Hitlers interest in the occult began long before any of you think.

He was a boy during a time when Germans were falling in love again with thier own murdered pre christian past, the worship of old gods, the Sagas, pan Germanic myths, legends, ect. This was joined by other persons interested in the occult, who added thier own brand of mystiscism. The runic alphabets, ect, people were getting back in touch with thier pre christian roots.

Enter the organized hermetic occultists, who had already started the Golden dawn and Thule society. it was widespread in germany, there was nothing unique about it, Wagners operas glorifying long dead heros and heroines of germanic lore. Hitler showed an interest in these things as a child, which further developed, as he became an adult, into the lure of the more...twisted froms of it.

never heard he was hypnotized, tho I wouldnt doubt it, that a traumatic accident would make him have divine revalations and such, and given his interest already in germanic legend, he would have taken it as a sure sign form the gods that he was meant for greater destiny.

Look in Germanic lore, myths, and legends for similar things....young heros being visited by Odin himself with Visions of what they msut do.

Possesion I doubt, since i do not believe in demons, thus, I do not believe it is possible to be taken over by something that does not exist.

Originally posted by Dr. Know
As evil as Hitler was, Heydrich and Himmler were worse. They were the actual hench men and think tank under Hitler.

You certainly can't forget about those two.

Heydrich was the actual designer of the final solution.. but he was shot by Czech partisans in 1942..

Himmler was the man responsible for the execution of 'plan final solution'.

Hitler just said that 'Jews' were scum, but did not actually do much about it.

Very interesting thread. And topic for that matter. A lot of new info in here.

Originally posted by ultra_phoenix
Hitler was just a crank like another one. Human history is full of these cranks ( Stalin, Lenin, Mao Tse Dong, Pol Pot, Gengis Khan, Caesar Neron... ) They were all nuts and were there just to make us suffer. Fortunatley they're all dead now. Unfortunatley, many are still thinking they were all great men.

Let's not forget George H. W. Bush and George W. Bush.

You equate Bush with that gang of thugs?

He has things in common with them but I think there is a considerable difference in magnitude there.

Originally posted by THENEO
You equate Bush with that gang of thugs?

He has things in common with them but I think there is a considerable difference in magnitude there.

I do equate him with them. Perhaps the intent and planning goes on elsewhere...but he's playing in the same cesspool. He's playing along.

hmm interesting thread

anyone who wants to read an original of Mein Kamf is welcome - course its in the proper german and signed by hitler (my grandad took it off a soldier) is welcom

I've read Mein Kempf and actually it isn't that bad most of the time, but there are questionable parts in there.

Seems similar in a way to the Koran and other significant texts in that some parts are very controversial in nature.

TheNeo

I actually have a translation as well. As a critique of the book your pretty much spot on - Hitler did actually borrow a lot of mysticism to give his work a flavor. However as for the conraversial content - actually a lot of what is said really owes its self to an earlier time - there is a British professor who unearthed a lot of anti semitic writings under Willhelm III - sorry for the life of me I cant remember who this chap was but I remember reading his papers at university. If anyone knows who im refering too please feel free to chip in.

As for the original premise of the post - hypnotised ? from 1930 to 194? - i think not. A cursory reading of Hitlers youth reveals the classics of sociopathic behaviour -

Highly artistic
intelligent
exposed to trauma
dysfunctional background
evidence of cruelty to animals at an early age
possible exposure to marital infidelity in his parents family
non conformity to perceived norms - indeed the very norms he tried to promote - he was neither blue eyed tall or blonde
the list goes on ...

In short you have your classic time bomb - an individual who believed that he could better himself at the expense of others - and was easily succeptible to the belief patterns of those who grew close to him.

For an interesting diversion - reading up on the early years of Caligula would provide some striking parallels. However what is not clear is weather Gais Germmanicus really went to the lengths he is reported to have done or if this is a case of subsequent records changed to suit the then Ceasers. However what is clear that Hitler did try to promote roman ideals within the German people and army - probably borowing heavily from Mussolini. And the name and symbol of "Fachism" is actually the Lichtors Faschist - an axe bount to a bunch of reeds rather than the swastika we normally associate with the phrase.

Might be a good research project - happy to help with anyone looking at the roots of Nazisim.

Silk

You think Hitler was was bad. What about Stalin. That guy was pretty evil too. Do you know how many people he killed from his own country?

oc,

yeah man, stalin was worse!

Silk,

interesting stuff indeed, but I differ from you in that I think hitler was a psychopath and not just a sociopath. Sociopaths may be made but psychopaths are born IMHO.

Hitler- I heard that he had a private doctor.... Couldnt remeber his name... He was heavily involved in the occult and was reported to have had a great influence on Hitler..
Stalin- One quote says it all. "Kill some one and its a tradgedy, Kill a million and its a statistic."

Originally posted by dragonrider

I think this is rather interesting, esp when you consider the stories about Winston Churchills "black dog".

How's that relevant to Churchill's 'black dog'? The 'black dog' in question was depression.

It's a fascinating theory about the hypnosis, but Hitler was hardly a battle scarred veteran. His active service consisted of bycyling messages around behind the main lines.

If hypnosis did lead him to believe he had been granted a divine revelation, that would only be the first of many 'rungs on the ladder'. Everything that came after that would be his own doing. The revelation would just be the initial spur, nothing more. Hypnosis would ONLY be responisble for him believing he was due to the rule the world, not for convincing him to kill millions in his quest.