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NEWS: Racial Riots Erupt In Sydney Australia

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posted on Dec, 11 2005 @ 02:02 PM
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Originally posted by Opus
So er um... is multiculturalism working yet ?


What is the point of this comment exactly ? Sounds like you're trying to do some trolling


Australia functions as a multicultural society and it works very well. You can't base your opinion of the whole country from what little you've read. Let me guess, you also label all Muslims as terrorists as well ?




posted on Dec, 11 2005 @ 02:55 PM
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Originally posted by mad scientist

Originally posted by Opus
So er um... is multiculturalism working yet ?


What is the point of this comment exactly ? Sounds like you're trying to do some trolling


Australia functions as a multicultural society and it works very well. You can't base your opinion of the whole country from what little you've read. Let me guess, you also label all Muslims as terrorists as well ?



Just a question posted out of frustration. And no I do not label all Muslims as terrorist. Read my previous post on this subject, I did assumed the individual being attacked was not involved the incidents which sparked the situation. Further as I also said "I hope this simmers down . I’ve seen enough riots for one year.”



posted on Dec, 11 2005 @ 03:05 PM
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More news is coming out. A Channel 7 has reported that when the man was stabbed outside the golf course, the Lebanese gang threatened to gang rape the women who were with him.



posted on Dec, 11 2005 @ 03:33 PM
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nothing to do with racial hate only with the passion and love for there own country.

I lope the dutch are going to do streets in same way otherwise we might get same thing like those in Paris france when the orignal habitans of the country in question had to suffer by the terror of the foreign people which came out and terrorised all.

finally people are standing up and are against this.

Lets go to the streets same manner and go on until the governement disclose the existence of aliens and that the mayor governements got contacts with them



posted on Dec, 11 2005 @ 04:09 PM
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Originally posted by mad scientist
More news is coming out. A Channel 7 has reported that when the man was stabbed outside the golf course, the Lebanese gang threatened to gang rape the women who were with him.


So does that mean you realise yet that I wasn't making any of this up, that I havent deviated from truth. Do I get that apology you promised me if you were wrong yet?

Now that dawn has bought all the reports that you said I was making up, the serious injuries the hundreds of cars smashed, the many many many carloads of youths, the people bashed, the man stabbed? last night you said it all didn't happen, that the rioting hadn't spread, that there was only Cronullla that the rest hadn't happened. Now this morning you must still be seeing the same reports I am seeing, are you ready to accept it did happen? You said in your last u2u to me that you didn't mean to sound like I was making this up, but it was clearly stated that very thing by you. I am not here to gloat by any means, that is not my way oof being but you made serious serious allegations as to my truthfullness and integrity last night that I would like cleared up. The fact is you said everything I had said was fiction and it's not.

Riwka, Australia is very multicultural but in answer to your question I would say both, a youth issue and a racial one. The ethnic races have always seprated into minority groups. At Brighton Le Sands and other beach points these youths "hang out" in the cars, driving up and down so i guess you could say this was a powderkeg waiting to blow somewhere. in Wollongong, just south of this area 100's of cars line up most nights with youths sitting around bored waiting for something to happen. You are identified as a person by your ethnicity. Skips are White Australian, named for skippy the bush Kangroo, then there is Lebs, Serbs, Maco's, Greeks, Turks, Italians, Asians and more. People are proud of the anscestry and although many of the groups tolerate each other there is often tension especially towards Skips. Many of each groups are of mixed origin, Many Serbs girls for example will date Lebs boys or greek boys but a Serb girl dating a Skip boy is discouraged by both peers and family.

My daughter is half Serb, when she is with these same groups and she knows many of them, she is a "Serb" and doesn't acknowledge her white parent (me). Her Serb cousin is going out with a Leb boy and she hates Skip boys and none in the social group (they "hang" at Brighton Le Sands) will date Skips or have skip girls in their group. Its all madness really.

This violence we are seeing now has been passed on from prior generations, when I was dating my daughters father 19 years ago I saw this hatred of white Australians for many years from his family and sub culture, so it has been under the surface festering for many years. It has passed down to the next generation. It is a fascinating sub culture of very different ideas and thoguhts to what multi culturalism is projected.

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posted on Dec, 11 2005 @ 04:29 PM
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Originally posted by Mayet
Now that dawn has bought all the reports that you said I was making up, the serious injuries the hundreds of cars smashed, the many many many carloads of youths, the people bashed, the man stabbed? last night you said it all didn't happen, that the rioting hadn't spread, that there was only Cronullla that the rest hadn't happened. Now this morning you must still be seeing the same reports I am seeing, are you ready to accept it did happen? You said in your last u2u to me that you didn't mean to sound like I was making this up, but it was clearly stated that very thing by you. I am not here to gloat by any means, that is not my way oof being but you made serious serious allegations as to my truthfullness and integrity last night that I would like cleared up.


Well lets see then. There were no shootings, there were definately no policemen shot - so I'd say that's 2 pretty big points which claim happened, but didn't.Oh yeah there were no people assualted in restaurants either.

Whilst it had spread, which I acknowleged, it wasn't the end of the world which you tried to make out.

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posted on Dec, 11 2005 @ 04:36 PM
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Originally posted by Mayet
This violence we are seeing now has been passed on from prior generations, when I was dating my daughters father 19 years ago I saw this hatred of white Australians for many years from his family and sub culture, so it has been under the surface festering for many years. It has passed down to the next generation. It is a fascinating sub culture of very different ideas and thoguhts to what multi culturalism is projected.


Well the Serbs and their slavic neighbours seem to have hate genetically built into them as history tells us

What is interesting is the media is trying to say everyone is equally at fault
I disagree, the lebanes/middle eastern gangs are the main cause of the problem. I speak from experience.
Buringn the flag for me is unacceptable. They did themsleves no favours at all, I guess they don't have the brains for anything else.

Now I hvae to wonder, would enough hate be generated that some of these ' lebs ' would blow themselves up ? this day and age anything is possible.



posted on Dec, 11 2005 @ 04:44 PM
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I see its too big for you to apologise to me. That is fine. As previously stated and showed my source, there were reports of a shooting. Every single other thing I said has been verified including every bit of my first submission.

But it still doesn't excuse the fact you said everything I said was fiction, that I made it all up.

I'll leave it now as can see you will not admit your wrong publicly and I understand that, because I know it is hard for some people to do.

Back to the riots.



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posted on Dec, 11 2005 @ 04:59 PM
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Originally posted by Mayet
Racial riots between Middle Eastern Ethnics and Australians have erupted in Sydney's eastern suburbs in retaliation of the bashing of lifeguards at Cronulla beach last week by men of Middle eastern appearance. Thousands of Australians responded with text messages all week inviting people to a "take back our beach" rally today at Cronulla. Police arrested many Australians and one ambulance that was taking some middle eastern people to hospital was pelted with beer bottles as were the officers protecting it. Tonight hundreds of Middle eastern people are driving in the Eastern suburbs smashing cars and and there are reports of shootings with Australians being bashed in restaurants. The rioting has spread to other suburbs and all police available have been called into the area to help contain the violence. Police have set roadblocks in the area, stopping anyone of middle eastern appearance with crowds yelling "get out Lebs" and people speaking of their fathers protecting this land against this very thing. The rioters vary in age from teens through to middle aged men and women and the violence appears to be escalating out of control.


You got maybe half right
Don't go BSing that you were completely right, no more than 50%. Australians weren't being bashed in restaurants, nor were poeple shooting guns, nor were any police shot.

I hate to see what would happen if you got it wrong


Everything else, I haven't bolded happened at Cronulla, which I acknowleged.
So please, don't lecture me, lok in your own backyard, eh. Class is out.



posted on Dec, 11 2005 @ 05:09 PM
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I feel kind of bad because they're parading around wearing the Australian flag and bashing non-Australians.
Makes me feel ashamed for living under that flag.



posted on Dec, 11 2005 @ 05:18 PM
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Originally posted by Nventual
I feel kind of bad because they're parading around wearing the Australian flag and bashing non-Australians.
Makes me feel ashamed for living under that flag.


Well these same ethnic Australians were burning the flag last night and it isn't the first time. They have more pride in the Lebanese flag - a country which most have never been to BTW - than ours.



posted on Dec, 11 2005 @ 05:20 PM
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No no, I meant the Australian's that were bashing the lebs were wearing the flags, and it made it look like Australia as a whole doesn't welcome other nationalities.



posted on Dec, 11 2005 @ 05:27 PM
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Not to be pedantic. But you said i made ALL OF IT UP. You said IT WAS ALL FICTION. Now your story changes.

I said I had reports of shootings and a bashing in restaurants. Given the fact that there are man many reports of bashings, how do you know there wasn't one at a restaurant. How do you know that the club bashing wasn't also described in some reports as a restaurant bashing. How do you know there wasn't a restaurant bashing? Perhaps it wasn't reported by msm. I had this particular report and I showed you where the exact report was, from an eyewitness in the immediate vicinity. I have not waivered from the truth once yet I find I have to continually defend myself and be told I am making it up.

There were guns. There was police reports quoted in this thread of guns being waved, all my points proved you seem to gloss over and ignore in your efforts instead of a simple apology.

Once again I said reports of a shooting. I have reports of a shooting. Please see what the meaning of reports are. Reports are reports and that is exactly what I said and what it is.

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posted on Dec, 11 2005 @ 05:47 PM
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Originally posted by mad scientist

Originally posted by Nventual
I feel kind of bad because they're parading around wearing the Australian flag and bashing non-Australians.
Makes me feel ashamed for living under that flag.


Well these same ethnic Australians were burning the flag last night and it isn't the first time. They have more pride in the Lebanese flag - a country which most have never been to BTW - than ours.


Nventual I feel the same and I am an Australian, born of Lebanese descent, but I am Australian and respect that this is where I live. This disgusts me yet I am not surprised, this was coming and I did refer to this happening here soon enough in a few posts.

Anybody defending either side is just claiming their ignroance on this situation because neither of them are right
wtf ?
They all ought to be ashamed of themselves. This has been happening for years, on a smaller scale of course, and all it took was all the recent events regarding "terrorists" which in turn turns into a race issue and hence here becomes "Wogs Vs Skips" (referencing mad scientists comment on "skippy/skips")
So U see sir, we are all 'labelled' I can tell U how many times I have been called a "wog" or a "Black Muslim b****" etc etc ... but what does this prove ? we all know it happens and will continue to happen. Thing is though, I don't give words power over me, so none of that phases me and more people need to take this approach to racism. I understand it phases alot of these young men today though, Caucasian and Ethnic alike whether it be the Lebanese, Indians, Asians, Italians etc ... there is always some drama between Aussies and some other race here and everywhere.
It is no secret that some of these Lebanese youth in Sydney (and some in Melbourne) are criminals, bad apples, their own people will even agree, but the police need to do their damn jobs.

And of course the media are not helping, only making things worse.

mad scientist, For you to assume "most" of these young people have never been to back to Lebanon is quite ignorant of you, many actually do travel back to the ME, and it is often encouraged by the families, hence many trips are made by the youngsters to my knowledge and from what I see. Very little do not and these are usually the ones who turn their back to the religion or the arab life-style in general.
I am one of the few who have not been back for along time, and U will never see me rioting nor anywhere near nonsense like this nor fighting an Aussie simply because he/she is caucasian. See how looks can be decieving ? I may look arab, yet I am so un-arab in my lifestyle, behaviour, opinions and thoughts.

Hell, let them fight, make it official for those who want to and let them beat the crap out of each other, then ask them afterwards what they have accomplished
They are just fighting for no apparent good reason at all.

All I have stated is just MO, I do not know the full extent of the behaviours of the youth in Sydney, nor do I care to know, I can tell U how glad I am that I don't live in Sydney though. We have our bad apples in Melbourne, but I'll be damned if it will ever get as bad as what I hear goes on in Sydney.



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posted on Dec, 11 2005 @ 05:58 PM
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Gosh yes Im Jaded. I missed that one. Many many many go back to their homelands for visits. Someyouth even go back to the old country for national service and to find wives and husbands too. Some just go back to visit family but many many go back.

I too hope it doesn't spread to Melbourne it wuld be terrible if it did given the high number of ethnic minorites there. Melbourne is one of the most if not the most multicultural cities in Australian..and oh the food, al that wonderful rich food yum. These ethnics have bought so much to our country and enriched it in so many ways. The new cultures and ways are great, now if we can only find middle ground and all get along it would be great.



posted on Dec, 11 2005 @ 05:58 PM
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Originally posted by ImJaded
mad scientist, For you to assume "most" of these young people have never been to back to Lebanon is quite ignorant of you, many actually do travel back to the ME, and it is often encouraged by the families, hence many trips are made by the youngsters to my knowledge and from what I see. Very little do not and these are usually the ones who turn their back to the religion or the Arab life-style in general.


I'm only speaking from experience. I work with several Lebanese people - this is mostly what I've picked up from them. What I found amazing as well is how many other middle easterners don't like Lebanese either. Although they don't say so publicly.



I am one of the few who have not been back for along time, and U will never see me rioting nor anywhere near nonsense like this nor fighting an Aussie simply because he/she is Caucasian. See how looks can be deceiving ? I may look Arab, yet I am so un-arab in my lifestyle, behaviour, opinions and thoughts.


I dont think many of the people who were rioting were doing so to further the cause of Arabs. This is a specific group in Sydney, crap has been happening at Cronulla for years, I have experienced a Lebanese gang first hand in the city. They were doing nothing more than looking for a fight, abusing the gals we were with. The thing is I'm Jaded, these Lebanese youth gangs have such a bad rap over the years of problems. There was the middle eastern gang rape trials 2 years ago etc.


PS. When your an ethnic group and you burn the flag, it doesn't go down too well, if you get my drift


PS. The more I here about these labanese/Middle Eastern men, the more they come across as the cowards they are.


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posted on Dec, 11 2005 @ 06:13 PM
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Mayet, sad to think that all those points U brought up about the culture the people have brought here take a backseat when things like this happen.

What is happening to us ?



Originally posted by mad scientist
I'm only speaking from experience. I work with several Lebanese people - this is mostly what I've picked up from them. What I found amazing as well is how many other middle easterners don't like Lebanese either. Although they don't say so publicly.


I understand that U are speaking from your experiences, as I am
And yes it would be surprising to hear this, although we do recognize the bad apples in our people the same as any group of people does.




I dont think many of the people who were rioting were doing so to further the cause of Arabs. This is a specific group in Sydney, crap has been happening at Cronulla for years, I have experienced a Lebanese gang first hand in the city. They were doing nothing more than looking for a fight, abusing the gals we were with.

Thing is I'm Jaded, these Lebanese youth gangs have such a bad rap over the years of problems. There was the middle eastern gang rape trials 2 years ago etc.


This I understand completely and they have nobody to blame but themselves.
That trial made me sick to my stomach.


PS. When your an ethnic group and you burn the flag, it doesn't go down too well, if you get my drift



Agreed and I certainly get your drift, this is shameful behaviour, by all parties involved and it needs to end soon. Nobody is above the law and this turn of events just shows that some think they are.

I want to know where are these kids' parents ?
Granted, some of the parents would condone this behaviour given the cause they think they are fighting for, and because of their backwards way of thinking, some though I hope will be quick to put their foot in the rear of their child participating in such nonsense. I know I would, nor would my parents tolerate it.


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posted on Dec, 11 2005 @ 06:13 PM
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How are they cowards? Both sides believe they are right, both sides are wrong.

Thats the kind of comment that inflames situations "Lebanese men are cowards". Huh?

All this has detracted from my one question, where did these text messages originate? Who stirred the pot? Who put ideas into heads. Who aimed the loaded gun?



posted on Dec, 11 2005 @ 06:21 PM
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Originally posted by Mayet
How are they cowards? Both sides believe they are right, both sides are wrong.

That's the kind of comment that inflames situations "Lebanese men are cowards". Huh?


SIGH, have you ever come across a Lebanese gang or been on the receiving end ? didn't think so. You don't even live in Sydney. The men who are in these gangs are cowards, they hunt in packs looking to assault the weak. If it isn't 3 on 1 then they won't do anything.



All this has detracted from my one question, where did these text messages originate? Who stirred the pot? Who put ideas into heads. Who aimed the loaded gun?


Who stirred the pot ? Hmm, well you'd have to say it happened when they bashed the 2 lifeguards without provocation. Lets call a spade a spade, shall we



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posted on Dec, 11 2005 @ 06:23 PM
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Originally posted by mad scientist

PS. The more I here about these labanese/Middle Eastern men, the more they come across as the cowards they are.


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Now now, your after-thought is quite a controversial one dear.
You are directing this label to a whole group of men ?

Some are great, some are bad. Because one may be bad it doesn't make him a coward for fighting for what he believes in, even if it is BS to us as outsiders looking in.
I don't doubt these men think they are actually fighting for a cause, for something they believe in to be worth all this.

Some just get caught up in the fights because their friends/family are involved.
I just don't agree with any of it.



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