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And you are correct that there are stone structures all around the world, there are many right there in the Mediterreanean region that we know little or nothing about. But I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. Especially the structures that we don't even know who used them. I mean, we can't even speculate about whether or not these[ structures were built with the methods the Egyptians could have used - many of these haven't even been dated. Obviously, they were built by somebody. We have no evidence of any ancient advanced civilization. So until we do (if ever,) it only makes sense to assume the civilizations we know built the structures that (like the pyramids) we at least know something about. Especially when construction experts can devise a perfectly reasonable method for them having done so. As for the structures that we can't date and can't associate with any particular civilization, again, absent any evidence of anything out of the ordinary, it only makes sense to assume these were built by local residents of the areas where they are located. Harte
I'm not sure what it is that is being said in these statements, but I assure you that I, at least, absolutely do know about the arguments concerning pi and the pyramids, and I also know that the concept of pi exists wherever there is a closed loop (you know, like maybe even an orbit.)
Originally posted by Allred5923
Do you actually believe that the definition of "PI" was an actual refferance to the number? It is an Abherent" concept. we have invented "PI" for to teach every other young person of our principles of basic "Physics". Though it applies to many of "OUR" mathematical solutions, it does not mean we are correct under the assumptions of it's plausibilities. It was created by "US" the human being's of this planet. If I were you, "I would think out-side the box, before trying to reclaim something that you have 'NO-IDEA' over."
Originally posted by flighttraumajunkie
I don't know if anyone is interested, but another possible source of info, on this subject, is a book called Fingerprints of the Gods. The author is Graham Hancock, and published by Three Rivers Press. It is not exactly about Antarctica being Atlantis, but is does shed some light on the "history" of Antarctica. Good reading!!!!
Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they're not out to get you!
8 RECONNAISSANCE TECHNICAL SQUADRON (SAC) UNITED STATES AIRFORCE
Westover Airforce Base
6 July 1960
SUBJECT: Admiral Piri Reis World Map To: Professor Charles H. Hapgood, Keene College,
Keene, New Hampshire.
Dear Professor Hapgood,
Your request for evaluation of certain unusual features of the Piri Reis World Map of
1513 by this organization has been reviewed.
The claim that the lower part of the map portrays the Princess Martha Coast of Queen Maud Land Antarctica, and the Palmer Peninsula, is reasonable. We find this is the most logical and in all probability the correct interpretation of the map.
The geographical detail shown in the lower part of the map agrees very remarkably with the results of the seismic profile made across the top of the ice-cap by the Swedish- British Antarctic Expedition of 1949.
This indicates the coastline had been mapped before it was covered by the ice-cap.
The ice-cap in this region is now about a mile thick.
We have no idea how the data on this map can be reconciled with the supposed state of geographical knowledge in 1513.
HAROLD Z. OHLMEYER Lt Colonel, USAF Commander
1 It had been copied and compiled from several earlier source maps drawn up according to a number of different projections.
2 It did indeed show non-glacial conditions in coastal regions of Antarctica, notably Queen Maud Land, Enderby Land, Wilkes Land, Victoria Land (the east coast of the Ross Sea), and Marie Byrd Land.
3 As in the case of the Piri Reis Map, the general profile of the terrain, and the visible physical features, matched closely seismic survey maps of the subglacial land surfaces of Antarctica.
The Piri Reis and Oronteus Finaeus Maps therefore provide us with a glimpse of Antarctica as no cartographer in historical times could possibly have seen it. On their own, of course, these two pieces of evidence should not be sufficient to persuade us that we might be gazing at the fingerprints of a lost civilization. Can three, or four, or six such maps, however, be dismissed with equal justification?
Originally posted by mccainz
Antarctica has been covered by ice for approx 35 million years. This is not a debatable point (well I guess anything is debatable, even positions that are indefensible) This makes it highly difficult for any ancient civilization to have knowledge of the underlying topography. As always the most probable answer should not be thrown out simply because it isnt the most interesting. Belief in the existence of a Terra Australis (southern continent) had existed since the Greeks. The idea was that the northern continents had to be balanced by a southern continent. This continent was included on many different maps in antiquity and especially on european maps in the 15th-18th centuries.
Lorenzo Burroughs, chief of the 8th Reconnaissance Technical Squadron’s Cartographic Section at Westover Air Base, made a particularly close study of the Oronteus Finaeus Map. He concluded that some of the sources upon which it was based must have been drawn up by means of a projection similar to the modern Cordiform Projection. This, said Burroughs:
suggests the use of advanced mathematics. Further, the shape given to the Antarctic Continent suggests the possibility, if not the probability, that the original source maps were compiled on a stereographic or gnomonic type of projection involving the use of spherical trigonometry.
Originally posted by Telos
Originally posted by mccainz
Antarctica has been covered by ice for approx 35 million years.
35 milion years... according to whom?
Originally posted by Essan
According to all available geological knowledge. Sediment cores, for example:
As for the Piri Re'is map - it depicts S America down to Tierra del Fuego. The fact that the entrance to the Staits of Magellan is shown as a bay indicates whoever drew the map did not sail through to the eastern side of the continent:
The Oronteus Finaeus World Map also commands attention: it
successfully places the coasts of Antarctica in correct latitudes and
relative longitudes and finds a remarkably accurate area for the continent
as a whole. This reflects a level of geographical knowledge not available
until the twentieth century.
Originally posted by mccainz
A host of other problems exist with this map and the Antarctica as Atlantis theory. If you ignore the geological evidence from ice-cores and insist that Antarctica was more or less temperate at the time of Plato's Atlantis then you must explain where all the water from the melting ice went. We should see a 260 foot spike in sea levels followed by a drop of the same amount as the continent refroze. This would appear in the geologic records as a sea level roughly 150 feet higher than today's sea level and there is absolutely no evidence for this. Also, you would have to explain how such a severe localized warming and then refreezing could occur over a single continent in such a short period of time. Remember, glaciation started in Antarctica 35 million years ago and took many millions of years to sock the continent under. How do we recreate this on a timescale reduced to accomodate our wildest Atlantean wishes?
Albert Einstein investigated the possibility that the weight of the ice-caps, which
are not symmetrically distributed about the pole, might cause such a
displacement. Einstein wrote: ‘The earth’s rotation acts on these unsymmetrically
deposited masses, and produces centrifugal momentum that is transmitted to the
rigid crust of the earth. The constantly increasing centrifugal momentum
produced this way will, when it reaches a certain point, produce a movement of
the earth’s crust over the earth’s body, and this will displace the polar regions
towards the equator.
When Einstein wrote these words  the astronomical causes of ice ages were
not fully appreciated. When the shape of the earth’s orbit deviates from a perfect
circle by more than one per cent, the gravitational influence of the sun increases,
exercising more pull on the planet and its massive ice sheets. Their ponderous
weight pushes against the crust and this immense pressure, combined with the
greater incline in the earth’s tilt [another changing factor of the orbital geometry]
forces the crust to shift ...
Originally posted by Telos
Eassn I wonder if you read my post. It specifies clearly that the map shows Queen Maud Land and not only Tierra del Fuego. In the map the coast of Queen Mad is ice-free.
For more info check Hapgood materials on google or read Fingerprints of the God (has been quoted there so many times).