Teach Girls in Afghanistan and You Will Be Killed!

A teacher of a secondary school has repeated received letters reportedly from Taliban warning him that if he did not stop teaching girls that were attending his classes, he would suffer the consequences. Laghmani the teacher ignored these threats since he enjoyed teaching both the boys as well as the girls.
On Thursday, two maked gunmen entered the school and ordered Laghmani to stop teaching the girls, when Laghmani ignored them, he was dragged from his classroom to the front gates of the school and he was murdered in front of his students.
The Taliban had outlawed teaching girls while they had been in powere in Afghanistan.
Afghan teacher killed for teaching girls

Suspected Taliban guerrillas dragged a teacher from a classroom of teenagers in southern Afghanistan and killed him at the school gate after he ignored their orders to stop teaching girls, police said on Friday.
The attack was carried out by two armed men who arrived at the secondary school in the Nad Ali district of Helmand province by motorcycle on Thursday, Helmand police chief Abdul Rahman Sabir told Reuters.

Another grand example of these insurgents..... oops again.... freedom fighters, and the lengths that they will go to once again gain power in Afghanistan. It is also a great example, of just how weak their case is. They cannot afford to let the people to become educated. Educated people are much harder to control as they will question what the uneducated would just accept as normal life.

What a Hero this teacher was...Laghmani is a Hero that should be on the front of every newspaper in America.

The rotten, stinkin media tosses the "Hero" word around so much, that it loses its meaning, but Laghmani was as brave as any combat soldier.

The Jihad-Punks are desparete in Afghanistan and this horrible event will burn in these childrens memories forever. The next generation of Afgans is coming up and their not going to be fans of radical islam.

Maximu§

I wonder how many stories like this came out from Afganistan in the Cold War, when the Taliban were allies with the US and the CIA.

Somewhere close to ZERO.

OR,
how many stories, similar to this one, do we get from Saudi Arabia?

Somewhere close to ZERO.

Forgive me, but I am not saying that it is OKEY to shoot people, because they teach girls - but this news could not be any better for those that try to demonize their Islamic enemies.

And don't forget - it is not INSURGENTS - it is the Enemies of the Elected Afganistan Goverment.

Is this a new kind of democracy? The Afghan way? "Teach girls and Die"?

A job posting would be something like: Hero's needed for school teaching.

Were is the democracy in Afghanistan?
Where is the protection of the democratic citizens?

I'm afraid that soon Afghanistan will return to what it was, a barbarian state!

If this happens with US forces in ground i wonder what will be when those forces leave.

I agree with LA_Maximus, the teacher must be a hero.

Peace
Crustas

Laghmani is definitely a hero in my eyes. I once watched a bollywood flick about a similar story, but it ended happily. The thing is, incidents like these happen all over the world but we rarely hear of them unless it serves another purpose. Where are the stories from the Sudan and Africa, stories of hero doctors, teachers and humanitarians?

I'm so jaded by the media at this point, that even this story reeks of propaganda to me.

Originally posted by Souljah
I wonder how many stories like this came out from Afganistan in the Cold War, when the Taliban were allies with the US and the CIA.

Somewhere close to ZERO.

It's hard to make someone amused and outraged at the same time, yet you have succeeded on this topic. Only a myopic propagandist would dare enter in this discussion with anything other than hat in hand, and a full condemnation of this action.

First, the Taliban was never in power during the Cold War, and they were just one of many mujahideen factions fighting the Soviets during the occupation from 1979-1989.

www.infoplease.com...

So your attempt to deflect and obfuscate this issue is moot.

Here's a pre 9/11 Taliban gem, care to defend this:

www.usatoday.com...

It's difficult when the storyline is etched in stone, a difficult material to twist.

Forgive me, but I am not saying that it is OKEY to shoot people, because they teach girls - but this news could not be any better for those that try to demonize their Islamic enemies.

Sure sounds like an apology, and if looks like an Islamofascist apologist, and if it sounds like an Islamofascist apologist, it must be one.

My apologies to any ducks that may be offended at the similarity to their age old adage.



[edit on 16/12/2005 by Mirthful Me]

Originally posted by Mirthful Me
First, the Taliban was never in power during the Cold War, and they were just one of many mujahideen factions fighting the Soviets during the occupation from 1979-1989.

So you think the Mujahideen Factions treated their Women any better then the Taliban do Today?

No Mujahideen - No Taliban.

No CIA - No Mujahideen.

Right?

Here's a pre 9/11 Taliban gem, care to defend this:

www.usatoday.com...

It's difficult when the storyline is etched in stone, a difficult material to twist.

From the Link you Provided:

1. Buddhism is an easy target for fundamentalist Muslims. As Richard Foltz documents in his book, Religions on the Silk Road, "Although Islamic law offered protection to 'peoples of the Book,' namely Christians, Jews, and by some interpretations Zoroastrians, the early Muslims were generally hostile towards Buddhists.

Let's remember who put the Fundamentalist Muslims to power in Afganistan. Can you say CIA?

2. Bamiyan was a base of the Taliban's opposition — Northern Alliance's "rebel" forces led by ousted Afghani President Borhanuddin Rabbani. How could the Taliban better humiliate the locals than to destroy their heritage?

Psy-Ops?

3. Taliban government for more than a year has been requesting international humanitarian aid for a country ravaged by drought, earthquakes, and war. No aid is forthcoming as long as the Taliban harbor international terrorists such as Osama bin Laden, an anathema to key voting members of the UN Security Council, including the United States, Russia (where the Taliban are working with the Chechnyan rebels), and China (where the Taliban are active among Muslim separatists).

As the Taliban see it, the UN and others (such as New York's Metropolitan Museum of Art, the British Museum, Taiwan's National Palace Museum, and even such Taliban friends as Iran, Pakistan, and Sri Lanka) will give millions of dollars to save un-Islamic stone statues but not one cent to save the lives of Afghani men, women, and children.

Stones over Lives, ey?

There's your Justice.

Originally posted by Souljah
Forgive me, but I am not saying that it is OKEY to shoot people, because they teach girls - but this news could not be any better for those that try to demonize their Islamic enemies.

Ah, the but... monkey syndrome. You know, when people try their best to act like they care or support you, then make interjections that say the opposite afterwords. You can purchase one for yourself here.


"I don't think it's right to blow yourself up in a crowded coffee shop, but... those darn (Insert Western culture) took over our land."


[edit on 16-12-2005 by dbates]

Souljah,
The Taliban who came into power in 1996 did not have to kill teachers who ignored the Taliban laws against teaching girls. If a teacher was found to be teaching a girl, they were fired from their teaching jobs. The teachers were ostrisized for teaching girls. The girls that were caught in these classes were whipped and abused by the Ministry for the Promotion of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice and their gangs of youthful thugs.
A quick search of google will quickly reveal to you that there were many cases of such abuses against women that were reported in the western media during the Taliban reign. I suggest that you also take a look at a group called RAWA which was a group of women who ran secret schools for girls in Afghanistan and who worked out of refugee camps in Pakistan to get the word out to the world of the atrocities that the Taliban commited against women.
Sorry my friend, you need to check your facts before making such assertions

The quote you forgot to include regarding the Buddhist statues:

Any destruction of archaeological remains is an indefensible crime against humanity.

I fear archaeological terrorism — this ultimatum of "give us what we want or we will destroy our enemies' (and the world's) heritage."

No matter, an agenda is a truly crippling affliction.

Originally posted by Souljah
So you think the Mujahideen Factions treated their Women any better then the Taliban do Today?

No, but it's not the Taliban exclusively... It's Fundamentalist Islamofascist that perpetrate these acts, not just in Afghanistan but throughout the Muslim world. The point you're missing due to your continued myopic bleating of "CIA! CIA!" is that all of these acts are condoned and carried out by free willed individuals (as free as their Mullahs will allow them to be) that subscribe to a particular belief. You in turn find any means to lift the burden of responsibility and place it square on the shoulders of the West. Or are you saying that the various religious and ethnic factions throughout the Middle East would be unable to organize a toilet paper party on a local synagogue without the CIA holding their respective hands?

I hear the Mossad provides good direction as well.

Buck up and take some responsibility... You’re making the entirety of Islam sound like a bunch of kids with an empty cookie jar and crumbs all over their faces.

This is news? Afghanistan is now once again ruled by warlords. Other than Kabul, which is the only place in the country that President Karzai actually has any power, the entire country is carved up into territories that are ruled by tribal warlords.

And incidentally, the prophet Mohammed always said that men and women should both be educated. This is Muslim extremism at work in Afghanistan, not the norm.


Women's rights are just as bad in Saudi Arabia, and they're an ally of the US, aren't they?

Saudi women can't vote. They can't go out in public without a male escort. Many houses have a separate entrance and living room for women. A woman needs written permission from a man to do almost anything: to get an education, to get a job, and even to buy a plane ticket.

Although half of Saudia Arabia's college graduates are women, they only comprise 5% of the workforce. So women's rights are just as terrible in Saudi Arabia than in Afghanistan.

I don't think this is necessarily a way to retain power for the Taliban and extremists in Afghanistan. I think it's more of a misogynist intepretation of religious doctrine. Most religions traditionally don't give much leeway to our mother and sisters.

Originally posted by kenshiro2012
They cannot afford to let the people to become educated. Educated people are much harder to control as they will question what the uneducated would just accept as normal life.

But isn't this what we're trying to avoid in America, the liberal intellectual elites?

You gotta decide what you want here.

Originally posted by Jakomo

This is news? Afghanistan is now once again ruled by warlords. Other than Kabul, which is the only place in the country that President Karzai actually has any power, the entire country is carved up into territories that are ruled by tribal warlords.

And incidentally, the prophet Mohammed always said that men and women should both be educated. This is Muslim extremism at work in Afghanistan, not the norm.


Women's rights are just as bad in Saudi Arabia, and they're an ally of the US, aren't they?

Saudi women can't vote. They can't go out in public without a male escort. Many houses have a separate entrance and living room for women. A woman needs written permission from a man to do almost anything: to get an education, to get a job, and even to buy a plane ticket.

Although half of Saudia Arabia's college graduates are women, they only comprise 5% of the workforce. So women's rights are just as terrible in Saudi Arabia than in Afghanistan.

I don't think this is necessarily a way to retain power for the Taliban and extremists in Afghanistan. I think it's more of a misogynist intepretation of religious doctrine. Most religions traditionally don't give much leeway to our mother and sisters.

Exactly. If you want to reform Afghanistan, you gotta convert them all to Christians. Even that probably won't be enough.

I also expect our government, as long as they're carrying on this policy, to force-feed and change the governments and societies of countries like Saudi Arabia as well. Living in Saudi Arabia is hell for a woman.

Originally posted by sweatmonicaIdo
Exactly. If you want to reform Afghanistan, you gotta convert them all to Christians. Even that probably won't be enough.

Ummm... excuse me, but I hope you were trying to be sarcastic there. Why do we need to "convert them all to Christians"?? When will you people ever learn?

[edit on 12-16-2005 by worldwatcher]

sweatmonicaIdo,
That may or not may not be the case in the US. That is a whole different ball of wax that would take up a completely new thread to address properly.
I did not just take the Public education route, I studied my own subjects and included many a private school in my educational career. Some of the books that I read and still own today are banned books which were very difficult to obtain.
I send my son to public school, but I carefully monitor what he is taught and I add to his education (at home) what facts, information that was either glossed over or totally ignored by the teachers.
It is the responsibility of the parents as well as the students in the US to govern their own education. If they allow the goverment or any single organization to dictate what can or cannot be taught then they can and should be called "sheeeple"

One good thing (to get back on the topic of the thread and away from my ranting on this subject ) At least in the US , we do not kill our teachers / professors / educators for actually trying to teach. They may get fired, but not murdered and especially not in front of the students!

Originally posted by Souljah


No Mujahideen - No Taliban.

No CIA - No Mujahideen.

Right?

Umm... NO The Mujahideen existed before the CIA gave them any weapons. They were never allies just tools used against the Soviets. The CIA didnt even pick where the weapons went that were poured into Afghanistan nor did they care as long as they were used against the Soviets. Pakistani intel decided which weapons went to which groups in Afghanistan not the CIA. They had to use Pakistani because alot of groups in Afghanistan wouldnt accept weapons from a non-muslim country.

The CIA knew if they poured enough weapons into the area they would get used against the Soviets.

Originally posted by Souljah


Forgive me, but I am not saying that it is OKEY to shoot people, because they teach girls - but this news could not be any better for those that try to demonize their Islamic enemies.

It's obvious that those who want to demonize these islamics a**holes don't have a difficult job, quite the opposite if you ask me.

No wonder why almost the whole civilized world take them for a bunch of retarded religious nuts.

Killing a teacher because he's teaching to little girls... I bet that if we were arresting his 2 murderers we should have tons of peoples to talk about the Geneva Convention and how we have to respect " the rights " of these 2 bas****.

Originally posted by kenshiro2012
sweatmonicaIdo,
That may or not may not be the case in the US. That is a whole different ball of wax that would take up a completely new thread to address properly.
I did not just take the Public education route, I studied my own subjects and included many a private school in my educational career. Some of the books that I read and still own today are banned books which were very difficult to obtain.
I send my son to public school, but I carefully monitor what he is taught and I add to his education (at home) what facts, information that was either glossed over or totally ignored by the teachers.
It is the responsibility of the parents as well as the students in the US to govern their own education. If they allow the goverment or any single organization to dictate what can or cannot be taught then they can and should be called "sheeeple"

But as long as it's the Bush administration dictating the teaching... that's cool!

Of course we don't kill people for trying to teach. That's why this is America, not Afghanistan. What do you want to do about Afghanistan?

Originally posted by Souljah
Let's remember who put the Fundamentalist Muslims to power in Afganistan. Can you say CIA?

No, but I can say Pakistan.
That's who supported the Taliban.

The US helped the people like Ahmed Shah Massoud who were part of the Northern Alliance that fought against the Soviets and then later fought against the Taliban.

Iran also supported the Northern Alliance and the ethnic group called the Hazara which was persecuted by the Taliban.

Originally posted by Souljah
No Mujahideen - No Taliban.

Souljah, do you read?
The link provided by Mirthful Me can be easily substantiated, and as such, specifically mentions that the Taliban was but one group or factions who made up the mujahideen. Can you provide a link indicating that the CIA supported this particular faction of mujahideen, because when you do, then I will provide a couple sources that indicate which groups and factions of the mujahideen the CIA supported, because it was not the entirety of the mujahideen's groups and factions that the CIA supported. As has been indicated, Pakistan supported a number of groups and factions of the mujahideen, and the Taliban was one of them.

You really need to stop spouting your off-topic 'a' typical anti-US rhetoric, or at least when you do, make your assertions factual, not half-factual.


And ultra_phoenix, gosh dern, it is GREAT to see you back and in action. Long time no see, mate. You were missed.




seekerof

[edit on 16-12-2005 by Seekerof]