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NEWS: Clemency Denied for Stanley "Tookie" Williams

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posted on Dec, 13 2005 @ 12:30 AM
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Originally posted by dgtempe
He has 2 minutes left.....


It's more like and hour and a half.




posted on Dec, 13 2005 @ 12:35 AM
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maybe you guys think its fine, but i personally cant stand the small cell. experiencing that for any length of time, id probably kill myself in a literal sense. and definately take death penalty over life with no parole.

also death sentence only cost more then life without parole because death penalty gets many auto appeals and the actual court case is what cost more. it cost less to kill them then life in prison. but the actual court battle for death is alot more expensive then life with no parole.



posted on Dec, 13 2005 @ 12:41 AM
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People are always blaming their circumstances for what they are. I don't believe in circumstances. The people who get on in this world are the people who get up and look for the circumstances they want, and, if they can't find them, make them. - George Bernard Shaw



Perhaps, Williams should have read more of GB Shaw in his youth. He might have chosen a better path.



posted on Dec, 13 2005 @ 12:52 AM
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Originally posted by grimreaper797
maybe you guys think its fine, but i personally cant stand the small cell. experiencing that for any length of time, id probably kill myself in a literal sense. and definately take death penalty over life with no parole.


You sound as though you know personally what death row is like? Care to ellaborate?



posted on Dec, 13 2005 @ 12:59 AM
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59 Minutes, in counting, LA is about to go to hell in a handbasket...



posted on Dec, 13 2005 @ 01:58 AM
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Man, lots of opinions are surfacing here... It's good to know that we are divided on the death penalty in America - some people forget that. I'm against it, but Schwarz deliberated about it and I think he made the right decision. To interrupt the process would be to unfairly fight the state's capital punishment legislation at a time inopportune to previous victims.

I am against the death penalty in America, but I don't think that our policy should be changed because of a guy writing a childrens' book: I think our policy should be changed because of the populace insisting on its change.

Well, I say "our" but really I mean "yours and mine." I'm actually not of this country, as many of you know.

Zip



posted on Dec, 13 2005 @ 02:21 AM
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If over a hundred people have been found innocent on death row with DNA testing - someone innocent has died. One is too many. All it's going to take is for someone to be posthumously exonerated to tip the scales. I think that will happen eventually.

However, good old Took was found guilty by a jury of his peers in a criminal court. The executive branch overturning that decision because Snoop Dogg says he's reformed would set a dangerous precedent.

Also, I don't think that anyone is arguing that he might be innocent, I think it's a pretty set fact he killed those people. They're arguing on his side due to the fact he's "changed".

I think it's funny, he's being lauded for writing books preaching against gang violence, yet: “Took die, the city fry. That’s the word on the streets.”

Good job, Took. They must have taken you seriously.



posted on Dec, 13 2005 @ 02:42 AM
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There been a unofficial report of his death already on the news. Looks like the official reports of Tookies death will be comming in.

And it only took more then a quarter of a century, man you got to love the speed of the American justice system.



posted on Dec, 13 2005 @ 03:04 AM
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It's official. He died by lethal injection at San Quentin prison at 35 minutes after midnight.

edit: adding correct time

[edit on 13-12-2005 by parrhesia]



posted on Dec, 13 2005 @ 04:51 AM
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Utterly bizarre. I'm strafing every news site I can think of...and LA seems remarkably calm. No reports of violence, nothing. Then again, it's 5:50AM EST. Maybe the bangers just haven't woken up yet.

DE



posted on Dec, 13 2005 @ 06:02 AM
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Well he did say for people not to riot.



posted on Dec, 13 2005 @ 06:06 AM
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Yeah, I know. but I didn't expect the gangbanging scum to actually LISTEN.

Nothing. I'm still guessing this won't end peacefully. Maybe it's the lawman in me, but I expect the worst.

DE



posted on Dec, 13 2005 @ 08:16 AM
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for people to go out and riot/bang after this whole debacle....


would be similar to me watching you burn your hand on the stove... and then placing my own hand on the hot surface seconds after to see if its still hot. Utterly stupid.


but then again...



posted on Dec, 13 2005 @ 08:32 AM
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Originally posted by Raideur
LA is about to go to hell in a handbasket...


Didn't happen. That was just more fear mongering
by the press. Although I am surprised... I figured
the idiots who like to riot would use this as an
excuse. (they'll use any excuse)



posted on Dec, 13 2005 @ 08:34 AM
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I doubt there will be any violence. I dont like the death penalty, and as someone mentioned it costs much more than putting someone away for life.
But, since it is in place, and since fellow murderers have met the same fate, I dont see how this one man could be spared. The truth is he took many peoples lives. How would it look if they spared his life because he wrote childrens books advocating the "not to's"? Hell, they would all start writting childrens books and then what would happen with the next deathrower?
The law is the law.

There SHOULD be a movement to end death- that i agree with, but until then, que sera sera.



posted on Dec, 13 2005 @ 08:35 AM
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Originally posted by GradyPhilpott

Originally posted by dgtempe
He has 2 minutes left.....


It's more like and hour and a half.
Thanks for correcting me. I was going by eastern time



posted on Dec, 13 2005 @ 08:56 AM
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Originally posted by Rren

Originally posted by TheBandit795
I'm with you on this one, I'm Jaded.

Any society or country that carries out the death sentence is IMHO a PRIMITIVE one.



Couldn't agree more. Regardless - having pride or a sense of satisfaction in this barbaric act borders on lunacy....or blood lust imo.


The possibility of a death penalty is put into law in the fervent hope that it will never have to be utilized.
The value of life is something that a society sets as a whole. If someone commits a crime with the possibility of a death sentence, then they are, in effect, putting themselves to death by commiting the act, and "the state" is merely carrying out the sentence.
If Tookie would have injected himself, then the state would not have to do it.
Tookie had years of appeals... something his victims did not have.
The evidence was overwhelming in every aspect.
He refused to help police put more of those cretins in prison.
He never admitted to, of felt remorse, about his crimes.
Of the books he wrote, total circulation hit around 600 copies.
That he felt he had changed his ways and outlook is moot; but it may affect how he is judged after death. Hopefully he is NOT resting in peace.



posted on Dec, 13 2005 @ 09:08 AM
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Originally posted by Rasputin13
All I can say is that Mr. Williams' innocent victims haven't had the luxury of a jury of their peers, 25 years of appeals, cable television, visits from Hollywood stars, the liberal media kissing their rear-ends and making them into the greatest thing since sliced bread, or the luxury of a last meal and an easy leathal injection. Rather, they were brutally shot to death with a shotgun in a senseless act of violence without the option of clemency afforded to them.

Just because its taken 25 years to do what should have been done 24 years ago doesn't make it any less right. The problem is that we've allowed this process to be drawn out so long, thus losing its purpose. For those who don't think that the death penalty can serve as a deterrant (and I agree that it is debatable since we've allowed those who are against it to force us into keeping murderers alive for decades after their sentences), then I have a legal proposal for you all. It was once given by a brilliant man who's name unfortunately escapes me at the moment. How about we change the law so that those who commit murders on Monday, Wednesday and Friday are sentenced to death, and those who commit murders on the remaining days are sentenced to life without parole. Then let's see if the death penalty is really a deterrant!


You are correct in what you wrote. Also, the amount of time that passes since the commiting of the crime, however long, has no bearing on anything. America lead the way on using DNA evidence to help prevent innocent people from being charged and/or executed, and also offers more appeals to those charged, for the same reason.

For what it's worth, Department of justice figures show that in the 60's,when a moratorium was put on the death sentence, violent crime and murders increased. When it was re-introduced, those crimes went down.



posted on Dec, 13 2005 @ 09:35 AM
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Originally posted by grimreaper797
p.s. i no longer believe in the death sentence for some one who would rather have life with no parole


Since when does the person convicted of a crime by a jury of his peers get to decide his own punishment? Thats a new one to me.



posted on Dec, 13 2005 @ 10:31 AM
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WHY IS ANYONE EVER SENTENCED LIFE IN PRISON ????? THIS IS THE STUPIDEST THING I HAVE EVER HEARD ... If you think that this is good ... on any OCCASION ... accept that of a Mental Case ... you are DEAD wrong ... Go spend a couple nights in the Penetentiery ... not the Local Jail House ... They are totally different ... not as far as on the movies but you would be surprised .... how close and how people on the inside DO HAVE HUGE AFFECTS ON THE OUTSIDE !!!



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