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posted on Dec, 21 2005 @ 10:34 PM
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suzy maybe that signature should read

Australia WAS the promised land




posted on Dec, 22 2005 @ 05:50 AM
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Well I'll let the "promise" remain ambiguous but at least it wasn't a bunch of Australians threatening me with being sued for discussing the issue of Organized Ritual Child Sexual Abuse.

The powerfull and 'connected' may be that way inclined here, but the average Aussie still has no qualms about, "ripping into 'rock spiders' ". It was average Aussies' campaign to speak out, that lead others to suing to shut down debate.

edited 'till I can find a link making a related point.

[edit on 22-12-2005 by suzy ryan]


Cug

posted on Dec, 22 2005 @ 06:15 AM
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Originally posted by suzy ryan
Read all the stories there involving, Reina Michealson, Victoria Police Corruption, The Ombudsman's Office, OTO, for staters as I know these to be factual


You know them to be factual?

Please show how
(a) OTO is not a religion but is rather a child pornography and paedophile ring operating in Australia; (Well the O.T.O. is not a religion... but it's a religious organization.)
(b) members of OTO are paedophiles and producers of child pornography;
(c) members of OTO practise trauma-based mind control, sexual abuse and satanic rituals for the purpose of preventing or discouraging children reporting child abuse by members of OTO to the authorities;
(d) OTO is a satanic cult which practises blood rituals where animals and small children are sacrificed and their blood and organs consumed;
(e) OTO condones the kidnapping of street children, and babies and children from orphanages, for use and sacrifice in their satanic rituals;
(f) OTO hosts parties at which naked children act as waiters and at which . members of OTO have sex with and murder the children;
(g) OTO condones the kidnapping and murder of children; and
(h) members of OTO force children to participate in the production of child pornography and to have sex with other children and adults.

This is what the O.T.O. (Australia) sued over.



posted on Dec, 22 2005 @ 03:57 PM
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Yes, that OTO sued Reina Michaelson over, "reprinting material from their own", is factual.

There is more to the case than the narrow aspect you're so worked up about.
Police refusing to interview witnessess, after giving assurences they would, gives an indication of the injustices practiced by those in power, when called to investigate these people.

Without full investigations, a case can only be won or lost, not 'proven'.

I can't prove (by the requirements of our current legal system) or disprove, that OTO members weren't and aren't 'involved' in the things you listed, many of which I know to go on.

Being a Catholic priest does not mean you are a paedophile, but many paedophile Catholic priests have been proven to have been protected by their church superiors, from the full force of the law, for their 'activities'.

Part of deciding a case, is taking into accout the 'charactor' of the parties involved.

I directed people to a site with links (that also lead me to finding OTO's official site) to beliefs and actions of those involved, as a starting point, for forming their own opinions.

This is a "conspiracy" site. There is a consiracy of silence around well placed and well connected people, involved in cruel, sadistic, sexual acts against children and babies.
IF, any were found to be members of OTO, wouldn't you want them exposed, and punished by LAW rather than hunted down by those who have given up seeking justice through 'proper channels', like one I personally know, who took an axe to his abuser?

I just don't want to see one more victim pushed into taking the law into their own hands. I want people to demand the law do it's job and let justice be seen to be done. They won't do this untill they understand how big the 'problem' is.



posted on Dec, 22 2005 @ 04:16 PM
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Suzy, you failed to respond to Cug's direct questions.. instead you veered off track.. I too would like those questions answered, because those accusations are the biggest load of hogwash I have seen for a long long time.


Cug

posted on Dec, 22 2005 @ 04:43 PM
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Oh while I'm waiting for your reply.

It might interest nowhere on that site do you see a victim of assult claim that the O.T.O. did it.


www.gaiaguys.net...
Mick was introduced to the satanic cult as a very young child by an extended relative. Mick informed me of many experiences he was subjected to as a child in this cult. From everything that I have been told by Mick, the cult appears to be the Order Templis Orientus (Illuminati), operating in Australia. Mick now suffers from MPD/DID but has survived his experiences remarkably well considering the traumas he has been through.


As you can see the brilliant minds behind that site are the ones who came up with the O.T.O. "connection."



posted on Dec, 22 2005 @ 05:13 PM
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Shouldn't this argument be in the SS forum?

My own 2c's, (and correct me if I'm wrong) wasn't Crowley a passive paederast? His poem in 'White Stains'(The Ballad of Passive Paederasty) certainly lends credence to that.

The passage in 'Bagh-I-Muattar' concerning the bleeding youth also makes one think.

Satire or not, would this not lend people that way inclined to take an interest in OTO? (I am in no way condemning the entire fraternity, as we all know, people of the paedophile persuasion are attracted to many fields i.e. the church, boy-scouts, teaching, coaching, etc...). But wouldn't it be fair to claim that such literature would be a beacon to paedophiles?



posted on Dec, 22 2005 @ 08:35 PM
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Mayet and Cug, the 'accussations' Cug posted were his attempt at "veering off". I have to wonder, as to "why", you chose to post that list, that had not yet been stated in this 'discussion'.

"Shocking people into disbelief" is an old and quite effective tactic to shut down thought on an issue.
It could also, "create the reasonable perception of an implied, serious threat", against the loved ones of anyone else who dares to speak out.
Do you want people to run and hide rather than "risk" supporting survivers and calling for justice? I truely hope not.

The post that sent you two on a "witch hunt" against me, refered to the fact of the suits, against Reina Michaelson. Of which, only the last was successfull, against Gaiaguys.

I answered Cug in that I'm not in a possition to prove or disprove specific points. So what's with this joint attempt, to raise my ire, trying to trip me into mentioning specifics, our current legal system precludes me from publicly discussing.

Part of running a fair investigation is collecting, concidering and correlateing all relevant intelligence. In these cases, something police and authorities significantly failed in doing. A boy not knowing the name of a group he suffered at the hands of, does not prove details didn't best fit one group above others or that others, too frightened to testify, haven't named.

Persuing further, diligent investigation of his and other similar stories, that could have led to, "fully clearing OTO of any 'remaining' suspicions", held by the community, is what this suit effectively curtailed.

Was that the intent, rather than making a stand against 'religious villification'? Drawing like minded people without public admission of socially unacceptable interests?
These are questions that will remain in the minds of many not caught in the middle of it all, and likely lean towards a, 'yes' opinion, due to the attitude and methods of responces, from those associated with and supportive of the group, "above" supporting those working to shut down the Multi Billion Dollar International Child Sex Slave Trade.

Declare, do what you will.
Informing people about conspiracies around the subject and details of these practices, is far more important to the interests of a healthy society, than the silence you want to impose by claiming the discussion of it, hurts the feelings and good name of some people claiming to be, "enlightened".


Cug

posted on Dec, 22 2005 @ 09:12 PM
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OK lets try this. Do or do you not believe that their statements about the O.T.O. are true? What you said sure seemed like that.



posted on Dec, 22 2005 @ 10:11 PM
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I thought this thread was supposed to be a list of Australian conspiracies. Suzy, if you want to discuss these issue's in detail, why don't you start another thread? In the relevant section? With a relevant title? I mean, why hide your "light" under a bushel?



posted on Dec, 22 2005 @ 10:24 PM
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I refered to a link to many Australian conspiracies, you and they focused on one aspect, and now you want it to go away without discussion.

O.K. lets talk about why Melbourne is cheap on Christmas decorations this year, oh right, better not because that may have a Christian element, them how about...nah, don't worry about any conspiracy, they are all going to offend or bore someone, but lets esspecially not talk about the worse one...the thread could go on for years....



posted on Dec, 22 2005 @ 10:48 PM
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fingapointa
I thought this thread was supposed to be a list of Australian conspiracies.


There are many subjects on this thread that deserve a thread of their own, yours included.


suzy_ryan
. . .and now you want it to go away without discussion.


Where did I say that? I said the exact oppsite, nothing/no one is stopping you from discussing/starting a thread on this. Well, except the site's T&C, which all members here must abide by. Don't expect people to accept your hypothesis without question. And quit trying to run down members who do..



suzy_ryan
O.K. lets talk about why Melbourne is cheap on Christmas decorations


pffft. . . whatever, have a happy and safe christmas. Oh, but I'm celebrating festivus this year so . . . YOU DISAPPOINT ME!!!



posted on Dec, 23 2005 @ 12:35 AM
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I was serious about the decoration thing. Toorak looks like a shrine to the God of shopping, lots of decorations but VERY un-Christmassy.

As to starting a thread, thats one of my problems with the responces to the subject on ATS. every time it comes up, the majority of responces play down the issue, then they quickly die and fade away.

Also as I get personally attacked for all sorts of imaginary things as it is, I don't want to discredit the issue with being accussed of "point chasing".

I'm sorry I didn't well temper my responce to you, I think I may have been "cracking under a state of seige" at that time, and had other real world things I was dealing with at the time. I do apologize.



posted on Dec, 23 2005 @ 08:58 PM
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Perhaps it would be a good idea to take this discussion of pedophilia in Australia and start it's own thread.
It is not allowing for a discussion of the rest of the conspiracies that crop up in Australia.

[edit on 23-12-2005 by DontTreadOnMe]



posted on Dec, 24 2005 @ 10:10 AM
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This isn't a conspiracy, but I don't see too many threads on Australia's contribution to the Bigfoot, Yeti forum... The Yowie. Or for that matter the Bunyip.



posted on Jan, 12 2006 @ 10:39 PM
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"Guthrie Cards" and the coincidental dna tagging of every Australian born after 1970.

And again, silex, the desktop nuclear enrichment porgram in "nuclear free" Australia.



posted on Jan, 13 2006 @ 10:20 PM
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I don't know where you get the 90secs or 2 mins duration off the massacre. the evilprick was shooting people including children for 45 minutes. the reason he got so many head shots was that no one else was armed or tried to tackle him. a lot of people were lying on the floor making out they were dead(some survived that way).the horrible b will burn in hell for all eternity and the sooner the better.he is a psychopath not mindcontrolled. the end result was life imprisonment never to be released and removal of almost the whole of society's guns. you have to pass a test to be able to get a liscence to use a gun and you have to have a legitimate reason such as employment or target shooting club. self defence is not considered a reason.the government paid top dollar to 'buy-back' australia's weapons.any depression,violent crime or mental illness in a person's past disqualifies them from obtaining or holding a gun liscence. my brother had a liscence but was convicted of assault of his wife and his guns and liscence removed.
best thing the government ever did for us consppiracy or not. all the best steve from tassie



posted on Jan, 13 2006 @ 10:36 PM
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Originally posted by I_AM_that_I_AM
So does Australia have big cats, inparticular black ones?
And is the gov't covering it up?


There have been sightings in western gippsland in victoria of a big black cat. One theory seems to be that when US troops were stationed here during ww2 some units had brought a few big cats as mascots.

Perhaps a few got away????



posted on Jan, 14 2006 @ 12:02 PM
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Originally posted by Conspiracy Theorist
There have been sightings in western gippsland in victoria of a big black cat. One theory seems to be that when US troops were stationed here during ww2 some units had brought a few big cats as mascots.


lol, I've heard that these Black Cats may be decendants of Panthers which escaped from a circus circa 1900. One thing's for sure Big Ctas would hvae no problems surviving in Australia considering the mass of domesticated food animals on farms.



posted on Jan, 17 2006 @ 01:35 AM
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My Grandmother recently told me a story of when she was a little girl, she was out with her older brother who was 16 in the bush out in Inglewood (Australia) and they came across paw prints in the ground that were larger than her brothers foot.
Might be something?





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