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originally posted by shakyaheir
What you fail to understand is that the theory of evolution and the theory of the big bang have much more empirical evidence (like the fact that humans and chimpanzees share 99% of the same DNA) to back them up then the theory presented in Genesis.
But they suggest that our species may be more different from the great apes than previously thought: the differences between the chimp and human genomes is 10 times greater than that which occurs between any two humans, but 10 times less than the differences between the mouse and rat.
Today's findings show the genetic sequences of man and ape differ by only 1.2 per cent in terms of single-letter (base pair) changes to the genetic code, but duplications and rearrangements of larger stretches of DNA add a further difference of 2.7 per cent, report Dr Evan Eichler, of University of Washington School of Medicine, Seattle, and his colleagues.
"For all the talk of the 1.2 per cent single base-pair difference and the importance of those, there's even more difference between the species due to duplication events," said Dr Eichler.
Well at least in a religion like Christianity, the people who do this think they're saving the eternal soul of the people they try to convert. There's no such incentive to convert people to atheism.
And yes, I subscribe to the thought that atheism IS a religion.
It USED to be said to be a way of thought ... but I believe it
is a religion for many and it has followers.
maybe you could provide a link that proves darwin correct while youre at it? last time i checked, it was still a theory with no data to prove it correct.
how about some proof that the big bang happened? more unproven theory.
how about any proof at all of how this universe and all of its matter was formed without a supreme being?
in other words, kill both the adulterers, not just the woman
Trying to get people to swap there bible for porn is abursed.
Why dosnt the group of athiests present facts that undermine the mass delusions that the religious right are attempting to subject America to?
Why not fight the dumbing down of society?
originally posted by spamandham
Why do you feel the need to rephrase it in other words?
Fact is, trying to coerce someone away from their personal beliefs is rude, inconsiderate, and a violation of personal rights.
Yes, it is a religion. The simplest definition of religion is a series of beliefs based on faith. Just as Christians have faith in their belief in God, Atheists have faith in their belief that there's nothing out there.
why dont you go back and actually read the passage, including verse 25, which you have conveniently left out.
the old testament and it's laws are the old covenant. the new covenant through the blood of jesus is described in the new testament.
christianity is based on the new testament, not the old, a fact that is conveniently ignored by those who wish to show how horrible christian belief is.
originally posted by spamandham
It was "conveniently" left out because it isn't relevant. The determination of whether or not it was consentual is based entirely on whether or not someone heard the woman scream. v 25 simply recognizes that such a standard doesn't make any sense if they're out in a field where no-one could hear the scream. I say such a standard doesn't make sense at all.
But you seem to be missing the other half of the point, which is, the death penalty for adultery. I'm amazed you don't find that repugnant.
blah blah human sacrifice fricken blah.
This is all just mumbo jumbo. I don't buy into your disgusting human sacrifice theology, nor does it in any way diminish the wretchedness of the Old Testament.
If the OT is no longer applicable, why are you off arguing in favor of a magic boat that somehow carried 100,000,000 animals, who magically found their own way there (BTW, kangaroos are not good swimmers)?
This thread is about the smut for smut program. They are trading porn for Bibles/Korans/etc, nothing more. That you perceive such a program as an assault on Christianity is a personal problem.
originally posted by wang
We would rather let people look at naked women than corrupt their moral selfs, with religious dogmas.
Its one thing to have your beliefs, but another to tempt others out of their current faith with this trash.
i never said that i didnt. in fact, i believe i pointed out that jesus himself disagreed with the death penalty for adultery in john 8:5-7...
would you mind showing me which verses include the human sacrifice you are refering to? because i know of no human sacrifice in either the OT or the NT, with the exception, of course, of jesus's sacrifice for all of us.
did i ever say that i take every verse of the bible literally? could you show me where exactly i was arguing in favor of the validity of the noah's ark story?
in actual point of fact, one of the main reasons for its inclusion in the christian bible is that all of the prophecies proving jesus is, indeed, the messiah can be found there.
did you actually read this before you posted it? smut for smut? how am i not, as a christian, supposed to be offended by that?
the basis for their program is their assertation that all religions are ignorant garbage.
Originally posted by spamandham
There you go. Even your god recognized the repugnant nature of the scriptures.
That's the one I'm talking about.
I won't bother getting into Abraham not batting an eye when asked to kill his son,
You are looking at the Bible from a Christian perspective where Jesus "fulfilled" all the nasty stuff away. I am looking at the Bible as a whole, and from a secular perspective. I do not recognize the deity of Jesus, so his claim to have "fulfilled" away the old testament rubbish doesn't hold water. From a secular perspective, the book as a whole is repugnant and nonsensical.
I inferred it from you almost immediately trying to drag this thread into another evolution debate. If you don't accept that rediculous story at face value, then I appologize.
There aren't any. Early Christians took OT passages out of context after the fact and then invented stories to match as necessary to "prove" fulfillment of scriptures.
I suspect you would be, because you can't seem to understand why someone who doesn't share your delusion would find the Bible to be worthy of the garbage heap. You keep trying to rationalize it in Christian terms, without realizing that such rationalizations implicitly presume that others already share your beliefs.
I'm not sure that's accurate. I think they are slamming the sacred texts with this program, and not Christianity, Islam, etc. per se. The program to slam religions is on next months agenda.
Originally posted by snafu7700
you keep making my point for me. christ's teachings are in direct conflict with the old testament laws of israel you are referring to. he preaches tolerance, love, and turning the other cheek. that is what christianity is about, not antiquated laws that even the jewish people themselves no longer use.
Originally posted by snafu7700
let see....the one youre talking about appears to be christ's sacrifice of his own body and blood to allow for the forgiveness of our sins...the greatest show of love the world has ever known. if you find that repulsive, so be it.
youre absolutely right. he did not bat an eye when asked to do god's will. funny thing though, youre leaving out the most important part: god stopped him from actually committing the act.
jephthah was only a king, not a religious leader, and merely did what he felt was his obligation due to his vow to sacrifice the first thing that he saw when returning home, in return for god's protection in battle. quite gruesome, but it still does not take away from the fact that he did this under the old covenant.
then you are looking at it in entirely the wrong way.
jesus didnt "fullfill" anything away. he gave us a way to move away from the ugliness.
maybe if you could set aside your anger for a few minutes and actually read some of what he is saying to us, you might find some peace to replace that hatred in your heart.
IOW, you assumed that i was just another bible thumping conservative who takes the entire bible literally. you also assumed that i believe that the world was literally conceived in 7 days as we know them, ie 24 hour periods, which i dont. instead of assuming you know what i believe and basing your argument on those assumptions, why dont you just ask me, so you dont have to spend time pulling your foot out of your mouth.
that's a very interesting statement. especially considering that, as you must know, the old testament is a compilation of books from the jewish torah, which has not changed since well before the time of christ. as such, each prophecy regarding jesus can be found in either the OT or the torah.
however, to say that a religious text that offers not only a history of the jewish people (however gruesome it might be), and the words of a peaceloving man that revolutionized the world as we know it (as well as being the way, the truth, and the light for believers) is only worthy of the garbage heap is complete and utter ignorance. much of what jesus has to say is in line with buddha, ghandi, and other pacifist minded leaders.
do you also believe that books about these individuals should be tossed in the garbage heap? somebody else believed as you do....his name was adolf.