posted on Dec, 20 2005 @ 06:56 PM
Spamandham, do I note a bit of tension in your posts? Did you just say that one of us is.... stupid? By scientific deduction you would imply that it
isn't you so you would be meaning me which means you called me stupid. Welcome home man!
The one thing that I think really screws it all up for you is that you cannot explain with reasonable thought who or what created the universe and how
did it begin and from what. It's easy to say, "I can't see God so He can't exist, ro Who created God?" But we are IN the universe as a fact so
lets go science! Lets use deductive reasoning and see if we can find the answer.... ready?
1. The universe exists
2. The universe had a beginning
3. If the universe is a fact and it had a beginning, how did it happen?
4. If the universe is a fact and it had a beginning, and we know it happened, what was the "cause of action"?
5. If the universe was "caused to happen" what was "factor" event to initiate it.
Let us theorize:
1. It was the natural occurance of undefined yet unknown properties the had "pre-existed" the present universe.
2. It was intelligently created as a demension of habitation and existence to the purpose and intent of the creator.
Let us test:
Something from nothing at all abscent of intelligence: This possibility is impossible as I attempted to take a hundred dollar bill from my empty
pocket and could not. I had no power or substance in which to "cause" this event, and in the impossible event that it did happen it would have been
"created" Option #1 Test failed.
Something from something greator or different: This is vaid as I can combine molecules of air to create water. Both are less than the volume of the
whole and do create another substance. From a mountain I can take a stone and form it into a brick. From this I understand that I can effect change by
intelligence. The universe had a beginning and it is valid to consider that it was put into existence by that which was not of the universe. The
causation was intention because I can see it's end result and I understand that science believes it to be limited and possibly not infinate. I will
call the force "energy". All matter is actual a degree of force, all atomic in nature and yet set in perfect order. This force does not relent in
any way but is uniform thoughout the universe. Intelligence fits into the equation due to tension, cohesion, and random kaos, which would immmediately
occur otherwise. Without intelligence, there could be no order, without order there could be no beginning or continuance, no stability.
Final thought: The universe is the result of intentional action by an outside force by intelligence. The source of the intelligence, while cannot be
known is not within the confines of the universe nor subject to the laws of time and space. The universe, that it exists, is the evidence of and by
itself that is real. It exists. And was put here by that which was and is in existance from outside of it.
Your thoughts Spamandham.. or anyone on the atheist side. Hit me with the science!