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reply posted on 17-12-2005 @ 10:49 PM by esdad71
If you have ever gone on an Alaskan crusie, 80% of those on the ship are over 65, and there are deaths due to age related or health related incidents. I know the facts, I am in the industry, and you are taking partial fact and trying to turn it into fear.

Again, I refer to this, our governement watches

www.ntsb.gov...

They are regulated by the USCG

www.uscg.mil...

and over 7 years since someone esle went missing on the same line as the man who is missing in the Mediterraen with his wife

www.stamfordadvocate.com...

Here is the link to the whole story, you might want to read it...

www.stamfordadvocate.com...



In the Bradley and Smith cases, Royal Caribbean International officials said they immediately notified authorities.

"Our standard procedure is to contact the FBI and the local authorities," said Lynn Marten-stein, vice president of corporate communications, calling Bradley's disappearance "another horribly, horribly tragic event."

In Smith's case, cruise officials have turned over all of their camera surveillance and computer information to the FBI, Martenstein said.

"We have had people on the ship gathering all of this information from charges to security information," she said.




the FBI does recieve everything since it is a US citizen that is affected, and this is standard procedure. There is inherent risk in driving to the local store and bieng abducted, and there are more than 300,000 missing or kidnapped children each year, even though many are casued by custody battles, it seems that crusing is pretty safe.

and check out how violent the world is

During 2004--

the number of people who reported they were victims of violent crime fell from about 28 per 1,000 to about 25 per 1,000, a 10% drop. The number of people reporting violent crimes fell from 6,323,000 in 2000 to 5,744,000

Almost the same number of people who cruise each year, reported a violent crime.I understand the tragic events that these people must be experiencing, and I agree that there is never enough security, but to just flat out say that crusiing is not safe and a haven for crime is ignorant.


Merry Christmas, I'm taking a cruise.....



reply posted on 18-12-2005 @ 04:41 AM by NumberCruncher
Cruising - Designed for the Newley Wed and the Nearly Dead.

I used to be Employed on a cruiseliner and it was common occurance to leave passengers behind, they are told what time the ship is going to set sail and if there not aboard it costs a hell of alot to wait for them, port fees for example are like 20k for a day in places (that varies).

The occasional passeger that was left behind was lucky enough to catch a pilot boat back out to the ship but usually they have to get out there wallets and pay thousands to get home and miss half there cruise lol.

Occasionaly people jump overboard, thats costly to, send out flotsam and jetsom ,do the Williamson turn and spend forever looking for the fool.

I always imagined murder at sea would be the easiest crime to get away with, i guess theres alot more security cameras now a days, but in the middle of the night slip that body over board and no ones the wiser, sharks eat the evidence and the murderer go's to the Piano bar and enjoys a glass of port .

An old work colleague used to swear back and blue that this cruise company he worked for had people "inside" smuggling stuff, the ship would slow down in places during the night and small boats would pull alongside handing packages through cargo doors etc. Cant even remeber which company was some dodgy one in Asia some where.

Im sure security etc is alot better on cruiseliners now, well i hope so in the age of Terrorism.

But back to original post its no surprise Carnival Cruiselines is now having alot of passengers missing, theyve bought out nearly every large cruise company there is, so dissappearances used to be spread around a bit, i bet theres the same amount of disappearances its just virtually all cruising is under the carnival banner.

One peice of advice if you take a cruise, make sure you buy Medical Insurance - i could never get over these tight asses that didnt buy it.

If you start puking with sea sickness it will cost you atleast 100 bucks for a needle to stop puking, if you have an accident on a remote Island medical evacuation can be as high as a 100 grand, medical insurance for a cruise is probably only 50 bucks.

Happy Cruising.


reply posted on 19-12-2005 @ 06:34 AM by esdad71
Hey, EarthUnificationFrontier, Learn to control your wife or girlfriend, or maybe lose a bit of your childish insecurity. You can solve that by not dating out of your league.

Do you have anything to add to the conversation, or were you just point trolling?

www.iccl.org...

www.iccl.org...

Read this, according to the FBI,


U.S. laws protect American passengers
onboard non-US flagged cruise ships.
The FBI and local authorities have
authority to investigate and prosecute
alleged crimes in international
waters involving Americans.
According to FBI statistics, cruise
ships are safer than any town in the
United States in terms of crimes of
any type.



reply posted on 19-12-2005 @ 08:08 AM by shots
Originally posted by esdad71





www.iccl.org...



Read this, according to the FBI,


U.S. laws protect American passengers
onboard non-US flagged cruise ships.
The FBI and local authorities have
authority to investigate and prosecute
alleged crimes in international
waters involving Americans.
According to FBI statistics, cruise
ships are safer than any town in the
United States in terms of crimes of
any type.



That is not according to the FBI as you claim. That is what the International Council of Cruise Lines says, there is a big difference.

I realize if they ask the FBI they can investigate a crime but they cannot just board any ole ship they want in international waters without permission of the Flag nation that the ship sails under. In other words board a ship with a Panamanian flag you are bound by Panamanian laws while in international waters.

Now if that same Panamanian ship is in the territorial waters of Aruba, then juristication would fall under Arubas laws. US laws would apply if the ship were within US waters.


reply posted on 19-12-2005 @ 01:18 PM by esdad71
Here are your links, from the FBI's own site...



The Miami Division of the FBI has been actively participating in the Area Maritime Security Committee and holds a seat on the Executive Steering Committee. This committee is a United States Coast Guard initiative, which brings together members of the law enforcement community with executives of the various maritime industries. One of the pilot projects being worked on by the Miami Joint Terrorism Task Force is the "Manning Agency Screening Initiative" which provides limited database checks on the agencies providing the staff members to cruise lines operating globally. At present the "manning agencies" providing the staff for the various cruise lines are not screened by any United States law enforcement agency and are merely licensed to do business in their respective countries.



This is another initiative, from the FBI's own site....


On a related front, the FBI, working together with members of the cruise industry, has established a protocol for domestic cruise lines to electronically send all passenger and crew manifests to the Terrorist Screening Center six hours prior to departure. The Terrorist Screening Center enables the cruise line manifests to be run against a single terrorism database, instead of the numerous lists housed within a variety of government agencies. The FBI is also working towards establishing a permanent Maritime Liaison Agent (MLA) in each of its offices with significant port activity. The MLA position would streamline the flow of information coming from, and going to, the various ports around the country, with one consistent point of contact identified.


and finally this



As Director Mueller notes, "the globalization of crime—whether terrorism, international trafficking of drugs, contraband, and people, or cyber crime—absolutely requires us to integrate law enforcement efforts around the world. And that means having our agents working directly with their counterparts overseas on cases of mutual interest—not only to solve crimes that have been committed, but to prevent crimes and acts of terror by sharing information in real time."


www.fbi.gov...

All of this information is from the FBI's own site. Sorry, but big brother is already there folks. I just thought you would have dug a little yourself.

I hate to say this, but the reason that a honeymooner lost on a crusie ship is probably not first priority, is because the FBI is also actively fighting terrorism across the globe. I am sure that they are doing the best they can to help the family solve the case , and if you do a quick google search you wil find that they have with The cruise ship turned over all the information it had to the FBI, so now it is in their court.


This is also from the FBI site, there is no 'law', but there are loopholes in the Patriot act. THis explains the Legats

INTERNATIONAL OFFICES
In addition to its field offices across the United States, the FBI has 45 offices known as Legal Attachés or "Legats" located around the world. Legats are our first line of defense beyond our borders. Their goals are simple-to stop foreign crime as far from American shores as possible and to help solve international crimes that do occur as quickly as possible.

To accomplish these goals, each Legat works with law enforcement and security agencies in their host country to coordinate investigations of interest to both countries. Some Legats are responsible for coordination with law enforcement personnel in several countries. The purpose of these Legats is strictly coordination; they do not conduct foreign intelligence gathering or counterintelligence investigations. The rules for joint activities and information-sharing are generally spelled out in formal agreements between the United States and the Legat's host country. The entire worldwide Legat program is overseen by a Special Agent in Charge located at FBI Headquarters.


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