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what is up with "white nationalism"?

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posted on Aug, 30 2006 @ 09:52 PM
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Originally posted by thesnafued1

Someone asked what was up with white nationalism, and you got the answer. What is wrong with trying to preserve your people?


Because it encourages hate against other people.


It doesn't matter who wants to do it, everyone should take pride in where they are from.


That's different than "preserving your people".




posted on Aug, 31 2006 @ 11:48 AM
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Originally posted by XphilesPhan

and how do you make this brillant deduction?


Well, mostly because you tried to pass StormFront off as anything but a hateful white supremecist group. I almost thought you were joking.


They dont understand what exactly?


Allow me to rephrase that... You do understand it, you were just trying desperately to polish a turd and got called on it. Bandit only solidified my arguement with his experiences there.


your point of view is the only thing those "jackasses" dont seem to agree with and it isnt because they dont grasp or understand it.


I know...its because you're racist.


Why does every issue like this have to turn into a questioning of one's intellect? Is that the best rebuttal you can offer?


Sorry, I backtracked on this above. You can be smart. I won't question that. But anyone who promotes StormFront is racist IMO. I have plenty of pretty decent rebuttals. Probably not enough to satisfy a racist, but thats not really my agenda.



posted on Sep, 2 2006 @ 06:32 AM
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Originally posted by TheBandit795

Originally posted by thesnafued1

Someone asked what was up with white nationalism, and you got the answer. What is wrong with trying to preserve your people?


Because it encourages hate against other people.


Interesting....

Not that I support any white "nationalist" (a nation? WTF?...Anyway) movement, your reply made me think. You don't like groups of white people sticking up for their culture/identity whatever? Ok...

Lets take the BNP in the UK, as I know it better than the US groups, but they are not a "kill all blacks" party, rather a party promoting, rightly or wrongly, the defence of the British identity in the face of a "tide of immigrants" who seek to preserve their own culture upon arriving here, which is fact, as you only have to look around to realise that.

Now, is it ok for them to also trying to "preserve their way of life"? Is this only allowed by non-white communities? How come, when white people complain about their own way of life being change, disrupted or destroyed - against their wishes - it is racist and shouln't be allowed?

All I say is, if it's good for the goose, then it's good for the gander. If Blacks, Chinese, Asian or whatever can come to our country and surplant our culture with their own, rather than assimilating (which they are not), then why can the average white Joe Bloggs not also do the same and seek to preserve his own cultural identity?

Now, for the record, I do not mind immigration. My country was built on it, the same as the USA, but when 600,000+ people come in 18 months and due to the numbers, just overwhelm the native population where they settle, that is not a good things.

Now, I am probably going to get called on this by some members, who'll claim that this doesn't happen and 600,000 spread round the country is not much.

Now, that would be true if they were spread round the country, but they are not. Here, in my home town of Reading, we now have a huge Polish community.

By far one of the largest in the area. 3 Years ago, you wouldn't have seen hide nor hair of a Pole and now you can't help but bump into them everywhere you go.

My part of town has changed from a mixed race community to a predominately Polish community in less than 18 months. How is that good?



posted on Sep, 16 2006 @ 03:43 AM
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Originally posted by TheBandit795

Originally posted by thesnafued1

Someone asked what was up with white nationalism, and you got the answer. What is wrong with trying to preserve your people?


Because it encourages hate against other people.


Oh? how?

arent groups like "black panthers" and all them doing exactly the same?

here's a news flash for you.....White Nationalists and Black Speratists ACTUALLY AGREE!

of course if the two groups had their way about things, a negotitaion for lands would have to take place but it isnt likely to happen. Not until the viewpoints become widely accepted.



posted on Sep, 16 2006 @ 10:26 AM
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Black panthers are often as racist as neo-nazi's. They also encourage hate. so don't get me wrong. I hate all forms of racism.

And any population of people that want to go into another's country and keep only their own culture and not adopt at least some of the host country they live in I consider selfish. And that encourages hate from those immigrants towards the locals and vice versa.

I don't support any group of people who call for purifying of race because before they're born and after they die they have no race and no color. We are all human beings in this life, and we are all connected via our core beings.



posted on Sep, 18 2006 @ 06:07 PM
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Originally posted by TheBandit795
Black panthers are often as racist as neo-nazi's. They also encourage hate. so don't get me wrong. I hate all forms of racism.

And any population of people that want to go into another's country and keep only their own culture and not adopt at least some of the host country they live in I consider selfish. And that encourages hate from those immigrants towards the locals and vice versa.

I don't support any group of people who call for purifying of race because before they're born and after they die they have no race and no color. We are all human beings in this life, and we are all connected via our core beings.


i agree with you there bandit, but the biggest difference between neo-nazis and the black panthers is that the panthers were created as a reactionary protective group. they were supposed to use violence only in response to violence. some of them are also for protective racial seperatism.

aren't we all shades of red and brown on the inside?



posted on Oct, 9 2006 @ 06:46 PM
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I read what most wrote above and thought that I might add what I thought to this discussion.

I do not care how racist I sound here, but here it is:

I go to a highschool with 52 ethnicities. It is absolutely ridiculous. There is no way that 52 different types of people that could be shoved into a tiny little school without a shooting, rape, or at least fight. Those three are a constant in my school, and in the neighboring catholic school, where all are white, there are no murders, rapes, or most-of-the-time fights.

This country started off as white, and will end up white. That is just the way it is. Don't cry.

Also, everyone says that every other ethnicity is being discriminated against. Well, the only race that is discriminated against anymore is the white, and we're not crying. Here is the prrof that whites are all being discriminated against:

1. There is BET; if there was ever a WET, there would probably be a WWIII.
2. There is the NAACP; yes, that is the association for COLORED PEOPLE, not white.
3. My friend's father went for a job not too long ago, and he did not get it. You know why? It's because there is some law saying you have to have so many colored people to white people. So, yes, a colored person got that job, instead of a white man, but he didn't cry.
4. THERE IS BLACK HISTORY MONTH. If there was ever a white history month, wow, whites would never hear the end of it.

I have one more point to make. How long ago was slavery? About 150-200 years ago? That does not mean that I earned slaves. That does not even mean that my great grandfather owned slaves. So why are we the ones hearing it? I never did anything wrong to you, until you told me that I was doing wrong unto you.

I completely support the people fighting White Pride in this discussion. I was never the one who promoted hate and violence, stop saying my race has. That was years ago. So stop complaining, or go back to your own country, no one wants to hear it.



posted on Nov, 20 2006 @ 10:22 PM
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Originally posted by dupw25
I read what most wrote above and thought that I might add what I thought to this discussion.

I do not care how racist I sound here, but here it is:

I go to a highschool with 52 ethnicities. It is absolutely ridiculous. There is no way that 52 different types of people that could be shoved into a tiny little school without a shooting, rape, or at least fight. Those three are a constant in my school, and in the neighboring catholic school, where all are white, there are no murders, rapes, or most-of-the-time fights.


wrong, that is due to the discipline, structure, and exclusion of "bad apples" that private schools practice



This country started off as white, and will end up white. That is just the way it is. Don't cry.

this country was built on the corpses of native americans by black slaves...

yeah, that's the type of america everyone wants to live in




Also, everyone says that every other ethnicity is being discriminated against. Well, the only race that is discriminated against anymore is the white, and we're not crying. Here is the prrof that whites are all being discriminated against:

breaking this one down point by point


1. There is BET; if there was ever a WET, there would probably be a WWIII.

there are a lot of "WET" networks, hell, friends was a show that took place in new york with less than a dozen black people through it's entire run



2. There is the NAACP; yes, that is the association for COLORED PEOPLE, not white.

the NAACP was created to stop post-slavery jim crowe discrimination, white people haven't really had that sort of discrimination



3. My friend's father went for a job not too long ago, and he did not get it. You know why? It's because there is some law saying you have to have so many colored people to white people. So, yes, a colored person got that job, instead of a white man, but he didn't cry.

QUOTA BASED AFFIRMITIVE ACTION IS A MYTH
it is actually quite illegal, so you must have no idea what you are talking about



4. THERE IS BLACK HISTORY MONTH. If there was ever a white history month, wow, whites would never hear the end of it.

white history month? what do you call march through january?
is that not enough?



I have one more point to make. How long ago was slavery? About 150-200 years ago? That does not mean that I earned slaves. That does not even mean that my great grandfather owned slaves. So why are we the ones hearing it? I never did anything wrong to you, until you told me that I was doing wrong unto you.


slavery isn't the only problem
there are plenty of them
like the white supremicist power structure that persisted through the mid 20th century



I completely support the people fighting White Pride in this discussion. I was never the one who promoted hate and violence, stop saying my race has. That was years ago. So stop complaining, or go back to your own country, no one wants to hear it.


go back to your own country?!
why don't you go back to europe and give the native americans their land back?



posted on Nov, 20 2006 @ 10:33 PM
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Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
i agree with you there bandit, but the biggest difference between neo-nazis and the black panthers is that the panthers were created as a reactionary protective group. they were supposed to use violence only in response to violence. some of them are also for protective racial seperatism.

aren't we all shades of red and brown on the inside?


No offense man but I got no reason to believe that you would be a loving and kind ruler if you were wielding power over the rest of us.



posted on Nov, 20 2006 @ 10:37 PM
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please, let's not start with the personal stuff.

edit to add...and I'm not talking about just the post above this one either.

[edit on 20/11/06 by masqua]



posted on Nov, 20 2006 @ 10:41 PM
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Originally posted by denythestatusquo

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
i agree with you there bandit, but the biggest difference between neo-nazis and the black panthers is that the panthers were created as a reactionary protective group. they were supposed to use violence only in response to violence. some of them are also for protective racial seperatism.

aren't we all shades of red and brown on the inside?


No offense man but I got no reason to believe that you would be a loving and kind ruler if you were wielding power over the rest of us.



actually
i agree
i'd make a horrible ruler
then again, i do not seek political power
all i want is to be a voice
a voice that informs

power is for those that want it



posted on Nov, 20 2006 @ 10:44 PM
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I am a white male.

Everywhere I look, whether it be on television, newspaper, movies, music, books, or ANYTHING recorded for the past 200 years, I have someone telling me why I should apologize.

Frankly, I am SICK of it.

I haven't owned a slave, I have never beaten a woman, nor do I believe I am better than anyone else simply because my skin is a different color than someone else's.

I will not apologize for being born white, I will not apologize for being male, and I will NOT apologize for being PROUD of both.

This thread might be about a more slanted view of White Pride, but the arguements are always the same. I am not guilty for the sins of my fathers, nor will I pay for them all my life and pass that guilt on to my children.



posted on Nov, 21 2006 @ 02:47 PM
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Originally posted by HankMcCoy
I am not guilty for the sins of my fathers, nor will I pay for them all my life and pass that guilt on to my children.


Playing devil's advocate for a sec...The argument is that us white folks are still enjoying the benefits of slavery, which is definitely true. Generation after generation have utilized that stepping stone, whether they realize/acknowledge it or not.



posted on Nov, 21 2006 @ 03:06 PM
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Americans of every color enjoy the protection of a wealthy nation that was built on slave labor, child labor, and other less than noble institutions, and I will not pay for it when my dark skinned neighbors can openly embrace it.



posted on Nov, 21 2006 @ 05:11 PM
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Everyone is enjoying the fruits of past or present supression or abuse of other people. That's how it is right now. I don't like it. But we have to let the past be the past.

My great-great-great grandmother was a slave, and I'm not asking anyone to apologize verbally or financially for that. That happened over 150 years ago.



posted on Nov, 22 2006 @ 03:52 AM
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I thought white nationalism was a celebration of white people's roots. If that's the case, I don't have a problem with it.



posted on Nov, 22 2006 @ 06:32 PM
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Originally posted by laiguana
I thought white nationalism was a celebration of white people's roots. If that's the case, I don't have a problem with it.


unfortunately, it isn't

white nationalism is a celebration of the horrible exploitation of other races in america and a yearning for a homogenous white america



posted on Nov, 22 2006 @ 06:37 PM
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Originally posted by DaFunk13

Originally posted by HankMcCoy
I am not guilty for the sins of my fathers, nor will I pay for them all my life and pass that guilt on to my children.


Playing devil's advocate for a sec...The argument is that us white folks are still enjoying the benefits of slavery, which is definitely true. Generation after generation have utilized that stepping stone, whether they realize/acknowledge it or not.


Those benefits are disappearing very fast my friend.
Witness liberalism, socialism, feminism, the NWO, globalism and most of all immigration.

There is an increasing white underclass being produced while the white elites are untouched. But one day they will die off then we are finished.



posted on Nov, 23 2006 @ 12:26 AM
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Originally posted by madnessinmysoul

Originally posted by laiguana
I thought white nationalism was a celebration of white people's roots. If that's the case, I don't have a problem with it.


unfortunately, it isn't

white nationalism is a celebration of the horrible exploitation of other races in america and a yearning for a homogenous white america


That is somewhat true, many WNs want a homogenous america. I am not so unrealistic as to believe that this is possible and frankly, Its a rollback in progress.

However, you canot even say "white pride" without racist cannotations being tagged on to it. However, mexicans walk around with "brown pride" or viva la raza "long live the race" (which sounds pretty damn racist to me) all the time.

White people are just sick of it, look at michael richards. He went off on a rant and shouted the N-word a few times and now his career is over, not to mention the money he will have to give the two in the audience that are looking for a hand out.
Yet, there is a video of a black professor, something camroon cant remember his name, advocating the destruction of white people and that didnt get so much as a peep and I am tired of it!

Damn it! Why is our freedom of speech curtailed? Why do we have freedom of speech as long as we dont offend a group of people by saying a word they say every damn day?!



posted on Nov, 24 2006 @ 10:30 AM
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XphilesPhan, the problem is that the white man is the one who has been the historical oppressor

the problem seems to be that when some obscure professor calls for the destruction of the "white race" NOBODY HEARS ABOUT IT

if it was someone with even mild celebrity status, we would hear about it and they would get some crap over it

and the audience members aren't asking for a hand out, they're asking for repayment for public humiliation at an event that they paid to attend



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