Blue Star Kachina - The Eye of God, page 2

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reply posted on 18-12-2007 @ 11:02 AM by Oneshot1

Animal...I'm not talking about the trad stories told by respected Tribal members or grouping all the stories as fakes/frauds. There are some NA's who DO make up stories to advance their agenda's, they are in the fringe, but their voice seems to be heard and believed. I'm Mohawk and have spent much time with my Tono O'Dam(Hopi) brothers in AZ., the south-western area seems to have more of these frauds.

reply posted on 18-12-2007 @ 12:03 PM by Animal

reply to post by Oneshot1

fair enough man, i hear you. whats more i have to agree with you as there will always be those who are not truthful. i was not trying to flame you, only speak up in defense of something(s) i respect.

i did not realize he papago - tohono o'odham and pima - akimel o'odham were considered part of the hopi tribe, i guess i will have to look into that.

reply posted on 18-12-2007 @ 07:23 PM by Vanitas

reply to post by smirkley

As you say, the "blue star" will have to appear - which, by definition, means become visible (to ordinary human eyesight).
Moreover, it implies something that is usually "not there".

You will probably remember that the said "Blue star" supposedly appeared at least once, possibly several times, in the past. (I know so because I heard it from Hopis.)

It wouldn't be too far-fetched, then, to assume that the "final" apparition of Kachina would be the same "star," or whatever it is, that appeared in the past.
(How else would they recognise it?)

[edit on 18-12-2007 by Vanitas]

reply posted on 20-4-2008 @ 10:38 PM by Thurisaz

bumping this one; tis 2003 but interesting as relates to blue star Kachina and I just read about this on another thread.

reply posted on 20-4-2008 @ 10:47 PM by Vanitas

reply to post by smirkley

As a (former) great lover of the "Hopi prophecy" I feel I absolutely must warn you that there is no evidence that said "prophecy" even existed before the 1970s.

It was discussed - well, mentioned - in this thread.

And it pains me, believe me.
I used to love it.

P.S. Sorry, I only now noticed that the suspect nature of the "prophecy" was already mentioned here.

[edit on 20-4-2008 by Vanitas]

reply posted on 20-4-2008 @ 10:52 PM by Thurisaz

Originally posted by Byrd
Mmmkay...

First, the "Blue Star Kachina" is not an ancient legend, but rather a modern legend that arose after the Ghost Dance prophecy started sweeping the Native American nations in the late 1800's. In traditional teachings, there is no "great spirit"; the people were made by Grandmother Spider.

I believe the source of this prophecy is actually Dan Katchongva (1865-1972).

Secondly, the "prophecy rock" is a modern fake. Or, rather, TWO modern fakes.

Hi Vanitas ... yes tis a shame, nice though to read some accurate info being put up. I am curious about the blue star that is why I searched for it and found this. Just wonder if there is any truth to it at all?

reply posted on 20-4-2008 @ 10:57 PM by Vanitas

reply to post by Thurisaz

You know, Thurisaz... the good news, the REALLY good news, at least in my opinion, is that legends - even "fake" ones - very often DO bespeak a wider truth.
In other words, even though they may be made up as a particular story, they might in fact be on the mark - without consciously knowing it.
(Hence the quotation marks above.