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At any rate seeing as how my latest question relates DIRECTLY to the thread title, I'd say that makes it pretty relevant.
How about this, I'll write my own scripture entitled, the sentence according to mytym, chapter 1,verse 1: "Jesus is the Messiah." Now I'll use this scripture to prove that Jesus is the Messiah.
Originally posted by AngelWings9999
The Bible says, Test Every Word And See If It Is True! As It Also Says Test All Spirits As Well! If You Ask it shall be given unto you, seek & you shall find! He Will Prove It To You, All You Need To Do Is Ask God!
Man will never give you the answers you seek, only God Can! But note, No Man can go to the Father, except through Jesus!
Originally posted by Prot0n
And when one does test the Christian bible, it becomes clear as day that their bible is not the word of god and far from divine inspiration. The Christian Messiah goes into full contradiction of the Jewish prophecies it relies upon. You can compare many verses in the OT compared to what Jesus claims of himself and God. Like Paul says, test test test.
2.) Test the book. As Paul says, "Test everything". How? Not by trying to determine if rabbits chew their cud or whatever ridiculous arguement that comes thereof, but rather do as it recommends. For example, the book of Matthew has a lot of great advice. Try following some of it sometime. More than likely you'll find it is the right way to think and do things. Pray. Train. Study.
I'm here, per my post, to explain that there is a way without studying history to find out if the Bible is the word of God.
Originally posted by Prot0n
No where do I imply looking at it through history.
Originally posted by Prot0n
I clearly said reading the book itself. Comparing the Christian New Testament with the Jewish Old Testament, it's quiet obvious the Christian Testament is no of divine inpiration, let alone the word of god.
Originally posted by Prot0n
The NT is quiet obviously the word of man, especially when you get into history.
Originally posted by Prot0n
But like I said, one doesn't have to necessarily do that to see this, but it does validate the evidence in the book itself.
Originally posted by darkelf
People who don't believe in God usually don't belive the Bible and often vice versa. So all 28 pages of this post has been nothing more than folks claiming what they believe.
I have yet to see how someone's religous belief = conspiracy. Should have gone to BTS 20 pages ago.
Old Testament versus New Testament. History. I've never seen anyone suddenly believe by doing so. Who has found God by saying the New Testament matches the Old and therefore I believe in God? Though this is true, it hasn't made any believers I've met.
Then I think you may have skipped a few books such as Isaiah and Daniel. There's plenty of others but again I have to wonder what the point is to those who do not believe.
Get into the what? As I've said.
I'd like to meet someone here who got their proof by alone reading the Book.
Originally posted by Prot0n
Technically, the NT and OT do not match up. For proof of this, read them both.
Originally posted by Prot0n
No where have I lead you to think that reading the bible would bring about believer's just from reading.
Originally posted by Prot0n
I've clearly stated that by reading both the OT and NT, it become's quiet evident that the bible in whole, is not the word of god and is not of divine inspiration.
Originally posted by Prot0n
I have read them both. Have you bothered to read Isaiah 52 before you read Isaiah 53? I'm most certain this is the chapter your implying.
Originally posted by Prot0n
I'm not sure what you mean here. Clarify and I can properly answer.
Originally posted by Prot0n
I'm still not sure where your figuring I'm discussing that reading the bible can make one a believer. I clearly stated that reading the OT and NT (and on a side note: researching the history of the NT and it's many change's), one can see quiet clearly that this book isn't the word of god or of divine inspiration.
If one read Genesis and Revelation only, then I think you have a case.
From Job to Malachi, it should be evident. These are the books that show a progression and foretelling. I doubt the moderators would appreciate me posting 250 pages here, but in there it does become quite evident that the Bible in whole is the Word of God and is of divine inspiration. The gospels are the icing on the cake. There are over 330 prophecies within them that came true. That is to say, something that was foretold and did happen. I'm not here to teach that four month Bible study course, but I know of a place that does. Bend the spine, read the book. If it's not enough evidence for you, then ask God Himself.
Ya. I'm not implying one thing. I'm stating there are several several things though care not to nit-pick over each one since it is futile to argue and causes no-one to suddenly believe. We're people requiring proof, and we can get our personal proof. Don't ask about mine, it won't convince anyone, rather it is certainly possible to obtain your own. In which case, you will tell others and they will get to scoff and call you looney. Nevertheless, I can and will help those who are truly interested in obtaining theirs.
You'd said you didn't imply history, but in your last post you clearly said get into the history. I was hoping via juxtapositioning you'd see where you yourself had said so.
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And when one does test the Christian bible, it becomes clear as day that their bible is not the word of god and far from divine inspiration. The Christian Messiah goes into full contradiction of the Jewish prophecies it relies upon. You can compare many verses in the OT compared to what Jesus claims of himself and God. Like Paul says, test test test.
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I'm here, per my post, to explain that there is a way without studying history to find out if the Bible is the word of God.
No where do I imply looking at it through history.
Per above statement about needing to know who God is before determining His words.
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
how can one book be the only true religious scripture,
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
when religion is something that cannot be tested.
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
show me several examples of how the bible, when tested, is a true document, and maybe i'll take it more seriously.
Actually it's a collection of books spanning thousands of years.
It sure can.
We'll start with just one then. "And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself." (Matthew 22:39)
One drop of water in a pool of wisdom. How do we test this? Though it sounds easy, it's actually quite hard. In our most severe anger and hate, can we dissipate that immediately and do as it is written here? Not easy at all, but with practice it becomes easier. If you get this down, you have 50% of all the rules and regulations the Bible lists down pat. Let us test this one part of the Bible to see if it sounds. Those who says it is wrong or does not work, please let's discuss.
Originally posted by Prot0n
Not quiet. The Christian NT relies upon the Jewish OT for the NT's Messiah. But, reading the OT & NT it become's quiet evident that the NT's Messiah doesn't match up with the OT's version of the Messiah. If both book's matched up then we wouldn't be seeing all these blatant contradiction's between both books. NT being the newest addition to the bible.
Originally posted by Prot0n
Both of those book's are from the OT. Despite prophecies comming true or not, the OT's god is abit different then the NT's god.
Originally posted by Prot0n
And seeing as how I'm comparing the bible (OT & NT) as a whole, with the out right contradiction's of the NT, it's still quiet evident that the bible was a whole is not of divine inspiration, nor the word of god. Can you prove god literally had authorship of the bible?
Originally posted by Prot0n
No, god 'supposedly', through divine inspiration, had men (people like me and you) write the book on his behalf.
Originally posted by Prot0n
This does little to prove the book is of god, all we're working off of is the claims of the author's of these books.
Originally posted by Prot0n
Why would you bring up Isaiah 53, claim to have read both 53 & 52, then go on about some need for 'personal' proof. What exactly was your purpose for bringing up Isaiah 53?
Originally posted by Prot0n
Really? Let's disect this issue with the relevent quote's.
Here's where you quoted me, following that with a statement about history.
Did you notice how I said nothing, nor implied using history against the bible? This was originally of your own doing, and yet your placing this on me entirely.
The statement I made following your post (this is where your getting that I denied implying history)
No where do I imply looking at it through history.
Going from those two starting point's, I did indeed not imply history, you were the first to bring this up.
Originally posted by Prot0n
Well see, we're hitting a big problem here. Your god, the Jewish god, the christian god, the ancient egyptian gods, the hindu gods? Which god(s) do we need to know before we can know anything truefully in the religous sense?
Originally posted by Prot0n
Every religion and every person of faith will whole heartedly defend that their god(s) are/is the truth.
Originally posted by Enkidu
What is "God?"
I really don't think you can give credit to this thing, this "god," until you can properly define it. Otherwise, what exactly are you trying to prove?
Originally posted by Prot0n
I don't think there's really any need to take her/his words out of context and apply a new meaning to them. The bible is a book in whole. All the books written in the span of thousands of years make up the end result of this book we call a bible. Given that, one can correctly refer to the bible in it's whole as one book. Just as God refers to the Jewish nation in the singular pronoun on many occasions.
Originally posted by Prot0n
Provide one experiment that can prove your religion out of 100's, possibly thousand's that say their prophecies have also come true given by their god(s).
Originally posted by Prot0n
Honestly, this does nothing to prove the bible is a true document when tested in it's entirety.
Originally posted by Prot0n
All we're seeing here is proof of the obvious. Ideally, one should love another as one love's him/her; self. And your correct, in practice (at first) this isn't as easy as it sounds for many different reason's. But given due time, it can get easier, just as anything else one puts enough devotion and practice into. All in all however, this prove's merely a philosophical thought and not the validity of a written document.