WAR: Israel Prepares Troops for Attack on Iran, page 4
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reply posted on 12-12-2005 @ 04:28 PM by RebelSaint
Originally posted by crusader
Hmm Not only in the region,. do you feel that arabs living in the west are not seething? When that happens they will repel.Note, I don't think it will rally all Muslims, Note most of the muslims that are engage in the infighting with the west are Sunnis. The majority of those in Iran are #ies, So it might be a whole diffrent stroke, Currently the arabs want to gain back their pride. It's not only religious but nationalism being thrown in the fray here.


My post was titled 2006 World War because it will eventually spread worldwide. You bring up an excellent point about Arabs in the Western nations rebelling. This in my opinion is the X factor for the institution of Martial Law especially in America in order to contain "domestic terrorism".

I don't know why you do not think that the Arab world will not rally together to fight what is obviously a nation by nation move to conquer the Middle East. Sunni or #ie will not matter if all Arabs feel equally threatened by what is happening to them. I don't think the Arabs want to regain their pride as much as regain land lost to the West or regained by the West (depending on your historical bias).

While nationalism is one of the strongest motivators for fighting, religion is inherently even more encompassing because it not only includes nationalism but binds several nations of religious compatibility together to form an alliance. This is why America is a Judaeo-Christian nation. We share shared values and traditions with countries like England, France, Germany (sans 1939-1945) and Israel. This is also why the world's last superpower will come to the aid of a smaller than Rhode Island sized nation because of shared values. This is also the same reason why Arabs in Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran and other nations would unite in order to defend against Western power.


reply posted on 12-12-2005 @ 10:59 PM by The Vagabond
Originally posted by ncbrian211
People think about this.... Russia, a country that is hurting for money has close buisness ties with Iran, who is supplying Russia with income. So Russia is just going to sit back as Israel destroys one of Russias buisness deals.


The balance is tipped a bit against Iran though. Neither America nor Russia is likely willing to take this to the next level; they might each be willing to fight a small skirmish in the air, maybe a few SF encounters against one another, but they both know that America stands a strong chance of winning in such a scenario.
So the question for Russia is, are they willing to gamble on a bluff by putting more forces in Iran than they are actually willing to engage in a fight with America, and hope that America blinks first?

I think America would blink if we had to, but if it were possible to get the job done in the air without actually harming too many Russians, we'd do it, and Russia would just be in a pretty pickle- they'd either have to back down before somebody gets hurt or go a lot farther than they ever intended to go.

Even if America isn't directly involved, will Russia go to the mat with Israel and risk either A. being forced into an all-out invasion of Iraq if the Arabs can't do it. B. getting into a nuclear confrontation with Israel.

At the end of the day I think it comes down to Russia's confidence in its airpower and air defenses, and their willingness to up the ante as far as is needed to pull out a victory if they should get their nose bloodied at first.


Edit to add: I think we're getting a little ahead of ourselves envisioning a world war over Iran.

There will of course be reactions, but I suspect they will be subtle ones for the most part- well at least subtle compared to the kind of scenario which a doomsayer might predict.

The worst imaginable scenario would of course be that Russia and the EU head a UN movement to remove America and Great Britain from the Security Council and vote to intervene- All American bases in Europe are quarantined, Russia uses the attack as an excuse to occupy the Caucuses while moving South to reinforce Iran, India declares neutrality, Pakistan suffers a coup, China gets permission to send forces through Tajikistan and Northern Pakistan to Afghanistan and on to Iran, and in exchange for this assisstance gets the new Security Council's blessing for an invasion of Taiwan, and the US will be looking at options for to start the whole thing fresh with a landing at Vladivostok before you can say "Tom Clancy"- then we all die in a nuclear holocaust.

None of that's gonna happen.

Assuming that Russia only commits to a minor skirmish and loses to Israel alone, the Arabs and the Persians will turn off the oil tap and demand a UN mandate removing US troops from Iraq and replacing them with a primarily Middle-Eastern separating force in Iraq to keep Israel away from Iran. It may happen, it may not- depends on how many votes they can command in the general assembly for threatening a shakeup of the Security Council in the event of a veto.

Russia will move forces and aircraft to Syria and issue some retribution, nuclear threats will be exchanged, people are going to realize that it's not an idle threat anymore and start making compromises. Israel may push away from the table and concede at this point if they feel they've done enough damage to the Iranian program.

[edit on 12-12-2005 by The Vagabond]


reply posted on 13-12-2005 @ 11:31 AM by deltaboy
Originally posted by Jakomo

Pfft. It's not 1948 anymore. If Israel dared to attack Iran, they would be crushed. The USA would be forced to withdraw support from them, and without US support, they would no longer get the best military hardware for free.


It may not be 1948 and the Muslim nations military power has changed and grow but that dont mean that Israel just kept the old equipment that helped them win the previous wars against the Muslim nations in the first place. Israel as also advanced and kept the quality of their weaponry to help compensate for the disadvantage of being outnumber.

As soon as Israel drops a nuclear weapon, the world would unite against them. Maybe not militarily, but economically. No more trading partners = no more Israel.


You cant be certain that Israel would drop the bomb first. Maybe Iran if they get their own since they have pursue their dream of wiping Israel off the map.

How can you be a victim when you have been militarily oppressing another country for more than 30 years? With a vastly superior military and economy. Israel stopped being the victim a long time ago, now they are the aggressors. This threat to Iran is further proof.


Threat to Iran? Israel has yet to attack Iran, while Iran has been supporting terrorist groups to attack Israel.

Without blind USA support, Israel would NEVER be where they are now, and that, my friend, is a fact. So if they do something to lose that support, it's over.




Even without the U.S. Israel has the ability to adapt. Look at South Africa.
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