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Originally posted by snafu7700
they most certainly have a choice in the matter.
oh yeah, lets take a small percentage of acts that were very wrong, in which the aggressors were properly punished, and apply it to the entire system.
oh, cut the melodramatics. the US has a very very good record compared to most other countries around the world
a few weeks? maybe you should do some more research on how many different types of survival training special forces get and how long they actually last.
kidnapped? no, kidnapping is what these people are doing to innocent civilians who are trying to help their people. they get their heads chopped off for their good efforts at humanitarian aid. its kind of hard to kidnap someone who is carrying an ak47.
Originally posted by zoso28
Originally posted by Shaker
Torture in Boot Camp? Not really... If you want to know how it is through there, just ask someone that's been. That goes for any service. I do admit most of my time in the Air Force boot camp of 99 was boring. The hardest part was pushing myself to do more and more pushups, situps, and lowering my time on the running.
Odd thing is, when you ask people about it, you're informed of the conditions there, yet volunteer to go anyway?
USAF "boot camp" does not really count here, no disrespect. The fact that you said you were bored is the giant red flag. You wont find any marines or army guys say they were bored, dead tired maybe, but not bored
[edit on 15-12-2005 by zoso28]
Originally posted by Nygdan
The article is clearly sarcasm. McCain is hardly to be faulted for trying to do something to prevent further criminal abuse by servicemen, even the pentagon agrees that what was going on at garaib was illegal.
Originally posted by mOjOm
The American Military Volunteered to go invade a country and tell people how to live their lives backed by deadly force. So under your rationale it's justifiable for U.S. soldiers to be tortured or burned in the public square then I guess?!?!? But if that's the case why the hell do so many complain when our soldiers are abused??
Plus, I fail to see how resisting an invasion from a superior outside military entity that is pre-emtively going to occupy and change your home, culture, Gov., structure, beliefs, traditions, etc. etc. makes for much of a choice. There was no option for "No Invasion" just the choice between how and in what manner you are to be chewed up and digested by the machine of war which is about to mow you down. With or Without Fighting Back.
Originally posted by howmuchisthedoggy
Read the excellent post above.
But aren't they all at it? I heard there were far worse things going on as well.
Nothing melodramatic in pointing out hypocrisy. Yes, the US has a better record, which is why it outsources so much of it's torture to those with less shining records. But still, just saying "we torture less" is still an excuse.
I thought basic boot camp was quite short.
If you are talking about Iraq, I am sure you realise the criminal element is at work with those kidnappings.
Originally posted by pfcret
To Thermopolis- Torture in basic training-Have you been eating Alpo burgers????? You went through Marine Boot Camp???? Basic Training is the time where you learn how to be a soldier, airman, marine, sailor, etc. Since no one is soldier, airman, marine or a sailor before they get there, the military has to let that individual what the speific military service is all about. None of the service branches are democracies, nor can they be. You learn the military way or else. Let's face it, basic training isn't all that bad. YOU MADE IT. The military is around for two reasons, deturing wars and fighting wars. It's not a social club nor a grass cutting business or a trash collecting business. The military is a life or death business. Nowhere in civillian life does it compare.
Originally posted by LA_Maximus
For me, Boot camp at Fort Knox was tough, but my big brother was a Marine and its a fact USMC boot camp is Hell.
I never considered boot camp "torture"...
Originally posted by Off_The_Street
Now I hear you're a Hollywood Marine.
Wipes away tear, shufles off into the sunset, inconsolable.
All subjects taught at both recruit depots are identical, although allowances are made in sequencing due to the geographic differences between the two recruit depots. Training for male and female Marines is identical except for the difference of the PFT [Physical Fitness Test]. Male and female recruits are segregated during training so they can focus on their transformation into Marines. Recruit training is divided into twelve weeks of training described in the table below.