Okay, I'm going to offer up some sincere advice that you probably won't accept in the "spirit" that it is intended and I'm sure won't follow.
MP420 and plague, if you are as sincere as you claim to be and you want your ideas to be heard and taken at all seriously then you really need to
improve your language skills. I don't say this to be mean and in the past I have stood up for individuals when others were criticizing their
grammar, etc., because there are a myriad of circumstances playing on the English skills of a given person. So I hope you understand that I'm not
saying this to be mean.
Any student of any English 101 course can tell you that if you don't seem able to spell, use punctuation and capitalization correctly, or form proper
sentences then few people are going to care about what you have to say. Perhaps you don't really care about that kind of thing, or think things like
English education are a part of "brainwashing" of the material world, or whatever, but it is really a matter of communicating clearly. If you have
something to tell people, especially if it isn't a part of conventional conception, then the impetus is on you to make following what you say as easy
as possible. It's hard to be convinced that someone had discovered the keys to understanding the universe when they seemingly haven't the faintest
notion of basic syntax.
The material you present should be structured in some manner. You will find you will have to spend a lot less time repeating yourself if you say what
you have to say at the beginning in a clear way. MP420, your posts in particular are basically the same seven or eight words shuffled around into
different combinations, separated by ... The effect of this repetition is not, to me at least, making your position stronger, it's just boring and
conveys a sense that you are not really conversant on your own topics. Endeavor to improve your vocabularies. MP420 you state that you use the
dictionary to learn from, but if this is so it is not evident from your posts.
Sourcing your statements is incredibly important. You should be studying, collecting, learning and building up material to draw your arguments and
statements from. Let the voices of others make your argument for you as much as possible. Entering into discussions using specific information is
somewhat nerve-racking because it gives potential opposition something concrete to criticize you on. But if you enter into a public forum, people
with different ideas then yours are going to come after you anyway. You guys, especially MP420, could really benefit from having something
substantial to say in reply.
Improving your tone and the respect you show for other posters on these boards will make your time here much easier. If you just insult or threaten
people who disagree with you many people will just dismiss you altogether as a troll. I tend to treat people how I'm treated and I think that most
people do. If you want people to listen to your ideas then you should really listen to what they have to say in return. That's what communication
is all about.
You chastise me for assuming when you refer to "still looking through material eyes" that you are implying the alternative is spiritual eyes, but
then you preached to me for three quasi-paragraphs using spiritual terms. I'm not sure why you would expect me, at this point, to be swayed or
convinced by watered down New Agey Gnosticism. I don't believe the material world is a fake, or a trap or anything like that and it would take far
more compelling material then what you've presented to me so far to convince me otherwise. No offense, but a psychologist reading what you presented
in that post would likely suspect that you were having trouble integrating your various states of consciousness. Unfortunately the brain and nervous
systems do not come with instruction manuals and comprehending our own perceptions has been a manifest problem throughout recorded history.
Seriously, if you feel that you have "inner" and "outer" parcels of knowledge that are in conflict as you describe it you are experiencing a state
of dissociation that is not the common experience of all people that you seem to think that it is. You end once again suggesting that I am some kind
of Christian or theist of any kind and I again have to wonder how much you are paying attention to what other people are saying to you.
Mesopotamian mythology is a great source of wisdom, but it reads as rather meaningless when you make no attempt to source to the author whose
interpretation you're working from or even the original texts. Here is the Sacred Texts
Ancient Near East
A few things about the prevalent use of Mesopotamian mythologies in arguing this unnovel god/aliens issue. First of all we have mere fragments of
sources for deriving a clear picture of these ancient polytheistic systems. I don't immediately know of a single complete example, some one correct
me if I'm wrong. The fragments that we do have are translated. All of the languages of that era and area are dead languages. Translations can vary
wildly. One of the biggest problems that arise from translations is that the translator's conceptions are in many ways restrained by their own
cultural perspective. This is especially true when dealing with terms of psychophysical dualism. Beyond this there is the fact that you are very
literally reading the poetic language of these mythologies. Comprehending poetic conceptions is a major wall in interpreting mythology, and you are
far from alone being stuck at that level. It is in the nature of humankind to allegorize matters of nature that are difficult to comprehend. This is
as true today as it was 7,000 years ago.
Raphael, your post is much better composed and presented then those of MP420 and plague, but your single source is some kind of New Age merchant. A
direct link to the material you utilized would make it easier to discuss. Your presentation on the Golden Mean is an interesting piece of geometry,
but in what way does it prove the existence of god(s) or aliens? The physical universe has physical laws that can be described and investigated
through mathematics. If you wanted to investigate the complex and wholly provable mathematics involved in existence, then you should study math and
physics, integral components of rational understanding.
Thank you for citing your sources. I'm trying, with my lazy brain, to follow what you're saying. I think that it is that god(s) is energy,
positive and negative, and that your thoughts are energy and thus that means your thoughts are god. Is that right? So your primary source is
yourself, which is what I suspected. The other sources you mentioned were the Internet, the dictionary and the Bible. The only named source is the
one you've been heavily deriding throughout your posts so I find it a strange item for you to invoke at this time. Could you be more specific about
your material? What Internet sites are you learning from, and have you checked out their sources? Author names, site links, texts referred to, and
specific passages from the Bible and other mythological volumes, please.
To me, the most telling part of the link you provided for the Niburian Council is the
Nibiruan Council Workshops
$423 dollars for three hour-long phone conversations and three session tapes. That's a bargain, eh? Please do not give these people any money as
they are obviously cons preying on easy marks. There is nothing any organization like this can teach you that you cannot learn on your own for free
and one would think a group presenting such lofty interests like uniting the planets would offer their wisdom at a more reasonable price.
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