I read with disgust all those cases of handcuffing children. I have worked in the security industry (I worked in a hospital) and carried handcuffs
while on duty. I never once had to use them. You'd be surprised how many angry and/or psychotic people you can calm verbally. In some instances
physical force was necessary, but it didn't happen very often, and with my employer, it was the very last resort. I can only think of maybe 4 or 5
times where my colleagues had to handcuff anybody, and there was darned good reason for it. (I'm not supposed to go into details, so I won't) The
guy with the record for most frequent arrests had 6 arrests in 5 years, or one every 10 months, and those people had real reasons to be cuffed, unlike
those children. There might be a few rare cases where children need to be cuffed, but in virtually all cases, there is no need at all.
Granted, I didn't have much dealings with children, but a small child can be easily restrained by almost any adult. If you get proper training,
there are ways to restrain people with various holds and stuff that are both effective and do not hurt the person. One of my colleagues was a tiny
girl about 20-25 years old; she was about 4 ft 6 and I doubt she weighed 100 lbs. But she had lots of training in restraining people (because with
her size, she needed it!) and she could hold down grown adults with those moves, and without hurting them.
The security company I worked for had various day courses on self defense, how to verbally defuse violent situations, and that sort of thing. I took
one or two of them, and you can actually learn quite a bit in just 8 hours of one of those courses. Maybe our teachers and police should take a few
of those; I bet they could have easily defused some of the incidents mentioned in this thread with that knowledge.
I have similar comments towards the taser usage. I'm actually in favor of tasers, provided that they are used in reasonable circumstances. They are
an effective way of immobilizing a person in a way that, except in a few unfortunate instances, is essentially harmless. However, as with handcuffs,
tasers should not be used unless absolutely necessary, and tasering children is ridiculous, stupid, and totally unnecessary. Again, from my security
experience, we were instructed to always use the absolute minimum amount of physical force necessary to contain the situation. Did someone forget to
teach this to the police?
In regards to the corporal punishment, I didn't actually know it was legal in Canada, since in my school district, it is banned. (I'm Canadian)
According to this
my district banned corporal punishment in 1990. That article is a good example of
what I've been talking about. Look at these two quotes from that article, in regards to two Alberta schools:
The school hasn't used the strap once during the two years Wayne Martel has been principal. But Harakal thinks its mere presence acts as a
In her 10 years, the school has used the strap just three times, she said. "It's not something you take and wave around to scare the kids
With statistics like that, I think it's safe to say those schools only strapped children when it was absolutely necessary.
If I ever have children, I want to either home school them, or maybe send them to a good private school, if I had the money. Things don't seem to be
as bad here in Canada, at least in terms of violence, but the incredibly poor quality of public education here in Edmonton, where I went to school, is
downright pathetic, and alone is sufficient reason to homeschool children.
I'm not sure if I'm supposed to say something like this on ATS, but I will anyway, and take the warn if necessary, because it has to be said: Our
society is pretty much shot to hell.
The scandalous disregard we as a society have for children, our substandard system of so-called education,
the growing abuses by law enforcement on the ordinary citizen, the kangaroo court systems whereby known criminals are permitted to walk free on
technicalities, our increasing lack of morality and conscience, are all contributing to the disintegration of everything we should be holding dear to,
but are instead destroying piece by piece, plunging down the path to self-destruction. Families are crumbling as divorce rates skyrocket and children
suffer as a result. Schools and healthcare have their funding cut again and again, and the ordinary citizen suffers as a result. Children's minds
rot in front of the televisions, the 'electronic babysitter' for the parent who simply cannot be bothered to rear the child they have borne.
Originally posted by Loam
You get the sense that something is terribly wrong?
The appropriate response to this question would circumvent the censors, but in the spirit of clean language I'll simply say ABSOLUTELY there is
And what is it exactly that is wrong? I think a lot of it comes from people being too lazy. Too lazy to learn. Too lazy to work. Too lazy to make
a difference. Too lazy to raise a child properly. A lot of it also comes from failure to take responsibility for oneself. So many people expect
something for nothing, and are outraged when they do not get it. People also have a horrible habit of thinking that 'the rules' are good for
society, but that they should be 'exceptions to the rule'. Like "speeding in your car should be illegal", but "I know how to drive properly, so
it's okay if I speed."
Yes, I'm frustrated. I think our current society absolutely sucks. The trouble is, I have absolutely no idea what can be done about it. It seems
to me like we've gotten to this point one tiny step at a time, that when summed together, become one giant social disaster in action. The problems
have become so numerous and so large that they seem insurmountable.
Exactly who is out of control?
I have no idea. I'm not sure who is to blame. Quite frankly, I'm not sure I care. It's more important to fix the problem than point the finger.
Any suggestions are more than welcome.
You have voted loam for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have two more votes this month.
And, as Loam has already done, I'm putting a link to this thread in my signature. I want to see this thread get as much ATS publicity as possible.