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How I envision Attack on Irans Nuke Facility

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posted on Dec, 10 2005 @ 07:35 AM
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Originally posted by kilcoo316
The reason for the war in Iraq is Saddam started trading oil in Euros.

Iran is going to start trading oil in Euros so the US is threatening them any way they can.

The US dollar is being kept afloat by the oil trade - its an economic war.


The US dollar is being kept afloat by the oil trade?????? Hmmmm, education lately?????
kilcoo, you are apparently clueless and ill-informed. Obviously the source of your education and knowledge come from Marxist talking-points. I am delighted that you have exposed yourself for what you truly are. I shall now introduce you to the wonderful world of "IGNORE". I urge any other forum members who have a functional brain to join me in this exercise.

By the way Kilcoo, "Every American you've ever met" were probably with you at your Marxist propaganda convention, so I wouldn't put much stock in assuming that that would indicate a majority of Americans. Now have fun languishing in obscurity.

[edit on 10-12-2005 by kozmo]




posted on Dec, 10 2005 @ 07:52 AM
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Originally posted by kozmo
The US dollar is being kept afloat by the oil trade?????? Hmmmm, education lately?????
kilcoo, you are apparently clueless and ill-informed. Obviously the source of your education and knowledge come from Marxist talking-points. I am delighted that you have exposed yourself for what you truly are. I shall now introduce you to the wonderful world of "IGNORE". I urge any other forum members who have a functional brain to join me in this exercise.

By the way Kilcoo, "Every American you've ever met" were probably with you at your Marxist propaganda convention, so I wouldn't put much stock in assuming that that would indicate a majority of Americans. Now have fun languishing in obscurity.

[edit on 10-12-2005 by kozmo]


www.feasta.org...

www.tacomapjh.org...

english.aljazeera.net...

www.informationclearinghouse.info...

same article at:

usa.mediamonitors.net...

www.capitalspectator.com...

wallstreetexaminer.com...



That enough for you, or you still suffering from head in the sand syndrome?

(Or is it a case of, faced with facts - click the ignore button
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posted on Dec, 10 2005 @ 07:55 AM
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I'll even make it brutally simple - a Q & A from one of the sites (wall street examiner)



Q: What big difference does it make if oil producers accept dollars and then exchange them for euros in the open market, or accept euros initially?


A: It matters because the dollar's liquidity and World Reserve Currency status has been underpinned since 1974/75 by OPEC using their surplus dollars to purchase US T-bills, which allows the US do break all the rules of economics including a huge credit expansion/bubble. (otherwise known as "petrdollar recycling.")

Despite the complete absence of coverage from the five U.S. corporate media conglomerates, in March of next year Iran is opening up an euro-denomiated oil bourse for international oil trades (via an electronic market/Internet).

What that means is that one of the Federal Reserve’s nightmares may begin to unfold in the spring of 2006, when it appears that international buyers will have a choice of buying a barrel of oil for $60 dollars on the NYMEX and IPE - or purchase a barrel of oil for €45 - €50 euros via the Iranian Bourse. This assumes the euro maintains its current 20-25% appreciated value relative to the dollar – and assumes that some sort of US "intervention" is not launched against Iran.

The upcoming Iranian bourse will introduce petrodollar versus petroeuro currency hedging, and fundamentally new dynamics to the biggest market in the world - global oil and gas trades.

In essence, the U.S. will no longer be able to effortlessly expand its debt-financing via issuance of U.S. Treasury bills, and the dollar’s international demand/liquidity value will fall.

Japan, China and other trade partners with the EU will slow their purchases of US T-bills in which to buy oil, and instead use Euro bonds and related ECB debt insturments to buy oil. Our double-loan/free lunch will begin to wane.

Bottom line: The "rules of economics" for which the US economy has been immune to for the past 3 decades will begin to impart real effects here such as higher interest rates and less international demand for dollars.

This could also result in higher oil prices as the value of the dollar drops and OPEC begins to formally price oil in euros. (i.e currency risk for oil, etc.)


[edit on 10-12-2005 by kilcoo316]



posted on Dec, 10 2005 @ 08:33 AM
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Personally I have no problem with Iran having nuclear powerplants. If they want nuke plants to generate electricity then I say "More power to them." (pun intended).

What I do have a problem with is Iran's desire to have nuclear weapons. With the current views held by their government I believe that something should be done to either delay or destroy their nuclear weapons program.

Now comes the tricky part. How do you do it? The easiest part of a nuclear weapons program to find is the reactors and purefiying facilities. The US probably has good intel on them including how they are constructed. Problem is that these are the last things that you want to take out. An attack on one of these facilities has the potential to make Chernobyl look like a picnic. That wouldn't be good for Iran or anyone else down wind. As I remember traces of Chernobyl were found in Colorado!
I would recommend an attack on these facilities as a very last resort.

No you have to hit the weak link in the chain, the one item hardest to replace. Your target has to be the scientists working on the program. Wipe them out and at the very least you set their progress back a few years. Of course identifying and targeting these people may be difficult as I do not know what if any intel there is on their identities or locations. If you can figure out where the majority of them are going to be I would recommend a cruise missile strike. One of the Ohio class sube is supposed to have been refitted as a cruise missile boat carrying over 100 Tomahawks. I would use it and launch a massive strike from the Indian Ocean. Target enough missiles on the scientist's locations to ensure their destruction, but also target military facilities, government leadership and critical bridges. What you want to do is to overwelm the Iranian air defence system so that the attack disguises your actual intentions.



posted on Dec, 10 2005 @ 10:34 AM
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A most very interesting subject.

IMHO...Isreal is going to lead the strike. I've skimmed through the posts so I'm sure some of you also believe this.

There is one problem though. Isreal and the US cant just attack Iran like that. Iran has made the best choice by simply just sitting it out. The Iranians are actually kind of smart by doing nothing and making Isreal make the first move.


The ball is in Isreals court and again, Isreal and the US can't just attack Iran because it would spark a much larger more protracted war against China-Russia block. And many other countries support them, too many to list.

Isreal's part is going to be their brand new F-15's/16's from the states. I-Isreal Version. Bunker Buster bombs. Gifts from the American tax payer.

We all know Isreal is going to do it. They are a clear and present danger to world stability. The real problem is Isreal has alot of clout in America. If Isreal goes to war against the entire middle east, the US and UK are dragged along with them.

I don't know about you but it is not in the interests of the world for the US and Isreal to deliberately start world war three.

The real problem is the Isreali Mossad is going to have to orchestrate another terrorist attack on North American soil. Isreal will probably jump on the event by blaming Iran with no evidence to support. The Media will do as they always do mislead the public with no evidence as usual. To this day the Bush Administration and Corporate Mass media haven't provided a shred of evidence. Well, mint condition passports and credit cards. But wait. The Pentagon jet liner and passengers remains were vapourised in the fires. Hmm. coincidence or red flag.

In short Iran is going to be wiped off the map. I'm not debating that fact. The US ground forces are completely overstretched to the point where US interests in the entire world are threated. Bush just doesn't have the boots on the ground even though he acts like he does. There is no way that the US and Isreal can invade all the countries they have their eyes on.

If the US and Isreal start a major war the rest of the world is going to clean their clock. I don't know about you but the whole neo-con handling of the Middle East crisis is a disaster in the making. Stamped in full. It will be very interesting to see where we are 5-7 years from now. US Imperialism has already taken a major major blow in the last two years.



posted on Dec, 10 2005 @ 11:02 AM
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Originally posted by kozmo
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This is a perfect example - a perfect non-sequitur wrapped in supposition devoid of facts. I would jump all over this and B**ch slap this into the ground, but I've already wasted enough energy simply pointing it out. Comments like those posted by Harlequin speak for themselves



conversley if you would actually read something more than a comic book , and watch something more than fox news you will see what has happened in fullajah - and how newsmen have been killed to try and keep the information quiet , but the truth got out , and the death toll speaks for itself.

Read around this forum and you`ll see all the comments which say the same thing - and watch teh video as well (its italian for the record)



posted on Dec, 10 2005 @ 01:13 PM
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Originally posted by Harlequin

Originally posted by kozmo
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This is a perfect example - a perfect non-sequitur wrapped in supposition devoid of facts. I would jump all over this and B**ch slap this into the ground, but I've already wasted enough energy simply pointing it out. Comments like those posted by Harlequin speak for themselves



conversley if you would actually read something more than a comic book , and watch something more than fox news you will see what has happened in fullajah - and how newsmen have been killed to try and keep the information quiet , but the truth got out , and the death toll speaks for itself.

Read around this forum and you`ll see all the comments which say the same thing - and watch teh video as well (its italian for the record)


Fox news is the only network that praises our soldiers and shows video of them whooping ass, just as they have been for the past 2 years. CNN only shows road side bomb videos and coffins draped with flags when some commie snuck into the cargo hold knowing it was illegal to take photos of the fallen, to try to show how the enemy is winning. I ask you this, which footage helps us win the war? I'd say fox news.

Train



posted on Dec, 10 2005 @ 02:03 PM
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neither footage helps anyone win the war



posted on Dec, 10 2005 @ 03:48 PM
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Originally posted by Harlequin
neither footage helps anyone win the war


Then how about you get off my thread.

More clueless, you could not be.

Train



posted on Dec, 10 2005 @ 05:01 PM
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Well put man, I can see some peoples beef with Fox News, but I actually enjoy the channel myself. I watch all the news channels to see the different takes they have on the stories. I just dont see why people get on Fox News for reporting positive stories from time to time. Like the Iraq documentary last week, it showed some of the positive things that are coming out of Iraq, like their stock exchange is up and running, people are buying more appliances(shows they are getting their electricity), and the many more schools have been opened. I think it is good to show such things. Is it a crime to try and balance the media playing field, apparently to those who hate hearing anything good coming out of Iraq, it is. Its just pure hypocracy.

And one more thing, would people stop using such statements such as, the US used WMD's in Fallujia, something that is clearly untrue. WP is not a chemical weapon and is not banned in its use as long as its not used on civilians. So please, save yourself the shaming and dont use statements you know to be untrue(besides, its agains the rules of this forum).



posted on Mar, 15 2006 @ 09:46 PM
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Sometimes I get a tad carried away and I WOULD HAVE LOVED to have actually BEEN HERE to like respond to YOUR responses to my long ass posting but I've been so damn busy and out of town and like... just not having any time to hang out with you all (which I missed actually ... well some of you I didn't miss ... but overall ... you know) ... just one reply I want to reply to so that I can clarify a couple things (more for the sake of reference in the future) ...

(I'll keep it short... you're welcome)

BigDog...



Another thing, your from Canada, I expected the Anti-war pacifist movement from you, along with the "Everything wrong with the world is Bush and the US" mindset.


Well since we're being stereotypical here, I guess I could just as easily reply to that by saying "Since you are from the USA, I expect to hear nothing from you but rediculas jingoist crap from a mal-educated delusional mind." BUT I WOULDN'T because I don't judge people like that. And I happen to like SOME Americans... probably about the same percentage actually as the Canadians that I like... which is SMALL (I admit that) but since we're drawing lines in the sand here the ones I do not like in general are the ones like yourself who would say something stupid like what is contained in that above quote. There are FAR too many of you on this continent right now, and YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM ... or actually maybe all of it.



We americans, do not wish death upon anyone except tyrants and criminals who have already murdered hunderds and thousadns, I.E. Saddam, and if you know anything about history, you would see that the US is in the business of Bettering lives.


You have absolutely got to be freeking kidding me if you expect me to believe that .... I ... I am just totally speechless ... have you looked at your own country lately buddy? UP HERE... we have free health care, and we only have a FRACTION of money you guys have down there. IN FACT...

1/3 of all personal US bankrupsys are caused by medical bills.

AND YOU KNOW WHAT? I could give you about 100 other examples like that off the top of my head. And also btw... like... you've killed like a million people in Iraq (mostly kids) since 1991... and THE ENTIRE FRACKING WORLD KNOWS IT ... so ... you know... I don't even know why in the hell I'm even replying to you over this, wish I had been around here when this thread was happening.



As for you, vega, mega, whatever, If I were you, I would go grab a beer and relax for a second man. You need to cool off. You need to get off that Bush hating high horse your riding on. Quit believing in CNN and all the conspiracies and pick up a book on capitalism and figure out how you can help instead of complain.


I don't drink. I don't pump poisons like that in to my body. And many of my friends don't much care for booze either. ONCE IN AWHILE socially... I put a little flavor in my coffee at Xmas... but... no, I do not need a beer to make it so that I can't think properly about these things... maybe thats the we you guys do it down there... but thanks, I'm cool as I could be... and I don't need any sort of drug to adjust my mood. Not saying that I'm "MR CLEAN" but... that's not my bag... sorry. I don't watch CNN.. or TV in general.. in fact I don't have cable, because it DOES piss me off so I just got rid of it, my TV is just a big PC monitor now.

And complain? Capitalism? You are so... UGH.. I'm a socialist .. I KNOW A LOT about Capitalism buddy... and none of it I like. God... how old are you anyways?

How I help out?


You know what the last thing I did before I was injured and taken out of action was?


I saved an entire neighbourhood in Windsor Ontario... sometime I'll find the article for you... maybe even get one of the people who's lives I made better and raised their property value up 100% and stopped their kids from breathing in bits of plastic to come in here and TELL YOU HOW I MAKE THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE...

... enough.

You get the idea now buddy?


I know about history, life, economics and the rest of it then you will EVER HAVE A GENERAL CLUE ABOUT....

.... unreal.


Like... you know why I can write a long ass post like that bud? Because I know a lot about a lot of things... period.

I don't need to be told jack by someone like you. People like YOU I don't even give the time of day to. I think people who say the types of things you have said in your reply to in my post are a TOTAL waste of life in general.

OH ONE MORE THING..



Vis Mega, I do agree that it is hypocracy to not allow Iran to have Nuclear power. But you have too look at it from the point of view of the statements that have been coming out of their presidents mouth, such as statements saying they will wipe Israel off the face of the earth. And judging from what you post here, you wouldnt seem to mind if they did.



Yes, yes... that is exactly what I want.. millions of men, women and childern dead.

Yeah.


God, some of the people in here sometimes. Unreal.. just utterly unbelieveable.. DO ANY OF YOU think before you type? Really?



posted on Mar, 16 2006 @ 12:19 AM
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Originally posted by kozmo
Bring on the bleeding heart liberals who are completely unable to keep their eyes focused on the ball. I've seen/read people's comments ranging from "Why is everyone else allowed to have nuclear energy and not Iran?" to "Just more hawkish warmongering by the United States."

Let's address the pure stupidity of these assertions. Number 1, NO ONE is advocating that Iran is not allowed to have NP. The global community has sought a number of resolutions to afford Iran NP while DENYING them the ability to produce a nuclear weapon. Remember the proposal that Russia process and enrich the Uranium for them? How conveniently some forget that Western nations have attempted to broker a deal that would allow for the continued development of Iran's nuclear power program - sans nuclear weapons! Iran's continued stance is EVIDENTLY indicative of their desire to develop a nuclear weapon. Take that OBVIOUS fact and couple it with their President's wildly irresponsible assertions that "Israel should be wiped off the map" AND "Iran will certainly share nuclear technology with other arab nations" and you have a real problem here. A failure to recognize that is either pure stupidity or childish naivete!

I simply wonder if the liberals are either too simple minded to focus on the broad range of issues intermingled here or some inherent inability to acknowledge the broad range of facts. Either way, this is a global security issue.

Now to answer the post - If Iran fails to comply with the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty that they became a signatory to, they should not be permitted to posses ANY nuclear technology.


Why let countries like India have Nuclear Power then.. w/o any safe guards, and also keeping in mind that India is not a signatory of the NPT,MTCR,CTBT etc.. etc..



posted on Mar, 16 2006 @ 12:58 AM
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Disregarding the semantics and the propoganda in the OP, I will state how I envision an attack on Irans Nucke Facilities will happen (from the air!), assuming that it does.

Whatever the Israelis got, they will throw at them. Israel is closest, they have the experience and the motivation that others do not.




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