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The War on Christmas!

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posted on Dec, 11 2005 @ 02:30 PM
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In today's America there is a growing trend, a trend against Christmas.

Many cities, including Boston, have started naming their Christmas trees "holiday trees". Why, should this be the case when 90% of Americans are Christain?

We don't see people calling manora(s) holiday candle sticks, because that would make no sense, and so it is with the Christmas tree.

Who is behind this trend, because it is not the American people. It is the super rich liberal elites...what they hope to gain by this i'm not sure, but we all should be worried.

Save Christmas!!


-- Boat

[edit on 11-12-2005 by Boatphone]




posted on Dec, 11 2005 @ 02:36 PM
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Worried about what? I severely doubt that calling the Christmas season "holiday season" is going to cause the collapse of modern western society. Honestly, what is the big deal? Since I've been a little kid the "holidays" were already synonomous with Christmas. I happen to be a Christian and I can tell you this American is behind the change. Seriously, if this is all you have to worry about in life you need to look at yourself pretty hard... Americans are saying "holiday"-- RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!!



posted on Dec, 11 2005 @ 02:40 PM
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My point is that IF it is "no big deal" then why is their such a push to get rid of the word Christmas. If it didn not matter then why some powerful people trying to change a Christmas tree to a holiday tree?

Also, again I would stae that one does not call a (Jewish) manora a holiday candle stick, because it has only one fuction, and that is part of the Jewish religion, not a general "holiday" function.



-- Boat



posted on Dec, 11 2005 @ 03:09 PM
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No one is trying to eliminate the word "Christmas"-- take it out of a few public venues, yes. This really is "not a big deal" because this is totally harmless to Christianity. We (Christians) like it or not, pretty much run the country. Not saying that to sound like it's a power hungry group... well not most, but it's just a simple thing of majority ruling. Boatphone, here's my question to you: do you still say Merry Christmas to your family and friends? I'm betting yes... so what is the deal? They won't say it to you when you walk into Wal-Mart? From my viewpoint that's cool with me... those greeter freaks practically chase you as it is. As long as you and the other 175 million (just a rough figure... please no one quote me on it... i have no idea exactly how many Christians are in our country...) Christians keep saying it to our friends and family... then no one takes "Christmas" out of our lives and the bombs don't fall. No one is stopping you from saying it, so don't stop anyone who wants to say "Holiday" instead.... It really doesn't matter!



posted on Dec, 11 2005 @ 03:20 PM
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Due to the great diversity in beliefs, for many people it is just a holiday season. It's logical at some point to call it that, because this period is an actual holiday for all around the globe, including billions of non-christians.



posted on Dec, 11 2005 @ 03:29 PM
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Originally posted by Boatphone

Who is behind this trend, because it is not the American people. It is the super rich liberal elites...what they hope to gain by this i'm not sure, but we all should be worried.

Save Christmas!!


-- Boat

[edit on 11-12-2005 by Boatphone]


I'd like to hear more about the super rich liberal elites. What is super rich? Bill Gates rich, or Oprah rich? And how elite? Best schools, country club, etc. elite? Do you know any of their names? Are they a part of this whole "New World Order" we keep hearing about?

Oh, Merry Ristmas, everybody!



posted on Dec, 11 2005 @ 03:31 PM
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Its simple really, some people most people actually celebrate Christmas and the New Year thus 'Happy Holidays'. Its plural man! We could say 'Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year' but we dont have all freaking day



posted on Dec, 11 2005 @ 03:38 PM
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Originally posted by Boatphone
Who is behind this trend, because it is not the American people. It is the super rich liberal elites...


These 'super rich liberal elites' are not Americans? Then who cares what they say?
And how can I become a member of this club because I'd like to be super rich.


Season's Greetings! Hope that doesn't offend anyone. I don't celebrate Christmas, but enjoy the holiday spirit all the same.



posted on Dec, 11 2005 @ 03:46 PM
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For all the Christians, I say Merry christmas!!!
For all the Jewish, I say Happy Hanukkah!!!
For all the Pagans, I say Happy Solstice!!!

For anybody I missed, I say to them Happy Holidays!!!!

(not a rich liberal elitist either, even though I'm a Canadian)



posted on Dec, 11 2005 @ 10:23 PM
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Saying happy holidays or seasons greetings is perfectly fine. I am just against calling a Christmas tree a "Holiday tree", this is because the only function of a the tree is to be part of the Christmas (and yes, I know it is a Pagan symbol, but in America it is mostly used for Christmas).

So, calling it a "Holiday Tree" undermines a Christmas tradition. George Souros is an example of a "liberal elite", and by elite I mean super rich.

-- Boat



posted on Dec, 12 2005 @ 07:51 AM
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Originally posted by Boatphone
I am just against calling a Christmas tree a "Holiday tree", this is because the only function of a the tree is to be part of the Christmas (and yes, I know it is a Pagan symbol, but in America it is mostly used for Christmas).


So, if I got a tree in my home you would be against me calling it whatever I wished? Would you 'be against' me calling it a Solstice tree?



posted on Dec, 12 2005 @ 08:24 AM
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You can call it what you want, I will call it what I want. But it does seem a bit disturbing that some do want to remove the Christmas holiday from the public square when 90 percent of the country celebrates Christmas. This is a tradition that has been going on since the begining of our nation. For many its more than a tradition its part of their religion, but when 90 percent of our country celebrates it, you dont cater to the other 10 percent. This is too big of a majority to just change things for a complete minority, it makes no sense. As for George Soros, I dont care, let him throw all the money he wants to away, its not gonna change. And if it does, its something for the people to decide, not politicians or the supreme court.



posted on Dec, 12 2005 @ 08:40 AM
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Originally posted by ludaChris
...its something for the people to decide, not politicians or the supreme court.


This is, ultimately, where the final answer lies. Regardless of politicians in power (they can be voted out), the public will decide how they're going to celebrate this time of the year.

I can't speak for the US nor Canada on this debate, but can only relate to the people with whom I am in constant touch. My friends and relatives are the ones that hear me, especially at this time of the year, and they are not 90% Christian. In fact, I would say they are a fairly even 3-way split. 30% Native American, 30% Christian and the rest a mix of atheist, as well as religions like Muslims, Jews and various Pagan traditions.

What happens in the public square has no impact on me at all. If they decide to call it a Happy Holiday, then that's all-inclusive without making 60% of the people I know feel sidelined.

right on



posted on Dec, 12 2005 @ 09:18 AM
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No, you are missing the point!

In your home you can call a Christmas Tree anything you want. I am against the fact that super rich liberal "elites" are using money and interest groups to get Christmas Trees in public squares to be called Holiday trees!

This is wrong. It downplays Christmas as the religion that 90% of Americans hold dear. Why, should 90% of the nation be forced to have the name of a key symnol of Christmas changed??

Again, you do not call a Jewish manora a "Holiday Candle Stick", if you did i'm sure their would be outrage!



-- Boat



posted on Dec, 12 2005 @ 09:21 AM
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Originally posted by Boatphone
No, you are missing the point!


Now we got it. Assuming sensationalized poppycock was your point.



posted on Dec, 12 2005 @ 09:23 AM
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Originally posted by RANT

Originally posted by Boatphone
No, you are missing the point!


Now we got it. Assuming sensationalized poppycock was your point.


I asure you this is not "poppycock" at all. This just happened in Boston, and people are really upset about it.

-- Boat



posted on Dec, 12 2005 @ 09:35 AM
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Originally posted by Boatphone
No, you are missing the point!


I'm not trying to miss the point, really. I'm trying to find out specifically what troubles you (and many others). I'm trying to understand. And I don't yet. Please don't lose patience with me, because I'd really like to find out exactly what bothers you and others like you. And I've NEVER gotten this question answered.



In your home you can call a Christmas Tree anything you want. I am against the fact that super rich liberal "elites" are using money and interest groups to get Christmas Trees in public squares to be called Holiday trees!


By whom? This is what I don't understand. You can call it a Christmas tree. SPECIFICALLY, who is it that is NOT calling it a Christmas tree that you think should call it a Christmas tree? WHO?



This is wrong. It downplays Christmas as the religion that 90% of Americans hold dear. Why, should 90% of the nation be forced to have the name of a key symnol of Christmas changed??


Approx 75% of US citizens are Christians, not 90%. And nobody is asking that 75% to call the tree anything different. They just want the freedom for SOME (only those who wish) to call it something different, not disrespectful, just different.

If you don't care what I call my tree, why do you care what the 25% call their tree or a public tree? As long as no one is being forced to call it something? Is someone being forced?



Again, you do not call a Jewish manora a "Holiday Candle Stick", if you did i'm sure their would be outrage!


I'm not so sure. I don't call it anything, because I don't use it. If I used it, I would call it whatever I want. If Jews got upset, I'd say, Too freaking bad. You don't own the damn thing, I do. They can call it what they like.



posted on Dec, 12 2005 @ 09:40 AM
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I dont know where all this came from and dont care. I celebrate Christmas and outside of a few Jewish friends, everyone gets the Merry Christmas from me.
When i go to a store, sometimes i am offended at their treatment of me. I'm not going to worry if a simple "Merry Christmas" is going to offend them


Live with it- I said brown bag, why are you giving me plastic?


This is the least of my worries!





Merry Christmas, everyone!



posted on Dec, 12 2005 @ 09:40 AM
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Here is a thought. What does a tree have to do with Christian Christmas? The tree in the home is a pagan ritual. I don't recall a lively decorated tree being present at the birth of Jesus. Isn't that what "Christmas" is supposed to be about?

Instead you would prefer Christians maintain the major symbol of materialism as their own? True Christians do not condone such symbols and would prefer Christmas reflect the birth of Jesus. Not you getting presents under your "Christmas Tree"

Sorry but I am 36 and clearly remember the Holiday Trees and Happy Holiday's wishes from my childhood. I live in right in the middle of the bible belt. This "war" is a Foxnews creation to drive a wedge within the country, boost ratings for Oreilly and Hannity and sell Gibsons book. Your argument about the majority is flawed at best. Can you provide proof this country is 90% Christian? I mean real Christian, not people who check the box so they aren't checking Atheist. Also let's pretend you are close on the numbers, we have a constitutional commitment to separate church and state. City/State trees should not refer to any religion. So until you stop seeing the Christmas tree as a Christian symbol, it should be the Holiday Tree.

Happy Holidays!



posted on Dec, 12 2005 @ 09:45 AM
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Originally posted by dgtempe
I'm not going to worry if a simple "Merry Christmas" is going to offend them



I have never heard of anyone being offended by that wish (unless of course, they're just a grinch. Some people just hate Christmas). I'm not at all offended!


The ones who are offended in this whole silly thing are the people like Boat, who seem to want to control what other people call the dang tree. And I swear I just don't get it!



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