maybe it's because i've found the biggest chink in the armor of the world's most powerful religion?
LOL if nothing else you are funny-please don't take that as an insult if you are being completely serious with no room for humor. I'm not familiar
enough with you to know your personality as "the biggest Christian basher" or whatever was said, but I had to laugh at your bravado myself
...you don't really think *this* is the biggest chink in the Christian religeon? Questioning Jesus Christ's divinity by a timeline of when it was
established by the people of the world? Or "His" church?
...or by his humble-and wise-refusal to state in no uncertain terms he was the divine son of God...that he was God made man?...well he did often
enough...in many ways
His divinity must be a matter of faith, but it is also a matter of fact, as for a matter of record...well...thats just a demonstraton for the record
isn't it? ...but as everything in faith-it's only accepted by believers for believers.
However no fact, demonstration, claim, nomenclature or title has ever converted a non believer into a believer in any religeon anyway, so facts along
with such acts like establishing divinity FTR are entirely inconsequential IMHO.
They educate and give room for musing which are precursory to conversion through belief and faith and spiritual experience...
however the act and consideration of establishing His divinity, did not prove His divinity any more than the lack of it, prior to that, denied
His divinity is/was from the begining based on that He was prophsied of, He fullfilled prophecies, and He performed miracles...and died for NOT
denying who He was...and was seen by many witnesses as living after His crucifiction marking him as an immortal that left an empty guarded tomb
I'd say long before it was established by followers after his death, first, his divinity was established unofficially when He acknowledged He was who
was prophsied of, and referred to himself as the son of God...for instance as was recorded in the Bible
Holy Bible (KJV) John 8:54
"54": Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:
Holy Bible (KJV) John 10:25
"25": Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
lets just suppose Jesus was one of the first consiracy theorists...and first reasons for major conspiracies-first real threat to the system of
controling the mases of people...
and trying to enlighten them to think outside the box...open their eyes to what they were being force fed by the governments and organized religeous
leaders and society they were living in...
..and challenging them to live and think differently...and promising them freedom from the bondage of their worldly life and herd-thinking to have a
personal relationship with God outside of religeon
yes, thats right, that was His mission-to help them break free of the religious oppression and government control to know they belonged to a higher
family, an ultimate authority, and they could commune directly with God...and undeerstand what it all meant
He knew there'd be a huge conspiracy against him, it was part of the reality of how the plan would play out...governements and religeons always want
to play a part as some kind of intercessor for the people with God, and dictate to them what God wants them to do...
So he knew at every turn they'd be watching him, trying to trick him up...and they did try
tryied to prove him wrong somehow in his teachings or actions...or mere words
He knew *they* would turn the people against him, and try to mock him and his followers in attempts to discredit him as anyone special, or
God-become-man, or God's son, or a prophet...or anyone other than a lunatic to be laughed at...
...and they did, the conspiracies against him were all based on "if He is God...or the son of God, or divine in any way...then why doesn't he prove
it...where is the proof? If He is God, then why does he break God's laws and heal people on the Sabbath? AHa! No son of God would break the
The conspiracists were trying to appeal to both the MINDS of the people to be logical and reject him for lack of hard proof..and then to their
emotions...mocking him as a lunatic and looser and mocking his followers to where no one who was "anyone" in society wanted to be seen as a fool and
It's funny...this conspiracy still exists STRONGLY today in the EXACT same manner as it did then... and I see so many are part of it...unknowingly
part of one of the biggest conspiarcies EVER.
...and all just because he was a threat to the system
as they knew the threat that people might believe in him...and turn away from their controling systems and break free to think and believe for
themselves...and thus stop being controled by the local governments and religeous leaders...and they were right... (for awhile, the "church" that
established itself as an institution in his name after the martyring of the apostles brought the people back under controling bondage of unrighteous
dominion pretty much)
BUt back to Jesus-He knew He'd soon stir up the pharisees and the likes and be crucified...He knew His lot and purpose in life according to the
divine plan he helped conceive of, and he knew they were out to get him...
so he bided his time so as not to give them too much reason to quickly to crucify Him so He could prepare his apostles, and give them the keys they
needed to teach the people in His absence
...but never denied who He was, or denied his divinity and even claimed it and proclaimed it outright to those that would understand
... but even still His divinity was established before that, before the world was...and claimed when He was...
it has nothing to do when it was "officially" established as divinity by man-thats just silly. If that is what YOU would hold as credible, then you
are saying if it had been officially proclaimed and documented much sooner, then it would lend more credibility to you somehow? Why is that?
Well, thanks for the subject, I've enjoyed pondering it from different sides and hope you all realize He was one of the first conspiracy theorists,
whether you believe Him divine or not...
[edit on 14-12-2005 by think2much]