The Latest Propaganda: Are you falling for it?, page 2
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reply posted on 15-1-2006 @ 04:09 PM by fatcat2
Yes Benevolent Heretic you would be right in saying that propaganda ,"There's nothing wrong with propaganda per se. But when it's used to further divide an already divided nation and to slander anyone with a different opinion, it's less than effective for the overall purpose."

I also agree with, "More than ever this country (the US) needs to find common ground and come together as a nation to move forward, not further divide the political parties by calling gradeschool names. "

The problem is that no one can agree on how to go forward and so certain partisan groups use name-calling to try and advance their solution as the way forward. Both parties use this technique and almost every political figure is probably guilty of this. This is the natural consequence of a governing system where everyone has different opinions and public figures have to gain public support.

And marg6043 if you're going to do that I say, "Do you really know what is going on in Iraq or just what your crazy surrender monkey friends are telling you." Two can play at the game but let's not have any more of it as it comes back to the name calling and divisiveness that we should try and avoid it. As I believe Churchill said, "We will move forward together".

And I do know that Iraq is a whole mixed bag of people but I would like to hear where you got those reports of police killing from. There are inter-tribal tensions but with mediation this can probably be prevented. Or we could do what one person said and divided Iraq into three. But the problem with making countries consist of almost only one ethnic group is that this tends to lead to inter-country conflict, which would probably be more be destructive than what we are currently seeing in Iraq.

And what do you mean by this,"Denied ignorance the Pandora box has been open in Iraq and now is not way to close it." I really can't tell what you're trying to say.

And you think Saddam and his mass graves were not examples of inter-tribal conflict. You sound awful like that person on the board who said, "I support Saddam." Almost anything would be better than that brute still being in power.

"Iraq will be an Islamic state, because the majority in Iraq practice Islamic law." Well this stands to reason but what kind of islamic state will it be? If we keep our soldiers there long enough to establish a stable democracy even if it is Islamic in nature then we will have done a service to the people of Iraq.

"Insurgents and Terrorist are the same people that opposed the "Invasion" they are no only feed as "foreigners" but they are also Iraqis." Feed? Yes they are Iraqis in the same sense the London bombers were. Any terrorist that attacks his own countrymen cannot be considered a citizen of that country, he or she is simply a terrorist and should be shot like the dog he or she is.

Let us go forward together in the American spirit, which stands for freedom through strength.


reply posted on 18-1-2006 @ 01:14 PM by YIAWETA
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Perhaps this will help. Keep in mind Clinton was a DeMoley and a Rhodes Scholar. Two sure signs of NWO prep.


reply posted on 19-1-2006 @ 10:15 AM by YIAWETA
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I really find it astonishing that posters here would not know about this


reply posted on 18-2-2006 @ 10:28 AM by pepsi78
I belive the latest propaganda are the cartoons.
Do any one think that the people that made the cartoons were influenced in a way to do so?
What can be better than war to brake out.
It would be a thing since people become iritated easy on bolth sides muslims and the west.
We got iritated because of the protests they got iritated because of the cartoons, just a matter of time before war brakes out.
One thing is clear this is strange, i dont recal seeing the cartonists on tv that much, there were few explenations and the focus was once again on the war on teror.
I didint see any interview with the cartoonists expleining well enough what is the reason behind it.
This is just another way of controling the people, I almost felt for it.
This is what I call order out of chaos.
Another cartoonist drew the iranian football team wearing outfits like terorists, after that the carttonist was no where to be found, he just wanted to follow orders i guess, and get the people a little more depresed.

And what is with the thing that says buy danish?
I buy what I want and when ever I want it, it's just that I dont buy this
Buy the setup, be dumb and happy and then we can nuke them all has an excuse.WE NEED OIL HERE WE COME!!!!! or even more pathetic we want their souls for brekfast, we want george old bush to lead us to victory

How pathetic is that?
Now if it would be us against the neadertals i would understand, but it's human beings VS human beings, some one is selling humanity out who ever he is he is a traitor and an enemy to the humman race.


[edit on 18-2-2006 by pepsi78]



reply posted on 18-2-2006 @ 01:50 PM by loam
Originally posted by Boatphone
I know some will just rip me on this...


You're right. I will.

Why is it the responsibility of the United States to spread "freedom" through war? Shall I cite all of the examples where we were the cause of tyranny abroad? Why haven't we spread freedom in CUBA? or KOREA? or CHINA? or dare I say it...even here at home???

And what about the hypocrisy of even suggesting this is a war about freedom?



Bush on Nation Building

Speaking to a cheering crowd in Chattanooga, Tenn., one day before the Nov. 7, 2000, election, George W. Bush repeated a line that had by then been a standard part of the stump speech for many, many months--and one that now seems, in the face of looming U.S. military action in Iraq, quite contradictory.

"Let me tell you what else I'm worried about: I'm worried about an opponent who uses nation building and the military in the same sentence. See, our view of the military is for our military to be properly prepared to fight and win war and, therefore, prevent war from happening in the first place."

The line was an explicit condemnation of Clinton/Gore foreign policy--specifically that the White House had stretched the military too thin with peacekeeping mission in Haiti, Somalia and the Balkans. President Clinton and Vice President Gore, his Democratic opponent, had strayed from the central mission of the military: to fight and win wars, Bush said.



The only strategic importance of the Middle East to the US is its continued free flow of oil.

You can call a dog a goat all you like, but it's still going to bark.

EDIT:

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

This is just another way of controling the people, I almost felt for it.


I'm ashamed to say, me too.



<--- Couldn't help myself.


[edit on 18-2-2006 by loam]


reply posted on 22-2-2006 @ 07:36 PM by johnsky
I hear many sides of an argument...

and many of you have a great deal of knowlege on the subject...

and many of you are missing some vital pieces.

Though, we are only human, and we can only recall that which we remember.

I remember Bush claiming that Iraq has WMD's.
I also remember our Canadian intelligence reporting that the US's information is flawed, and the Canadian agencies desperately trying to let the US know.
They didnt listen... they knew it was flawed, they pretended they didnt hear us.

I remember inspectors being recalled before they had finished searching.
They found nothing... there was nothing.

I remember Saddam Hussein being awarded the Nobel Peace Prize on American soil for running his country peacefully for ten years straight.
We are now convicting him for what happened prior to those ten years.

I remember terrorist forces in and around Afghanistan mounting up.
I remember them converging on Afghanistan when they heard the Americans were coming there to fight them.
Easier to hit a target on your own soil...

I remember the US heading towards Iraq to fight the Iraqi's... not the terrorists.
I remember the terrorists heading to Iraq because they knew the Americans were going there too.

I see the Iraqi people standing up against the Americans, believing they are defending what is left of their original government... you would do the same for democracy if a dictator invaded the United States.
I see the hatred of americans growing...
I see the terrorists numbers climbing...
I see one BIG mistake, caused by many little mistakes along the way.

As they say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

[edit on 22-2-2006 by johnsky]
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