Originally posted by naXaH
What is the differnce between us and them? The aliens have overwhelmingly better technology. It is pretty sure the most have achieved immortality due
to medicine, nano technology or something we dont even imagine.
Immortality is what all or most life forms will try to achieve due to instinct to survive.
Instinct to survive does not have to override empathy for other beings - although some people will do anything and kill anyone if it means they can
live longer, others are not so psychopathic, and will even put their life on the line for others - because of their empathy for other beings, which
simply amounts to love of others, not just love of self. In the end, perhaps being alive is not the most important thing to strive for at the cost of
all else - well that certainly depends on whom you ask. However, I'd not make the assumption that immortality is more important than all else for all
Ok now they are immortal what do they want now? Stay alive! So the first and obvious next step is to eliminate all threats.
The problem is, EVERYTHING is a potential threat. Everything from uncle Bob to the little stone on the ground to a sharp edge on your desk to your own
pencil can be a threat to your life. So if you wish to eliminate all threats, you'd have to eliminate all that exists, since EVERYTHING can be a
threat, most especially other beings, including your own mother or brother or friend. So using your own logic, their paranoia would end in their own
mutually assured destruction - kinda like humanity is doing to itself right now. The question I'd ask is, can humanity change from a state of fear
and paranoia and delusion before we destroy one another? The instinct to survive is the dominant force in animals, but humans have a conscious choice
and often commit self sacrifice for others or for a cause the consider greater than their own existance.
I asume the most will pretty soon eliminate all local threats or migrate to safe stellar systems. So the ONLY remaining threats comes from the
Again, not true - as long as there is another being or an object of any kind near you, it is a potential threat. Every individual in their
civilization will be a potential threat, and this outlook will prevent their civilization from surviving much longer than the nuclear age - forget
about nanotechnology or interstellar drives! Hell, we're lucky we're still alive, considering the abysmal state of humanity and the constant threat
of WWIII just around the corner ever since WWII ended.
For axample an other race equally or superior developed. So what does an immortal nearly omnipotent race? It destroys all threats which means all
civilizations which they can get their tentacles on.
I guess you mean "potential threats", since if they are nearly omnipotent, then a weak race like us cannot be an immediate threat - but we do have
potential to evolve and then challenge them one day, so we should probably be eliminated now as a safety measure. And you know, it is very likely that
there are races that are doing just that! You say that this cannot be so because we exist - but that is also assuming that the universe is limited and
that you CAN somehow end up dominating or destroying every other race in existance - but what if existance is infinite in scope?
Remember in intergallactic race encounters we have a whole other scheme then in wars on earth. We have races having at least thousends years of age
difference there is never a fair war. Its always up to the stronger race to erradiate the other one or not.
Also remember that there is a lot more room to run in space than there is on earth. I know on earth you can say something like "well you can't keep
running forever" but in space, maybe you can? Also more room to hide, especially considering the possibility of alternate realities and universes and
dimentions and any other such things we did not yet even conceive of. Also, technology does not have to scale linearly - certain beings and their
technology can be both very highly involved and yet entirely foreign to one another. One can use spaceships, wormholes, and lasers - another may be
using some electromagnetic quantum fields and exist on some other level of reality that the previously mentioned race is not even aware of. Kinda like
humans are not yet aware of the many creatures that live at the bottom of our oceans, since we do not have the technology to get that far yet, but
those creatures have a "natural" technology to easily exist there. So imagine a similar sort of dynamic in a cosmic sense.
So only one selfish super techno freak is enough to destroy the universe (all the life).
Again, assuming there is a limit to the universe. If the universe is a giant petri dish of organisms, sure why not. But what if it is limitless and
eternal? Then you can spend an eternity killing everything in sight and still have an eternity to go. And of course you can't forget the possibility
of non-physical reality and such things as souls and such, so perhaps an advanced race has advanced to the point of having no need for a physical
vehicle, and can learn to exist as pure energy, indestructable and eternal? So while a techno freak can certainly be bent on universe-domination, it
doesn't mean there there even exists the possibility of dominating the entirety of all that exists. That's still a question!
And the fact that we are still alive proves that there is no such freak although there were billions of years for such a freak to come into being.
This only leaves number 2.
That's only assuming that the universe is limited in scope and therefore conquerable. In my understanding, it's neither. And by universe I don't
necessarily mean "our universe", I just mean all that exists.
Consider this logic: If we really were the only race in existance, why did nothing else exist for an infinity of time before we came into being?
For example, assuming you are correct and a super powerful race dominated all others, how long ago do you think this should've occured? And what
happened before and afterwards, and for how long? You say they had billions of years to do this, but why only billions? What happened before that,
[edit on 12-12-2005 by lilblam]