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reply posted on 15-12-2005 @ 04:27 PM by ludaChris
Originally posted by ArchAngel
Arch Angel why wont you admit that just because Israel did make the first attack, they didnt make the declaration of war, Egypt did.


Because its simply not true.

Egypt did not declare war until after the Israeli sneak attack.

It all goes back to the claims that Israel has some moral right to take land.

If the Arabs had attacked first the claim might have had some value, but with Israel as the aggressor all the while claiming self defense the right to take land is simply not there.

You can't steal land from your neighbors by invading in a sneak attack just because you 'knew' that they were going to attack.


What is it about the fact that Egypt commited an act of war by closing Israeli shipping lanes that you do not understand. Its international law under the code of casius belli(ACT OF WAR).



The first overt act of war in the crisis was Egypt’s blockade on May 22 of Israel’s southern port of Eilat and the Gulf of Aqaba, through which passed vital cargo including 80 percent of Israel’s oil imports. Blockading such an international waterway is recognized under international law as a casus belli, or act of war. That’s why, in a televised address the next day, President Johnson denounced Egypt’s menacing actions


Act of War

This is indisputable. This is perfectly reasonable, and nulls any argument you can throw out. Even you should see that, though I doubt you will as you have prooven time and again. Therefore, based on the implementation of international law, the Arabs did act first. Giving justification for a preemptive attack(sneak attack in your terminology). I think the reasonable folks here will agree here. What say you?


reply posted on 15-12-2005 @ 05:51 PM by ArchAngel
Originally posted by Riwka
ArchAngel, this has been explained to you several times

Here's a quick summary of some of the major events leading up to the Six-Day War

and Here is Seekerofs posting dt 12-12-2005 on page 4 of this thread

1967 Arab-Israeli war + pre-emptive strike + 1967
define:pre-emptive strike
States have the right to make pre-emptive strikes on others
The Legality of Preemptive or Preventive Counterproliferation Strikes


In 1967 when Israel invaded in a sneak attack, pre-emptive or not, they committed an act of aggression.

No matter their reasons, or motives the fact that they still occupy land today that was siezed in this attack is clear and conclusive proof of their aggressive intents.

Pre-Emptive does not give a blank check.

If Israel had returned to pre-war borders they could justly claim that the attack was defensive.


reply posted on 15-12-2005 @ 06:09 PM by Riwka
This has also already been explained to you here

Jordan had annexed the WestBank - but the Hashemites do not want to have that land anymore. Furthermore, Israels historic and legal claim to these territories is no less valid than that of the Palestinians. And that's why the future status of the WestBank is subject to negotiation between Israel and the PA.


... BTW: ATS Thread Tag System is a great feature



[edit on 15-12-2005 by Riwka]


reply posted on 16-12-2005 @ 12:50 PM by cjf
Originally posted by ArchAngel
With all the information at your fingertips, the internet, low cost of general college education, free access to professors, teachers and tutors, free libraries, museums, 'low cost' book stores and personal experiences you could seek-out/reach-out and 'learn'...


Why don't you reach out and learn the other side of the situation.

You may know much about one side, but seem to understand little of the other.

Once you see both sides you realize neither is right, and the main problem is status of the 4 million Palestinians and their land.

But your posts are so soaked in Zionist rhetoric I doubt you would be able to put the shoe on the other foot.


MK....

There are a great many things to which I disagree concerning Israel and her resective acts (this topic is not one of them); however being accused of being a Zionist appologist is a first. You assme far, far too much and do not answer questions when posed, provide far to little (if at all) in the way of facts, continue to skip and miss all points save your own narrow views (which typically include sophomoric jabs) and choose to simply incessantly spew and spew and spew.

BTW, I do know the "other side of the situation", hence my position concerning Israel in this topic. Clear.


Yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity serves only tactical purposes. The founding of a Palestinian state is a new tool in the continuing battle against Israel ...

-- Zuheir Muhsin, late Military Department head of the PLO and member of its Executive Council, Dutch daily Trouw, March 1977
(link)


Hmmmm...


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