A Conspiracy Against Children: Exactly who is out of control?

It's been a while since I've visited this thread...

These articles find a perfect home here:



And:



Idiots!

While on the topic of sex, what do you think about this one?

How those people can accuse 4 and 5 year olds of sexual harrassment is beyond me, considering that they couldn't possibly have any kind of sexual motivation behind their actions. Your first child really needs nothing more than an explanation that some people might not appreciate that. The second kid probably was just being a bit mischievous, and I think deserves a small punishment, but nothing more than a scolding or something, unless he keeps at it.

As for that case between the teenagers, isn't there a law in most places that if you are within a certain age of the person you are having sex with, that it is not molestation? For example, If a boy 18 years and 1 day old has sex with a girl 17 years and 364 days old, that should not be statutory rape, assuming it was consentual. I think it's usually 2 years range in most places. While on a moral level I don't approve of this, on a legal level there shouldn't be anything wrong with it, again assuming both people consented to the act.

It never ceaces to amaze me how bad the world has gotten. We are now at the point where our justice system seems to make no real distinction between children and adults. I understand cracking down on serious and violent crime, but this is ubsurd! There is a difference between a youth robbing someone with a knife, and an elementry school kid pintchung someone as a joke. The system is a mess!

Tim

[edit on 6/19/2007 by Ghost01]

This reminded me of what happened to me in high school. I love learning, was very depressed, didn't have many friends, and the ones I did have thought I was a little odd. I never liked talking about who the cutest boy was or the latest pop star... I liked talking about current events, art, music, and history. Mind u I thought certain boys were cute yes, but to me it was no one else's buisness who I liked. There was this one girl who didn't like me since middle school... we kinda had it out... she said some bad things about my Mom who had just passed away and I got upset. I yelled at her, but instead of punching her I practically threw my chair across the room and stormed out of the cafeteria. From what I heard after that she got dention and a dressing down from one of the teachers who heard excatly what she said to me.

Later on, HS comes around... she hangs out with the same friends as me. Like I said, I didn't have many friends... only one or two because the rest of my friends went to a diffrent HS. My best friend who did go to school with me hung out in a crowd that I did not want to be a part of(smoking, drinking, drugs, etc.) So I was pretty much a loner... during lunch I sat outside or down by the auditorim reading a book. This person started a rumour that I was a Lesbian, etc. I started getting harassed left and right, deogotory things written on my locker, being tripped in the hall, being made fun of on the bus, spit on, you name it. The school did nothing! I tried to switch schools, etc. All this also spin tailed my depression further down the hole... and in the end I just gave up and said screw you... and quit. Now I am regretting that, but I was afraid that I was going to get seriously hurt. It's kind of funny know though cuz I ran into one of my 'friends' who belived this and was against gays and lesbians and had my son with me and my fiancee by my side. She just stared and blurted out I thought u were gay! I gave her a look and told her I never was, and if I was who really cared cuz it was my life and no one elses.

Oh, what about the teachers who are untouchable? My sixth grade Math teacher scarred me for life. She made me give up completly on Math(I have LD in that subject.) She told my parents that I was the worst student she ever had in all her years of teaching... she'd ridicule me in front of the other students for not getting the Math... my parents tried to do something about it, but the school said that it was her last year of teaching and that they weren't going to do anything. They wouldn't even switch me because all the other classes were full. Thank God for the LD staff(I wasn't offical with my LD until seventh grade... yeah took em that long to figure it out and get me some help!) One of the LD teachers who saw a lot of the crap going on told me to go down to the LD room when it was time for work time or taking tests. She cleared it with the school and told Mrs. Travis but the teacher would rarely ever let me go... just when the LD teacher was down there did I get to go.

Reading these articles and my own experiences makes me scared for my child. Heck, just looking around at this society is making me wonder if I did the right thing by bringing him into it. But, you never know what is going to happen... he and others are going to shape this world, and all you can do is try your damnedst to raise them right, instill values, and give them lots of love.

Google Video Link

This may be of interest, It talks about how mecury in autism has a link. Also talks about how the CDC knows about it, and other things.

I have not updated this thread in some time. Not because there is any shortage of material, but rather because at some level the subject matter is so disturbing to me, it's just not healthy for me to post here too often.

But I can't ignore this one:



This article is a six page description of a society gone mad!!!!!





[edit on 31-8-2007 by loam]

I have obviously taken a break from this thread again, but wanted to make sure I link these two important threads:

I've been censored

Is Ritual Child Abuse a Hoax?

I debated with myself for several hours about whether or not to post to this thread. Obviously I decided to give it a go...but want to state that in arguing the other side of the fence, I'm not condoning the use of force and/or having police involved in schoolyard issues.

Having said that...have any of you, that think the police/society/the world have gone crazy and are treating our kids unjustly like crap, been to an inner city school during school hours. Particularly the principal's office. We live in a fairly "tame" city, but in one of the, for lack of a better phrase, lower income areas. Two of my children attend the elementary school near our home. This school teaches JK - grade 6. I am in the school on a daily basis as I volunteer to their breakfast program, and my middle son is hearing impaired and uses an Educational Assistant as well as an Intinerant teacher for deaf and hard of hearing children. I have regular meetings with these 2 teaching assistants as well as my child's teacher to make sure he's getting the support he needs.

Almost daily there are several children in the office for various reasons. Some of them normal schoolyard incidents. Other's a bit more frightening....setting fire to the washrooms, smashing a chair into another student's head, stealing, swearing, hitting/kicking/punching teachers...etc the list goes on. While I was there one day a grade 4 student threw a chair through the office window separating the office from the hallway (narrowly missing a group of other children). I've seen kids running through the halls slamming locker doors yelling out swear words, seen teachers coming to the office for bandaids for bitemarks in their arms...it's insane. My oldest son was once taken under the staircase and asked by a classmate to show her his private parts....this was in GRADE ONE.

So who is out of control? It's these kids. Is it their fault? That I can't answer....One opinion that I have is that it may go back to when all of these 13, 14, 15 year old kids began having children when they could barely control themselves. The kids are raised without discipline and with no sense of consequences. They think they can do what they want, when they want, where they want, and the schools are supposed to now take this child in and somehow revert him into an upstanding citizen.

I attend a weekly parents meeting to get support for my hearing impaired child and I can't tell you how many times I've heard stories from other parents about how unjust the school was..."little timmy did nothing wrong and the school sent him home...." "little susie was just upset and expressing her feelings when she threw that chair" SO many parents all in denial of how much of a terror their children are outside of the home and all quick to judge and blame the "lazy teachers"

I don't know if this is the right way to think about this, I'm really on the fence. We raise our kids for 4-5 years...laying the groundwork for what kind of person they will be when we send them out into the world of kindergarten. And somehow when they get in trouble at school, we instantly blame the teachers or principals. How about the parent that did nothing to teach their child right from wrong at home during their most important formative years?

Michelle

I've been to 15 schools.
I'm 17 and last fall i quit school near the beginning of my 12th grade year.
I was going to a public school in a somewhat wealthy part of Vancouver, BC. (My family doesn't have very much money above and beyond what's necessary to survive/pay off my mother's student loans, but we sacrificed practically all our "extra" budget (which meant zero going out to dinner except on birthdays, zero going to see, or even renting movies, no new clothes unless I grew out of/wore out some, so I already stuck out like a sore thumb at the school as I always have))
I started at that school in grade 10, made a couple "friends" whom i really knew nothing about but could sit with to eat lunch, went out on a few dates with one of them then we broke up so it was too much for me to spend time with them any more. I did everything alone for most of my 2 years there.
I have gotten death threats from students directly in front of teachers with no repercussions.
I have been called a lesbian/dyke in the middle of classes where the teacher does nothing, despite a "zero tolerence for discrimination/harassment" policy.
My school counsellor talked to some of my teachers about the bullying issues, and yet close to when i left the school i brought that up when someone was making fun of me during a class and I stood up for myself and the teacher flat-out made fun of me, making the whole class laugh.
He then told me I was mistaken and that I "Couldn't possibly know that unless I was in the room at the time" and therefore he must be right that she never told him, when i know for a fact that she did, she made a point of that teacher in particular as that's where the worst of it occured (it was a film/tv production class and he was the only teacher in that department so I had no real options because I was hoping to be able to make somewhat of a career in that area, and you need the courses to get into the colleges for it)

When I was in grade 5 I was given detention by my teacher (for defending myself VERBALLY to another student) and I tried to skip it by going outside for lunch despite knowing about the detention, and the teacher grabbed my upper arm and physically DRAGGED me across the playground where all the kids were, then up 2 flights of stairs to the principals office, then let go of me just outside the office's view. I had finger-shaped bruises on my arm but was too afraid to tell on him for it. Thankfully that principal thought I was an ok kid and we just hung out there for a while and chatted. On more than one occassion i became physically ill from fear of going back to the classroom.

In grade 2 my teacher used to dump my desk out in front of the entire class and make me clean it up (because i would, as a nervous habit, rip paper into tiny pieces, which never harmed anyone or made a mess on the floor, and i always knew where my homework was) despite her desk being a complete mess.

In grade 1 I switched schools in the middle of the year because we moved, and the new school made me erase everything in my mathbook that i had done prior to their schedule (i had been allowed to work ahead in my last class)
I think i spent 2 hours erasing at least 100 pages of work.

I knew how to calculate simple tax, read, write somewhat legibly, and do all sorts of things before i started kindergarten (I had already read Black Beauty, my first all-the-way-through novel on my own) and they told my mother that she was teaching me the "Wrong Way" and that they were supposed to be the ones teaching me. (oh and lets not forget, my birthday is in december so they tried to hold me back a whole nother year despite me already being ahead of the other students)

i had a neighbor who in grade 3 could only read books with one sentence on each page in giant letters.

reply to post by loam

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There is no conspiracy against kids.

The media: makes kids shows and games more violent and use aggressive marketing.

The schools: don't teach to improve knowledge, they teach for grade inflation to keep their school ranking high and give out medals for average effort so the kids feel good about themselves.

The parents: want an easy life so they buy cell phones for their 8 year-old because everyone else has one and don't enforce rules like a bedtime or what they watch on the telly or eat.

Its a perfect storm to grow poorly educated kids with a sense that they can do what they want because no one says no or punishes them.

Kids need structure and rules in order to learn.

Here's a particularly offensive one:

www.nytimes.com...



How do you like that? The more children the sent to detention centers, the more money the judges made in kickbacks. Some kids definitely belong in such places, and I make no apology for them, but I don't think making fun of an assistance principal on MySpace qualifies.