win for sure


He's not trying to do that at all. He's asking an honest question about how many innocent lives the insurgents have affected with carbombs outside police recruiting stations, bombs they handed to little kids that ran up to a stray humvee on patrol, or the countless attacks against shiite religous meetings. And I don't agree the "US win for sure". If anything we are making up for the homes we destroy by trying to build a infastructure for the future Iraq to grow from.


CIA

posted on Dec, 20 2005 @ 09:43 PM
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Originally posted by Agent47

Originally posted by CIA

Originally posted by WestPoint23
Souljah did you care to find out how many of those destroyed houses and hospitals were caused by insurgents?




If you are competing with insurgent for destroying more houses, US win for sure


He's not trying to do that at all. He's asking an honest question about how many innocent lives the insurgents have affected with carbombs outside police recruiting stations, bombs they handed to little kids that ran up to a stray humvee on patrol, or the countless attacks against shiite religous meetings. And I don't agree the "US win for sure". If anything we are making up for the homes we destroy by trying to build a infastructure for the future Iraq to grow from.






You can rebuild the houses, paid by their oil, of course, but can you relive all those dead? you have your body count, but do you ever care how many Iraq people died?



posted on Dec, 20 2005 @ 09:58 PM
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Originally posted by CIA


You can rebuild the houses, paid by their oil, of course, but can you relive all those dead? you have your body count, but do you ever care how many Iraq people died?



War is hell. This is a thing people have known for years but in the end the loss of some Iraqis AND American Servicemen/women now will help save the future for millions of Iraqis who would have had to suffer under Saddam or his son's down the line. And here you go with the oil thing, honestly if you researched it you would find how awful the system of oil production is in Iraq. Saddam really let the oil production go to hell over the years and if we honestly wanted to invade a country for oil we could have invaded one with much more up to date production methods (see Kuwait). Yes I do care how many innocent people die as much as I care about how many young Americans die protecting those same people. Your making quite the assumptions about me from one little post bub.



posted on Dec, 20 2005 @ 10:00 PM
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The intention of souljah's post is obvious, and all ya'll ever do when he does post some news (because it doesn't praise the USA, yes yes, how dare they ???), that we indeed will not see on the TV or in the papers, is try flip it into what the US forces are doing that is so good.

U can't turn all negatives into a positive though folks.

This post is not about the Insurgents or who they have killed or what they are doing, it's about US attacks on Iraqi civilians, pay attention

This is not a game to see who wins.

If U want to point out all the good works they are doing there then start another thread and U can all slap each other on the backside, or whatever is ya'll do, for a job well done there.


sheeesh


U gotta take the good with the bad and if U think the way the US does it's business is as angelic as I have seen some try to always prove on these threads, U have a serious problem, should log off and go seek professional help. Or join the US Military.


"You can fool some of the people all the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on." - George W Bush.


No prizes for guessing who he is referring to



Souljah this was very informative, thank U for posting.

CIA - you're SO on point




[edit on 20-12-2005 by ImJaded]



posted on Dec, 20 2005 @ 10:02 PM
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[snip] Removed board business rant [/snip]

*Please use the Gripe/Idea feature for discussion that only concerns the staff.

[edit on 20-12-2005 by dbates]



posted on Dec, 20 2005 @ 10:08 PM
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Originally posted by ImJaded
The intention of souljah's post is obvious, and all ya'll ever do when he does post some news (because it doesn't praise the USA, yes yes, how dare they ???), that we indeed will not see on the TV or in the papers, is try flip it into what the US forces are doing that is so good.

U can't turn all negatives into a positive though folks.

This post is not about the Insurgents or who they have killed or what they are doing, it's about US attacks on Iraqi civilians, pay attention

This is not a game to see who wins.

If U want to point out all the good works they are doing there then start another thread and U can all slap each other on the backside, or whatever is ya'll do, for a job well done there.


sheeesh


U gotta take the good with the bad and if U think the way the US does it's business is as angelic as I have seen some try to always prove on these threads, U have a serious problem, should log off and go seek professional help. Or join the US Military.


"You can fool some of the people all the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on." - George W Bush.


No prizes for guessing who he is referring to



Souljah this was very informative, thank U for posting.

CIA - you're SO on point




[edit on 20-12-2005 by ImJaded]



No dear how bout you pay attention I put that in bold so you can easily read it and understand it. When soulja brought up the insurgents he made them fair game to talk about. Sure his initial post was about the affect the occupation has had on Iraq in a negative way he did invite discussion on "who are insurgents' and inevitably someone pointed out how the insurgents are actively not accidently targeting civilians.

I'm not saying we are 100 percent in the right in this situation. People in the military routinely make mistakes but they pay for it. An Artillery officer who graduated from the AROTC at my university was court martialed after a military UAV photographed him shooting a dying insurgent in the head after the unit medic said that there was nothing he was gonna do for him. The military makes mistakes but someone answers for them.

And I really don't like the tone you used in reference to the people defending your ability to sit at your computer and criticize them. The US military isn't made up of fanatics but honest hard working people who don't always agree with what they are called upon to do. Case in point the number of Iraq veterans who have come back and ran for the Democratic party in elections.

Please have a little more respect for the seriousness of the war and see that there are two sides to a conflict where the military may accidently blow up a house but two blocks down the road a public relations officer is helping set up vaccinations for hundreds of school children.



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