Netanyahu: Sneak Attack On Iran If Elected

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posted on Dec, 11 2005 @ 02:39 PM
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Originally posted by ludaChris
If you would take a look at that UN resolution you would realise that the UN put Isreal there, not the Jews. So how did they "steal" the land. Go talk to the UN about that, that organization you seem to put so much stock in. Are you ignoring my posts, we had a good debate goin there.

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You are mistaken.

The Jews were put there by the British before the UN existed.

All because Rothschilds asked.

So how did they "steal" the land.

By invading in a sneak attack in 1967.

You seem to not understand the difference between the occupied territories, and Israel.

The West Bank, Gaza, and the Golon did not belong to Israel before that war that they started.

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posted on Dec, 11 2005 @ 02:45 PM
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Originally posted by ArchAngel


PLEASE understand that ISRAELI CHRISTIANS and PALESTINIAN CHRISTIANS are not afforded the same rights.



That is really a joke, right?

As for Christians who belong to the PA, you should start thinking about the Palestinian Authority....

About 35,000 Christians live in the West Bank and 3,000 in Gaza. They represent ~ 1.3 % of the Palestinians. One must know, that under Islam, Christians (Jews also) are considered dhimmi, a tolerated but second class who are afforded protection by Islam.

No Palestinian Authority law protects religious freedom.

The Palestinian people are governed by Shari'a law...with regard to issues pertaining to religious matters, this means that e.g. a Muslim who tries to convert (or declares becoming an unbeliever) is committing a major sin punishable by capital punishment.

The PA not at all takes care on their Christian population, the PA's judicial system also does not ensure equal protection to Christians.

For instance the Palestinian Authority-appointed Waqf (Moslem religious property) authorities attempted to break through into the Church of the Holy Sepulcher from the adjacent al-Hanaqa Mosque. They decided to install a latrine on the roof of the Church.

If you are really intersted in the Human Rights of Christians in Palestinian Society, click on the image and download the report (1.4M in pdf format)



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posted on Dec, 11 2005 @ 02:58 PM
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As for Christians who belong to the PA, you should start thinking about the Palestinian Authority


As for the Christians of Palestine you should not ignore that living under Sharia law is better than living under Sharia law AND Israeli occupation.

There is not equal rights on the other side of the line either.

I wish that on both sides.

With every reply everyone goes into denial mode.

Point the finger at anything other than Israel.

This is half the problem.

The other half is the Muslims pointing their fingers only at Israel.



posted on Dec, 11 2005 @ 03:07 PM
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Nothing they have yet done could have produced a nuclear weapon, nor does it exceed the rights supposedly granted NPT Signatories.


I have to beg to differ here, if you mean nothing they have done so far could possibly be for nuclear weapons you are wrong there. Centrifuges are used for completing the nuclear fuel cycle and extracting fissionable materials and isotopes(such as plutonium) that can be used for bomb making.
www.un.org...

Not to mention the fact that he publicly stated that he would share nuclear technology with other Islamic states and anyone who supported or recognized Israel would burn with the fury of the Islamic nations.
mmrs.fema.gov...
www.asiamedia.ucla.edu...



posted on Dec, 11 2005 @ 03:10 PM
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Originally posted by ludaChris
No one here wants to get into another war, but it looks like thats what Iran wants.

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So because Iran chooses to defend its borders with the same weapons Israel is using, and also because it doesnt comply with Israeli wishes, they must want war.

One question. since israel is going to launch a "pre-emptive strike" If iran launches tomorrow would this be a pre-emptive strike or a terrorist act againts the poor people of israel?



posted on Dec, 11 2005 @ 03:12 PM
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You are mistaken.

The Jews were put there by the British before the UN existed.

All because Rothschilds asked.

So how did they "steal" the land.

By invading in a sneak attack in 1967.

You seem to not understand the difference between the occupied territories, and Israel.

The West Bank, Gaza, and the Golon did not belong to Israel before that war that they started.
[edit on 11-12-2005 by ArchAngel]

Yes the Brits did so at the request to the UN, Ive been looking on the UN website for the exact resolution but to no avail so far. I did find a map of how they were originally going to divide up the state between Jews and Palestinians. If it ended up like th original plan there would be worse of a mess. Check this out.
en.wikipedia.org...
take a look at that map and tell me that wouldnt have been a bigger sh*tstorm.

Israel took the Golan because it was a strategic point that Syria used as an artillery firepoint in the 67 war. A strategic point they would not allow to be exploited on them again. and captured again in the 73 Yom Kippur war and maintain military control of the plateau as a matter of national security.

Theorist, has Israel ever nuked anyone? No. So how are they trying to defend their borders with what weapons isreal is using. Look at the history, Israel never instigated all out military conflict in the region did they. The 48 war was the product of the UN and Britains doing(with good intentions but bad decision making) The 67 war was instigated by Egypt, Syria, and Jordan. Once Egypt sealed Israels shipping lanes(which according to the UN charter is an ACT OF WAR) and the buildup of hostile forces on their borders had no choice but to act. It was no sneak attack by Israel when it was clear it was Israels sovereignty being violated. So no more sneak attack BS please. The 73 war was started by the Egyptian-Syrian coalition who were basically wanted lands they lost fair and square in their failed attempt to invade Israel 6 years earlier. So please, dont try and tell me Israel has been the aggressor in any of these conflicts. Becaues it isnt true.
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posted on Dec, 11 2005 @ 03:21 PM
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Yes the Brits did so at the request to the UN, Ive been looking on the UN website for the exact resolution but to no avail so far. I did find a map of how they originally divided up the state between Jews and Palestinians. If it ended up like th original plan there would be worse of a mess. Check this out.


The Brits occupied after WWI.

The UN was not created until after WWII.

Palestine was divided by the UN, but they were not the one that allowed the massive Jewish immigration in the decades before.

And back then the UN did not represent the entire world like it does today.



posted on Dec, 11 2005 @ 03:26 PM
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Originally posted by ArchAngel

As for the Christians of Palestine you should not ignore that living under Sharia law is better than living under Sharia law AND Israeli occupation.


maybe you should just ask the Christians in the PA why the Christian population is rapidly dwindlingt up from 1995/1997 (hint: the Palestinian Authority was given civilian control over 98 percent of the Palestinian population of Gaza and the West Bank 1995 and 1997) - or just read the report I provided


Originally posted by ArchAngel

There is not equal rights on the other side of the line either.


As for the Isareli citizens, they do have equal rights. They do not have more problems than the Jews in Israel.

As for Christians out of Isarel - they are foreigners who belong to the PA or elsewhre.



posted on Dec, 11 2005 @ 03:29 PM
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Originally posted by ArchAngel

So how did they "steal" the land.

By invading in a sneak attack in 1967.


Nasser announced in May of 1967 that he was going to attack Israel and had already begun moving his troops into place. He had already kicked out the UN peackeepers also and closed one of Israel's shipping ports.

I don't think it was really a 'sneak attack' in the traditional sense because their enemies were already preparing for war.

I'll extract a clip from one of my documentaries and post it for you.
Give me about a half an hour or so.



posted on Dec, 11 2005 @ 03:29 PM
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I have to beg to differ here, if you mean nothing they have done so far could possibly be for nuclear weapons you are wrong there. Centrifuges are used for completing the nuclear fuel cycle and extracting fissionable materials and isotopes(such as plutonium) that can be used for bomb making.


Plutonium is not a naturally occuring element.

You extract it from spent fuel rods, not from UF6 which is what they may, or may not be spinning in their centrifuges.

They may be close, but they have yet to begin large scale spinning.

Even then it would be some time before enough was produced.

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posted on Dec, 11 2005 @ 03:37 PM
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maybe you should just ask the Christians in the PA why the Christian population is rapidly dwindlingt up from 1995/1997 (hint: the Palestinian Authority was given civilian control over 98 percent of the Palestinian population of Gaza and the West Bank 1995 and 1997) - or just read the report I provided

The Israelies are still occupying, and controling the borders.

The people are not liberated.

Why don't you tell everyone why it is dwindling.

Because Israel won't let them come back into the country after leaving.

The Israelies have devastated the economy so people move elsewhere to have a better life.

Other than the one paid zionist shill they all want the Israelies to leave.

Don't ignore this and point out what the Palestinians may have done.

Face the fact that Israel is not innocent.



posted on Dec, 11 2005 @ 03:42 PM
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It does occur naturally in small ammounts as you can see here if you read this.
education.yahoo.com...

But you are right that it is taken from spent fuel out of reactors. Maybe thats why Iran favors the Heavy Water Reactor. It can use, unprocessed uranium, and produces plutonium. What a coincidence.
www.fas.org...
www.isis-online.org...
www.state.gov...

Wonder why they want one of those things....hmmmmmmm.



posted on Dec, 11 2005 @ 03:43 PM
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Originally posted by AceOfBase

Originally posted by ArchAngel

So how did they "steal" the land.

By invading in a sneak attack in 1967.


Nasser announced in May of 1967 that he was going to attack Israel and had already begun moving his troops into place. He had already kicked out the UN peackeepers also and closed one of Israel's shipping ports.


The politely asked the UN to withdraw the troops for their own protection.

Note that the Israelies did not do this because they were planning a sneak attack.


I don't think it was really a 'sneak attack' in the traditional sense because their enemies were already preparing for war.


Without warning, flying low under radar in a dawn raid the Israelies bombed the Arab airforces as they sat on the ground.

In the days before they ran a propaganda campaign where they claimed the IDF officers had been given time off, and even showed vidoe of men enjoying a day at the beach.

The 1967 invasion was a sneak attack if there ever was one. There may have been other reasons, but there always are.

As the aggressor later claiming self defence the Israelies have no right to anything more than what they had before the sneak attack.



posted on Dec, 11 2005 @ 03:45 PM
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But you are right that it is taken from spent fuel out of reactors. Maybe thats why Iran favors the Heavy Water Reactor. It can use, unprocessed uranium, and produces plutonium. What a coincidence.


It would be years after the reactor went online before the rods were extracted.

The issue of spent fuel is quite another thing, and I believe Iran has agreed to allow them to be shipped out of the country.



posted on Dec, 11 2005 @ 03:54 PM
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Originally posted by ArchAngel
Without warning, flying low under radar in a dawn raid the Israelies bombed the Arab airforces as they sat on the ground.


They were outnumbered and outgunned.
If the Israelis had waited until after those planes had gotten off the ground the Israelis may have lost the war.

Anyway, here's a short clip from the documentary I mentioned earlier.
War in the Desert - 1967 Six Day war 01.wmv



posted on Dec, 11 2005 @ 04:01 PM
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They were outnumbered and outgunned.
If the Israelis had waited until after those planes had gotten off the ground the Israelis may have lost the war.


The planes on the ground that Israel bombed in a sneak attack were not being prepared for an attack on Israel.

If the Israelies had not invaded in a sneak attack there may not have been a war.

If it was for self defense they should not have occupied so much land for so long.



posted on Dec, 11 2005 @ 04:02 PM
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It wasnt a sneak attack. Egypt had already committed an act of war when they closed shipping lanes that Israel used to import and export. Not to mention the forces building up on 3 sides. They were outnumberd, outgunned and still came out on top. This was no Israeli act of aggression, who taught your world history class?

www.merip.org...

National Security overides international law, besides all is fair in love and war.

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posted on Dec, 11 2005 @ 04:05 PM
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Originally posted by ArchAngel
If it was for self defense they should not have occupied so much land for so long.


The Arabs occupied it for more than a thousand years after their invasion of the land. When are they going to let let it go and allow the Christians and Jews to live there in peace again?



posted on Dec, 11 2005 @ 04:10 PM
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Originally posted by ArchAngel

Why don't you tell everyone why it is dwindling.



You could read it in the report I provided - if you would bee intersted


Originally posted by ArchAngel

Because Israel won't let them come back into the country after leaving.



That is wrong, as already explained.


Originally posted by ArchAngel

The Israelies have devastated the economy so people move elsewhere to have a better life.



What? A recent (Nov. 6, 2005) study of adult Israelis conducted by the Central Bureau of Statistics reports 82 % claimed to be "very satisfied" with life in Israel. (Life is good in Israel, say Israelis)

And 50,000 Palestinians immigrated to Israel Since 2000 - so Israel can't be that bad, hm?



posted on Dec, 11 2005 @ 04:18 PM
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Originally posted by AceOfBase

Originally posted by ArchAngel
If it was for self defense they should not have occupied so much land for so long.


The Arabs occupied it for more than a thousand years after their invasion of the land. When are they going to let let it go and allow the Christians and Jews to live there in peace again?


Don't ever think that Jews want Christains with them as equals in Israel.

Despite their claims to be democratic Israel is a racist nation.





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