With all the US bashing that has gone down here lately i post this question. Where would we all be without the US. The US is responsible for keeping the free world free. The US is nearly the sole protectors of freedom and democracy as we know it today. The US is the most charitable nation the world has ever known. All the free democratic nations that exist today do so because of the blanket of security the US provides. As far as i am concerned, the only country who has tried to honor this is the United Kingdom. They have supported the US against much critisism. The US is a society and people based upon liberty, freedom, and justice. The US is bigger than democrats or republicans. So I say your welcome to Canada, Germany, France, etc.(insert the rest of the free nations here). who like to second guess and pretend they are against US policies. We will continue to provide you security while you bash the US, so enjoy your freedom. There is an endless supply of young men and women in the US who will continue to volunteer to defend freedom. Sleep well knowing you are protected. For all those of you who respond to this, please state your affiliation. Thank you and God bless

Zoso28 have you ever put foot on europian soil?
Human rights are very important here in europe more than you can imagine, in fact at this time there is more freedom here than in the usa
People cant come in to your house with out your permision or a warant you have privacy and no one is allow to do anything with out bringing you to cort first, no kidnaping of people here , in fact that hapend and now there is a big scandal that's why rice is on europien tour to calm things down.
The cia kidnaped a bunch of people with out permision in europe and now there is a big scandal.

United States represent what it represents cause of the people of the united states, a nation made from many nations, you can say america belongs to the world.
Who rules in the united states dont trully represent united states, the people of united states represent and make that nation.
Cureltly what was the mother of all freedom the guide to freedom is fadeing away.
United States is looking more and more like heading to a place where freedoms are fewer and maybe soon loss of free speach, the right to speak.

I hope people from there are not too conforable like they use to be and be more parctical get involved more in politycs, because it is a country worth saveing and at the curent time only a few trully care for freedom and human rights , most just take the confort of security over freedom a loss that later will have a greate cost.

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Dude, I'm an American, & I don't believe the horse dung their feeding us. The only reason the US is so charitable, is to make up for the fact that we stick our noses in anything & everything we can, without being asked to.

The US is the modern equivalent of Rome in her height of decadence & depravity. The US will fall, just like Rome did, & it will be thru a 2nd Civil War that is in the building. It's been cooking & simmering for decades now. The Police see it, the military sees it, & the government see it, because the government is the one with the ladle stirring the pot.

How about showing a little gratitude towards Canada for help with world war 1 and 2?

That always seems to be left out doesn't it?

Do we have to support you in every conflict? No. We have interests too.
Do you have to support us? No. You have interests too.

By the way, who is the current threat to the Canadian people? Hmm?

Dont forget that Canada may not be fighting in Iraq, but we are helping in Afghanistan. That too seems to be overlooked. I thought this whole war started in Afghanistan. Did it end there? No.


The United States is no better than Canada, and Canada is no better than the United States, etc. Get over it.

Live in your peace, I will live in mine.

Zoso28, now you've gone and hurt Little Old Australia's feelings.

It was our S.A.S that cleared the way for the U.S. to invade Iraq and our military has been there ever since.

Also, over time we have been adopting your poor education system, your unjust health system, your obsessive professional sports culture and we've always had a "different but equally" unjust political and justice system that's forced the same frightening, freedom threatening anti-terror laws on us. I could go on but the point is we're becoming a "little U.S.A." and we don't like it one bit.
R.I. P. OZ.

What would you call this?

People being kidnaped in the middle of the night with out any one knowing.
No cort no nothing you dont exist anymore.
Holding you at random locations with out any ones knolege and tortureing you it hapend take a look at that german jurnalyst.
Secret police running around with dark mascs around your neiborhood just for fun and survailance taping your fone line entering your house and takeing stuff , your not even alowed to talk about this after that.

How do you see this things democratic?


Now a terorist and a serial killer.

A serial killer could kill a hudred man 1 by 1 but he will still stand trial.
He will have a fair trial, why should it be difrent for anyone else.

How about torture than sayng ohhh sorry we thought you were some one else we are trully sorry but do shut up cause it's the law you are not allow
to talk about it after we let you go.

A cort of law is a part of the esence of democracy, not being able to defend your self by law kills democracy and democracy cant exist with out it.









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Originally posted by zoso28
With all the US bashing that has gone down here lately i post this question. Where would we all be without the US.

In Heaven.

Originally posted by zoso28The US is responsible for keeping the free world free.

No it's not.

Originally posted by zoso28The US is nearly the sole protectors of freedom and democracy as we know it today.

No they're not.

And what makes you think domecracy is superior to other systems of government?

Originally posted by zoso28The US is the most charitable nation the world has ever known.

They have to be....with how much destruction the US causes.

Originally posted by zoso28All the free democratic nations that exist today do so because of the blanket of security the US provides.

How? Countries are independant of the US, they do what they want. If they want to be democratic they can, if they don't they don't have to. The US has no say or influence in the matter.

Originally posted by zoso28As far as i am concerned, the only country who has tried to honor this is the United Kingdom.

Australia too unfortunately...

Originally posted by zoso28They have supported the US against much critisism.

So has Australia, mind you this critisism has points.

Originally posted by zoso28The US is a society and people based upon liberty, freedom, and justice.

liberty freedom and justice?

Hello?

What about all the racsism? What about the patriot act? What about the resque efforts at New Orleans?

Originally posted by zoso28We will continue to provide you security while you bash the US, so enjoy your freedom.

Security?

USA created world terrorism.
USA funded Al Quaeda.
USA funded Osama Bin Laden
USA gave advanced weapons and training to terrorists.
For the last 50 years, the US have been searching for an "evil" to fight, and still do.

USA doesn't believe in peace, USA believes they should administer the world and declare war on everyone who disagrees the slighest.

Originally posted by zoso28There is an endless supply of young men and women in the US who will continue to volunteer to defend freedom.

Those who know the facts and truth would not.

Originally posted by zoso28Sleep well knowing you are protected. For all those of you who respond to this, please state your affiliation. Thank you and God bless

Protected?

The only thing USA has done is make the world a less safer place. All the major wars since ww2 were started by the US, and even today it continues to invade country after country after country, with countless hundreds of thousnads dieing for the wrong cause.

If USA is for freedom, then why does it operate prisons in Europe, where hostages are taken and brutally assualted with no lawyers or decent care.

If the USA is about freedom, then why does it deny the freedom of life to it's own citizens?

If USA is about protection, than why do they launch attacks on their own people?

Without the US, we would be in Utopia, compared to the world today!

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I live in the usa and I truely belived that...My government was suppose to be: of the people and for the people. What I am fining out is that the government isf themselves and for themselves. Even as a young girl, I had always wondered why the governments who want to wage war, don't just go and do it themselves? Instead they use the people they are suppose to represent, as pawns in thier little war games. I say, You(government) put on the war gear and You(government) put your lives on the front lines and sacrafice your lives for your greed and self serving purposes!!!! There would be a lot less war in this world if the Big Boys had to do the fighting themselves.
In other words:Why does war have to be the result of innocent lives, why can't war be played as a chess game or cribbage or euchre, best two out of three wins? How about a wrestling or boxing match (Just a thought from my childhood) When we are born, we are numbered, we are selected to do the will of the government, we are the mass production for slavery of the government to do thier bidding. Funny how things get turned around, isn't it? I thought I had a real purpose in life? But these are just my thoughts.

Thank you for your time,
starr

I'm not going to bash the USA, but when asking a question like "Where would the world be without the US?" I think we have to look the negative effects the USA has had on the world situation as well as the positive effects.

The USA (my home) has certainly contributed a lot to positive events and conditions around the world, AND it has contributed a lot of negative as well. There's a reason this country is so disliked (and it ain't because of our freedoms )

So, while I think the world would be a very different place without the contributions of the USA, I'm not at all sure it would be worse off. Or better, for that matter.

I am getting exactly what i thought i would from this thread. I see non-americans bashing the US. That is to be expected. And again you are all welcome for your freedom. Then i see the disenfranchised american who lets their distaste for the current political leaders cloud their view of the US role in the world today. Is the US perfect,not even close. But the fact that the US is the leader of the free world and responsible (along with our allies) for the freedom that all free nations in the world provide. I implore all americans to visit Normandy, where the sea ran red with US soldiers blood (as well as british, canadian, australian, etc.) Visit the DMZ in Korea, the remains of the Berlin Wall, and so on. I guess my point is it seems so many of my fellow americans are so jaded in their hate of the current political climate here, they let that hatred hide the true vision of what the US is and what it stands for. Everybody hates the guy at the top. People like to see the mighty fall. Thats why underdogs are so popular.

Again, this is not meant to belittle or dismiss the contributions of our allies. This is not a "we are the best and all the rest stink" thread. I ,as well as alot of americans fully appreciate the sacrifices made by our british, canadian, australian, etc. brothers and sisters. The bottom line is we made the world what it is today. We made the scrifices and paid the price for fredom, and will continue to do so.

Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas
Dude, I'm an American

So where would this "fall" you're talking about leave you? I would think in pretty bad shape, although you almost sound like you're (gleefully?) in favor of it happening. Having a deathwish for yourself can't be seen as healthy.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
I'm not going to bash the USA, but when asking a question like "Where would the world be without the US?" I think we have to look the negative effects the USA has had on the world situation as well as the positive effects.

... and then weigh the benefits vs. the negatives. Only the most rabid U.S. bashers can come up with a result that says the world is worse off because of the U.S.

No country has ever been perfect and none ever will be.

Originally posted by zoso28
I am getting exactly what i thought i would from this thread.

Funny how that happens isn't it? It's pretty clear you got what you were fishing for.

Too bad you're only seeing what you were looking (hoping?) for. Because there's a lot more than USA bashing in these responses.

And surely you know that coming out with a "USA is #1" attitude would rile up some people, right? Good job!

This is not a "we are the best and all the rest stink" thread.

I wonder why it sounds so much like that, then...

The bottom line is we made the world what it is today.

You do know that 'we' are only 200 years old, an infant compared to the rest of the world, right? I can't imagine why other countries think of us as arrogant!

where would the world be without the US?
well i dont know how politically stable that world would be but for certain,
1.Soviet Union would have overwhelmed europe(and possibly the whole earth). and if you think we are being "evil" in iraq, if the soviets encountered insurgency they would have wiped out entire populations.
2.their would most likely be a catastrophic world war(or at least a cold one) between the soviet empire and the rising china.
3.its possible that the allies would have lost ww2
4. their would be less aid given in disasters. its amazing that even with all our aid(tsunami etc) we are never thanked.
as for the person that mentioned the racism invovling katrina, that is propaganda. a disaster can happen to anyone-look at the riots in france.
France seems to have a lot of racism as well as other latent problems
Now im not saying that the US has had only a positive effect on the world
and we most definatley have our problems, but we have contributed many good things. remember that next time you bash america while using/consuming products that originated in america. peace

The Fall of Rome
by W. H. Auden

(for Cyril Connolly)


The piers are pummelled by the waves;

In a lonely field the rain

Lashes an abandoned train;

Outlaws fill the mountain caves.



Fantastic grow the evening gowns;

Agents of the Fisc pursue

Absconding tax-defaulters through

The sewers of provincial towns.



Private rites of magic send

The temple prostitutes to sleep;

All the literati keep

An imaginary friend.



Cerebrotonic Cato may

Extol the Ancient Disciplines,

But the muscle-bound Marines

Mutiny for food and pay.



Caesar's double-bed is warm

As an unimportant clerk

Writes I DO NOT LIKE MY WORK

On a pink official form.



Unendowed with wealth or pity,

Little birds with scarlet legs,

Sitting on their speckled eggs,

Eye each flu-infected city.



Altogether elsewhere, vast

Herds of reindeer move across

Miles and miles of golden moss,

Silently and very fast.




From Another Time by W. H. Auden, published by Random House. Copyright © 1940 W. H. Auden.

Yes the UK seems to follow the US blindly into whatever country it feels it has to liberate, but i can assure you our troops fear being killed by the US than any enemy it will come across.
Because the US troops appear to be brainwashed into beliving their doing the right thing, gods on their side, etc, they become gung ho trigger happy bafoons.

to the US liberating and protecting the world.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

The bottom line is we made the world what it is today.

You do know that 'we' are only 200 years old, an infant compared to the rest of the world, right? I can't imagine why other countries think of us as arrogant!

That statement proves my point. In only 200 years the US has risen to the mightiest nation the world has ever seen. And its not arrogance,its confidence.

"When the Federal Reserve Act was passed, the people of these United States did not perceive that a world banking system was being set up here. A super-state controlled by international bankers and international industrialists acting together to enslave the world for their own pleasure. Every effort has been made by the Fed to conceal its powers but the truth is - the Fed has usurped the Government. It controls everything here and it controls all our foreign relations. It makes and breaks governments at will." 1920-1931 - Louis T. McFadden Chairman of the House Committee on Banking and Currency


Where would the World be without the US?

Mostlikely the world have been a utopian society by now.

The Handlers of the United States have always want war. If the Globalists hadn't of created the Communist ideology (In essence a reason to keep the world in perpetual war) we would have seen a much more peaceful world.

Think about it. WWII is over. The Military Industrial Complex doesn't ever want to let go of its war capacity. All they care about is war because it's a profitable business.

Think about all the money that could have gone into advancing society instead of destroying ourselves.

I can't get over how arrogant American's have gotten. US Imperialism over the years has really made the world a very unstable place. US Globalization/Capitalism has allowed the few who hold the strings become even more powerful while socialism in America has made more and more hardworking Americans even poorer.

Zoso, ever heard of the Rich Get richer and the poor get poorer?

While your Globalist Capitalist organizations export American jobs to China and India you fail to see that North America is heading for economic disaster.

Meanwhile Bush tries to tell you with a straight face that America's economic future is as bright as it has ever been.

How is that? Bush has blown his entire budget and is now taking out loans to pay off others. Deficit Spending.

History has shown us that this is a recipe for disaster. But not that it costs Bush anything. They rack up huge debts and expect the American people to pay it off.

Better watch out Zoso. Pax Americana is coming to an end. China is rising faster and faster then anyone ever predicted. Pretty much overnight it's become self evident that the coy Chinese and the Globalist Corporations screwed America over big time.

"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world. No longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men." 1916 - President Woodrow Wilson

Zoso. one day reality is going to smack you in the face because the true reality of things is something you have clearly never known. When it hits you it's going to be hard. But you deserve it because you have been deceived.



"Nationalist individualism is the world's disease - The manifest necessity for some collective world control to eliminate warfare and the less generally admitted necessity for a collective control of the economic and biological life of mankind, are aspects of one and the same process." - 'New World Order' by H. G. Wells 1939

Huabamambo,you are so lost i cant even begin to counter you. All i can say is that may be the most misguided, unwarranted reply i have ever seen and thats sayin something!

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Good job ignoring my reply zoso28.

I guess it wasnt what you were hoping for.