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Originally posted by IXRAZORXI321
There is no debate. You have 0 proof to show there is a god or that jesus was resurrected Therefore everything written after that is irrelevant make believe propaganda and there is no reason to study it.
Again I ask you for proof. I can give you mine.
If any god or jesus gave a flip about us they would not let children be harmed. Freewill is irrelevant.
You can pray for 10 days strait but if a murder decides to kill your kids tonight then your god will let it happen. Explain to me why you think he will apparently help you with trivial daily things but not protect your kids from death?
Originally posted by IXRAZORXI321
I could go on but I will give you time to research these things yourself mr snafu. Maybe then we can have an intelligent debate.
"In the beginning was the Word...and the Word was God...all things were made by Him, and without Him was not anything made that was made" (John 1:1-3).
"All things were created by Him" (the Son of God) "and for Him: and He is before all things, and by Him all things consist: And He is the head of the body, the Church: Who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things He might have pre-eminence. For it pleased the Father, that in Him should all fullness dwell; And, having made peace through the blood of His Cross, by Him to reconcile all things unto Himself; by Him, whether they be things in earth or things in Heaven" (Col. 1:16-20).
"He hath no form nor comeliness, and when we shall see Him, there is no beauty that we should desire Him. He is despised and rejected of men, a Man of sorrows and acquainted with grief … and we esteemed Him not. Surely He hath borne our griefs and carried our sorrows; yet we esteemed Him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
But He was wounded for our transgressions; He was bruised for our iniquities. The chastisement of our peace was upon Him, and with His stripes we are healed.
All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned everyone to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on Him the iniquity of us all. He was oppressed, and He was afflicted, yet He opened not His mouth … He was taken from prison and from judgment; and who shall declare His generation?" (Isaiah 53:2-8).
With these concluding words the prophet was addressing the consciences of those who were to reject their Saviour, as if saying to them: You turn away in contempt from Jesus as He is mocked and beaten, but understand this, it is because of you sinners that He suffers so grievously. Contemplate His spiritual beauty, and maybe then you will be able to comprehend that He came to you from heaven.
Originally posted by GrendelsBacon
This question answers itself as it is written from the assumption that Christ did rise from the dead, therefore the Bible is taken literally. But anywho, here are some proofs of Christ's Resurrection from the dead for those skeptics of that much.
-The Empty Tomb
-The failure to produce a body by the Officials of the day.
-The Tomb was both sealed and guarded.
-It was accepted by the locals where these events took place, as is evidenced by the growth of the early church there.
-The Faith and Martyrdom of the disciples, as nobody who is in their right mind would knowingly die for a lie.
-The Conversion of Paul, who was a stern persecutor of the Church.
-The Strauss Critique
-In the 18th century a skeptic, by the name of David Strauss, who was not a believer, disproved the theory of Christ surviving the crucifixion. He brought to light that even if Christ were to survive the crucifiction, rolls the stone away from his tomb, overpower two or more guards, goes to the disciples, and somehow in his weakened state convinces them of his Resusrrection, and inspires the faith that would lead to martyrdom.
-The Roman Soldier attested to Christ's death on the cross. Those guys were experts at death, as they were the professional soldiers.
-And finally, for those anatomy buffs, the water that flowed from his wounds was a sign that his Heart had stopped.
Hopefully you will all consider those things objectively.
[edit on 14-12-2005 by GrendelsBacon]
Originally posted by PsychoSteve85
Heres 2 theories
1. Jesus ate some bad food that put him in a coma and then a couple days later awakened from his comas and left the tomb
2. Jesus never really did anything but since zoracostationism(sp) played a key role in christanity the tale of jesus rising from the dead meant he was the savior.
But thats even if jesus exsisted which i dont think he did.