US Congress challenges the sovereignty of Russian Federation.

On Dec 15th at 9:48 PM resolution 312 was passed by 405 YEAS to 15 NAYS with 13 not voting.

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The resolution was proposed by Rep. Henry J Hyde of Illinois.

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Henry J Hyde and his sponsors strongly supported “Color revolutions’ in ex Soviet block countries. Examples such as Ukrainian “orange” revolution, Georgian revolution, attempted over through of Uzbekistan etc, all of which were openly sponsored by US government.

In all of the above mentioned conflicts, the opposition candidates and their organizations were provided with full financial support and equipment assets, such as printing presses, communication equipment, power generators, radio transmitters, vehicles, etc.

In case of Uzbekistan the equipment was illegally smuggled by both land and air into the country from US military bases. The origin of the equipment was unquestionable since it was clearly stamped as “US government property”.


Outtake form res. 312;
“Whereas the stated concerns of the Government of the Russian Federation regarding the use of nongovernmental organizations by foreign interests and intelligence agencies to undermine the Government of the Russian Federation and the security of the Russian Federation as a whole can be addressed by more limited and appropriate measures;
Whereas the proposed legislation has already passed its first reading in the State Duma and is scheduled for its second reading on an expedited basis;
Whereas Russia's many tragedies and the suffering of her people in the past centuries were made deeper and more enduring by the Russian Government's distancing of the country from the West and rejection of its practices and institutions;
Whereas Russia's destiny and the interests of her people lie in her assumption of her rightful place as a full and equal member of the Western community of democracies; and
Whereas the proposed measures of the Government of the Russian Federation are incompatible with membership in that community: Now, therefore, be it”
Full text: thomas.loc.gov...:H.CON.RES.312:

Two separate nuclear accidents were reported in Russia on Dec 15th.
1) Leningrad nuclear plant located near St. Petersburg reported a metals smelter explosion at 3 AM local time. Three workers were taken to the emergency room in critical condition suffering from 95% burns on their bodies.
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2) Specialized radiation safety plant “Radon” in Grozny city of Chechnya, reported a leakage of 27 to 29 uncontrolled radioactive elements. The most dangerous reported element is Cobalt-60 isotope, radiation levels of which exceeded 58 thousand times of normal levels.
A criminal investigation has been launched.
During 1994 war “Radon” plant reported a theft of caesium-137 and strontium-90. The quantity of stolen radioactive material is unknown.
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On a personal note, considering everything mentioned above, god forbids if all this crap hits the fan, unfortunately it is a very distinct possibility that a “dirty” bomb will be detonated on American soil in the immediate future. I will not be surprised when the radiation signature will be traced to the Radon plant. I’ll let all you to ponder upon what that will lead to.

Dirty bomb does jack all.

Seriously, this has been debunked a million times, and I guess you weren't informed but...the effects of a dirty bomb are so little, and it's impossible - or near impossible that any person's health is effected in their lifetime by their exposure to one of these bombs.


Please tell us more about the bill and exactly in relation to what was it passed - as it, why exactly does the USA care about the proposed Russian legislation.

And tell us more about those nuclear accidents, I've heard nothing of them!

Dirty bomb creates massive, paralyzing panic, looting etc, completely destroys the economy of the effected area, and causes enormous cleanup expenses.

Russian NGO bill focuses on noncommercial and nongovernmental organizations, and mainly on their foreign sponsorship. The bill allows Russian government to clamp down on political organizations which are on the payroll of foreign interest. Such organizations are basically lobbyist pushing agendas of foreign interest.

The “Color revolutions” were organized by such “organizations”, and Duma rightfully considers such activity as a threat to national security, while Res. 312 judges it as an undemocratic action, and labels it as a drift from democratic values.

Our Patriot bill has exactly the same clause, and allows various government agencies to monitor all activity of such political organizations, and unlike the Russian NGO bill, also allows for full surveillance/wiretapping with out the need for do process, yet in the interests of our national security we don’t consider it undemocratic, but as an necessary means to combat terrorism.

Res 312 sends a clear message to Kremlin that we reserve the right to meddle in their internal affairs at any time, and will do what ever the hell we want. It is a political shot across a bow, most likely retaliation to the recent torture and secret jails controversy.

Politically it is a very dangerous and costly move.

I foresee a massive media blitz focusing on supposed Putin’s drift from democracy. The first shot was already fired with the ABC interview of Putin, in which he was portrayed as a dictator bent on turning Russia into a KGB controlled state.

The reality is that certain people in our government are too busy creating a new enemy out of an old one, because the bigger the enemy, the better the business.

edit: spelling

[edit on 16-12-2005 by iskander]

Originally posted by iskander
Dirty bomb creates massive, paralyzing panic, looting etc, completely destroys the economy of the effected area, and causes enormous cleanup expenses.

What? Who told you that?!?!

A dirty bomb has no effect on anything.

And the cleanup wouldn't be very expensive, even the poorest of the countries could afford it, let alone the USA.

Although USA is technically the poorest country lol, but still.

Originally posted by iskanderRussian NGO bill focuses on noncommercial and nongovernmental organizations, and mainly on their foreign sponsorship. The bill allows Russian government to clamp down on political organizations which are on the payroll of foreign interest. Such organizations are basically lobbyist pushing agendas of foreign interest.

I see. Good news for Russia then.

Originally posted by iskander
Res 312 sends a clear message to Kremlin that we reserve the right to meddle in their internal affairs at any time, and will do what ever the hell we want. It is a political shot across a bow, most likely retaliation to the recent torture and secret jails controversy.

Are you serious? USA has as much right to do that as an ant.

I highly doubt USA will accomplish anything by this.

Originally posted by iskander
I foresee a massive media blitz focusing on supposed Putin’s drift from democracy. The first shot was already fired with the ABC interview of Putin, in which he was portrayed as a dictator bent on turning Russia into a KGB controlled state. [/quote]

Lol yeh, gotta hate western media.

I'm not quite sure where you get the idea of that a dirty bomb is no big deal. A dirty bomb detonated anywhere will have serious consiquinces all around ground zero and for those who are in the path of which the wind blows. It is in our favor to find as much of the missing material as possible because belive it or not; it is not a question of if we will have one detonated here in the U.S., it is when.
Loose radioactive material in any form or fashion in the wrong hands, is a serious threat to any govt. and pouplations and you are just kidding yourself if you fail to realize the fact that it is not dangerous. I know I'd want to be as far away from it as possible. But this is America and you are entitled to your own opinion even if it fly's in the face of scientific fact.

someone ikes to selectively quote...

Urging the Government of the Russian Federation to withdraw or modify proposed legislation that would have the effect of severely restricting the establishment, operations, and activities of domestic and foreign nongovernmental organizations in the Russian Federation.

I remeber reading an article that it is generally accepted that there is several back pack size nukes hidden/buried in the USA from the old cold war days when the Soviets beleived that nuclear war was inevitable.
The article went on to say that since the fall of the Soviet Union the information on the location of these weopons became lost as well.

Now thats a bit of a worry if it is indeed true.

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It all seems to work in reverse , what purpose would such a challenge serve ?,maybe the fight is that the US has lost it's sovereignty (which it did a long time ago), and is addressing those who make the accusation , in reverse...