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NEWS: Racial Riots Erupt In Sydney Australia

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posted on Dec, 14 2005 @ 06:32 PM
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I don't know how many of the people talking actually live in Australia but this isn't entirely racism.
I live around Black Town, and let me tell you that place is a hell hole. There are gangs everywhere the problem is they group up with their own. If you look around you aren’t going to find a White and Chinese gang.
So when one attacks another it’s more to do with they are sick of the BS from them, it just happens to be they are a different race, it's a god dam paradox.
I've been mugged countless of times by both white Australians, Lebanese and Chinese.
They're all as bad as each other, tensions between everyone have been on the edge for at least a decade so it's no wonder why this has erupted when the government does hardly anything to combat the problem. But, that being said, you do make friends with other people in the community. Now that I think of it I work with 3 Muslims (2 Migrants), and many Chinese. I don't care who you are but if you’re going to be a social menace then get out.
Fine I would move, but my work is here plus I haven't got the money to move to a "nice suburban area".

For the record I'm not a racist, I hate everyone equally


[edit on 14-12-2005 by do_no_evil_see_no_evil]




posted on Dec, 14 2005 @ 06:41 PM
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Yes I agree there. it is a bored miss spent youth issue just as much as on the surface it appears racial.

it can come from any party, the aussies, the lebanese, the greeks, the asians but most, not all but most are youth groups or gangs of youths. social sub sets.



posted on Dec, 14 2005 @ 06:58 PM
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For those who don't know Cronulla has always had a gang problem.
It was decade or so ago when they had the bikey problems from memory or was that further west?
Also the press is exaggerating the riots, it's only in ONE suburb area. I haven't had any problems and no where else in the country has so I wish everyone would calm down.


[edit on 14-12-2005 by do_no_evil_see_no_evil]



posted on Dec, 14 2005 @ 07:05 PM
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Milperra in sydney's west had the bikie gang problems (as far as i know - see Millperra Massacre). In the 1960s it was the Surfers Vs the Rockers. Rockers being Anglo-Saxon people from Sydney's west. It's nothing new, just a different bunch of troublemakers these days.



posted on Dec, 14 2005 @ 07:12 PM
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My point exactly, it’s just gang violence. All this "race riot" crap I hear from the foreign media is driving me nuts. Australia is a multicultural society, if there is going to be a large fight it's going to be inevitable that's its going to involve people from different cultures.



posted on Dec, 14 2005 @ 07:18 PM
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Originally posted by do_no_evil_see_no_evil
My point exactly, it’s just gang violence. All this "race riot" crap I hear from the foreign media is driving me nuts. Australia is a multicultural society, if there is going to be a large fight it's going to be inevitable that's its going to involve people from different cultures.


Anything to put arabs in a bad light, U know how it goes now


Seems people like to live life here ignoring the gang violence until it suits them to address it IMO. If it was such a big issue I am more than sure more people would be making noise about it. I think it is an issue to be addressed no matter how small or big the problem, but hey who am I ?
I just know to disassociate myself with it. I know it isn't that easy to up n move sometimes and I thank U for addressing your side of it do_no_evil_see_no_evil


I see this has taken a back seat on the news already
lol



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posted on Dec, 14 2005 @ 07:21 PM
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Originally posted by ImJaded

Originally posted by do_no_evil_see_no_evil
My point exactly, it’s just gang violence. All this "race riot" crap I hear from the foreign media is driving me nuts. Australia is a multicultural society, if there is going to be a large fight it's going to be inevitable that's its going to involve people from different cultures.


Anything to put arabs in a bad light, U know how it goes now


If anything it's putting ' white' Australians in a bad light. It is being reported mostly that it was the 'white' people beating up the Arabs, with little mention of the overwhelming response by Arab gangs.



posted on Dec, 14 2005 @ 07:52 PM
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Originally posted by mad scientist

If anything it's putting ' white' Australians in a bad light. It is being reported mostly that it was the 'white' people beating up the Arabs, with little mention of the overwhelming response by Arab gangs.



U and I realize this, as do many, but some still are pointing their finger at the arabs involved. Those responsible for starting these riots obviously didn't think of the repercussions of their actions though did they ?
Anybody could have predicted how the arabs would react, and I feel that has been covered also. Just worried what's next.

[edit on 14-12-2005 by ImJaded]



posted on Dec, 14 2005 @ 08:14 PM
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Originally posted by mad scientist

Originally posted by ImJaded

Originally posted by do_no_evil_see_no_evil
My point exactly, it’s just gang violence. All this "race riot" crap I hear from the foreign media is driving me nuts. Australia is a multicultural society, if there is going to be a large fight it's going to be inevitable that's its going to involve people from different cultures.


Anything to put arabs in a bad light, U know how it goes now


If anything it's putting ' white' Australians in a bad light. It is being reported mostly that it was the 'white' people beating up the Arabs, with little mention of the overwhelming response by Arab gangs.




Yeah, ABC and SBS are the only FTA tv stations in Australia that have actually distinguished between the demostration on Sunday and all the rioting that was done Sunday and Monday nights. Channel 7, 9 and 10 have all made it out that the people who were at the rally on Sunday are the ones responsible for all the damage. (Why would they damage their own property?).

Besides the coverage that ABC and SBS have produced, the only other realiable source is the Telegraph in the UK. Australia's media is absolutely appalling.



posted on Dec, 14 2005 @ 08:18 PM
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Originally posted by ImJaded

Originally posted by mad scientist

If anything it's putting ' white' Australians in a bad light. It is being reported mostly that it was the 'white' people beating up the Arabs, with little mention of the overwhelming response by Arab gangs.



U and I realize this, as do many, but some still are pointing their finger at the arabs involved. Those responsible for starting these riots obviously didn't think of the repercussions of their actions though did they ?


[edit on 14-12-2005 by ImJaded]




I hope you dont consider these " repercussions " as justified, and sadly i get the feeling that you do.
I wonder if the the Lebanese/muslim community considered the repercussions when members of there community committed racially motivated gang rapes, Where caught in the advanced stages of a terrorist attack, when one of there clerics announced on public TV that Osama Binladen is a good man, when some of there youth attacked lifeguards at the beach etc etc so on and so forth.



posted on Dec, 14 2005 @ 08:20 PM
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Originally posted by headspace
Australia's media is absolutely appalling.


it most certainly is. When I feel the need to watch televised news I watch SBS, I feel they are the most neutral and most informative. And they cover actual news.
I usually just get a good laugh out of what 7, 9 and 10 consider 'news'
and how they report it. They're the CNN and FOX of Australia IMO


Although I do like to watch 60 Minutes when I remember I have a TV




[edit on 14-12-2005 by ImJaded]



posted on Dec, 14 2005 @ 08:42 PM
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your all right though, Ive been watching the coverage closely and watching the coverage as well as the issues being covered. ABC has been toned down, not sensationalized and not making a media circus by jumping everytime someone opens their mouths. The commerical media however has been incredible, squeezing every single drop out of it, interviewing people who really have nothing to do with it at all. Its been an incredible experience really news.com.au had three stories in an hour on it and abc had two for the whole day, brief and to the point.


[edit on 14-12-2005 by Mayet]



posted on Dec, 14 2005 @ 08:50 PM
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^^^^ I was watching the morning news a few days ago and they had the ' Bra Boys ' gang leaders the Abberton brothers meeting with Keysar Trad. ( The Abbertons BTW, were implicate din the death of a local drug dealer )
It was quite commical, every time the reporter asked Joel Abberton about what he thinks yshould be done, all he kept on saying was we want nothing to do with it, Cronulla isn't Maroubra.
I thought ot myslef what's the point of interviewing him, if he isn't going to say anything remotely constructive.

PS. I've had people from America talking on the phone asking me about all this. Their news is portrayin all the violence as being committed by the 'whites'
Is this PC gone insane or what ?



posted on Dec, 14 2005 @ 09:19 PM
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Originally posted by mad scientist
Is this PC gone insane or what ?


Yep, everybody is scared to just come out and say who the trouble makers really are. All politicians are '' on the issue afraid that some tool with no knowledge of the incident will call them racist.

[edit on 14-12-2005 by Nerdling]



posted on Dec, 14 2005 @ 09:23 PM
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Originally posted by NumberCruncher

I hope you dont consider these " repercussions " as justified, and sadly i get the feeling that you do.


Well we still have yet to see the extent of their actions, I don't think this is over. I for one won't be surprised if the arabs don't let this go for awhile, if ever. And no I do not, why do U think I do ?
I think the ones involved should be punished, all of them. We don't need people like this in the world.


I wonder if the the Lebanese/muslim community considered the repercussions when members of there community committed racially motivated gang rapes, Where caught in the advanced stages of a terrorist attack, when one of there clerics announced on public TV that Osama Binladen is a good man, when some of there youth attacked lifeguards at the beach etc etc so on and so forth.


Probably not, it's obvious these people have no self respect or good, wholesome values so why would U expect them to respect other people ?

But see NumberCruncher, as I have stated before, although some people do bad things, normal people don't blame the entire race of the people at fault. The ones that do, as seen in this event, are racist.

Why should the Lebanese community, let alone the entire arab community, be held accountable for the actions of a few retards ?

I don't think ALL anglo saxans are bad for one or two or countless ones who have harrassed me or my family. If U can't deal with your own backyard what on Earth would make U think U can take on the world ?



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posted on Dec, 14 2005 @ 09:26 PM
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THat is part of the problem it is seen as random violence and not that there is some root to it besides being an fool. Waht about the white power groups there? What do you think they do on a regular basis? What about the Lebanese youth? how much do you know about the their everyday life? People just don't start acting violent for no reason. something must have pushed those youth like something pushed those Arians. What about the text messaging? what about the flag waving? Where does that fit in this "it just happended senario?

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Probably not, it's obvious these people have no self respect or good, wholesome values so why would U expect them to respect other people ?



talk like that starts the idea that somehow without communication you know why? I think that might not be true.

[edit on 12/09-2005 by BlackThought]

[edit on 12/09-2005 by BlackThought]



posted on Dec, 14 2005 @ 10:04 PM
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"If you keep getting bashed and bashed and bashed, of course you will get more and more violent, of course that will be the case."


This is i have to say nothing but a lie. I have never ever had a problem with any australian "gangs" as to say. Although the lebonese gangs are the ones who go around looking for a fight whenever they go out, i have only been jumped by a group of lebo, no aussie or asian gangs.
They lebo's are only getting bashed and bashed and bashed becasue they are picking fights they cant win.
People overseas must understand something though, all of these rioters in sydney are not muslim, i would say a small percentage are practising muslims. The chance is the more of them are acturly christian lebonese, so it has NOTHING to do with any religion. I dont know why they are asking for muslim leaders help? Waste of time, these guys dont care what a muslim leader says!



posted on Dec, 14 2005 @ 10:13 PM
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Originally posted by wang
People overseas must understand something though, all of these rioters in sydney are not muslim, i would say a small percentage are practising muslims. The chance is the more of them are acturly christian lebonese, so it has NOTHING to do with any religion. I dont know why they are asking for muslim leaders help? Waste of time, these guys dont care what a muslim leader says!


Why are so many Churches being attacked if these are Christian Lebanese?
You say this is nothing to do with religion just as people were saying the the riots in France had nothing to do with religion but both of the riots took place near muslim areas and both riots involved Churches being burned and both had some people chanting in Arabic.

Here's the news report on the Church attacks:
2005-12-14-Sydney-churches-attacked

Note that this was the sixth attack on one of the Churches in just the last 4 years so it wasn't all about retaliation over the incident at Cronulla on Sunday.


[edit on 14-12-2005 by AceOfBase]



posted on Dec, 14 2005 @ 10:20 PM
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Originally posted by BlackThought


Probably not, it's obvious these people have no self respect or good, wholesome values so why would U expect them to respect other people ?



talk like that starts the idea that somehow without communication you know why? I think that might not be true.


That was in response to the question posed to me, regarding the arabs involved in the riots, not a generalization.
I have stated before that it is no big secret here that some of the arabs in Sydney are notorious for their criminal and also general social "behaviour".
They are no saints and I will call them on it.

I also like to think I understand a little better because I have been subjected to arab behviour and can understand their logic ... sometimes altho majority of the time I disagree with it.

Along the lines of what U said about knowing about each other's hardships, I don't doubt that until both have an understanding of each other's culture there will be no peace between them.

And sadly I don't see that happening.



posted on Dec, 14 2005 @ 10:28 PM
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Originally posted by ImJaded
Along the lines of what U said about knowing about each other's hardships, I don't doubt that until both have an understanding of each other's culture there will be no peace between them.

And sadly I don't see that happening.


Well, it seems steps are already being taken to have some type of reconciliation. I saw this morning that leaders of both parties ( Arabs and Cronullan's ) met today at Cronulla. The Cronulla ringleaders ( the non white supremist's ), have apologised in written letters to the Arab leaders. It takes alot of guts to do this, so I can only feel that the remorse is genuine. Arab leaders have also written letters apologising for their youth.

So I'm Jaded, I am an optimistic person, I believe this could be the catalyst for a big change. I think most of the change will happen within the Sydney Arab community n the way they eduacte and deal with their youth

It will take a whiole though, nthing ever happens overnight, we just have to stay the course.




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