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"The Magick of Shapeshifting"

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posted on Dec, 6 2005 @ 08:36 AM
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Anyone ever read "The Magick of Shapeshifting" by Rosalyn Greene?

It's a very interesting book about shapeshifting (werewolves would be included). Basically, the premise is that there are people out there that have the ability to shift...either mentally, astrally, dream shifting, and of course physical shifting.

Physical shifting is said to be nearly impossible for most shifters. I guess it takes a lot of energy and more time to learn how to do it.

She also goes into "furries"...these people like to dress up in animal costumes...kinda like RPing. Well, that's it for the introduction of the book....I'll gladly answer any questions.




posted on Dec, 6 2005 @ 09:01 AM
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I have not read the book, i have read some of David Icke's stories. Wouldnt it be something if our own George W. Bush was giving a live speech on TV and transformed? Oh,m brother! For that matter, Hillary Clinton is supposedly a big reptilian herself. Bill Clinton was not supposed to be of that blood line, though.
I wouldnt really believe this unless i saw it for myself.



posted on Dec, 6 2005 @ 09:12 AM
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I wasn't really refering to the reptoids but yeah kinda the same thing. The book is about real people who feel that they can shift, either mentally or physically or somewhere in between....like a werewolf.

Another question is does anyone believe in actual physical shifting...such as a werewolf?



posted on Dec, 6 2005 @ 11:14 AM
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I am sure that something like this has been talked about whether it be folk lore or LEGEND ... You know cause the stories start off .. "Legend has it .... " but anyways ... I found this thread rather interesting for another reason ..


It's a very interesting book about shapeshifting (werewolves would be included). Basically, the premise is that there are people out there that have the ability to shift...either mentally, astrally, dream shifting, and of course physical shifting.


When I was a young kid I always had nightmares ... bad ones ..horrible ones and even worse ones .... But one day ... not even sure exactly when it happend , but they stopped .... I have an occasional bad nightmare .. but nothing like the ones I used to have ... Some time after I stopped having bad nightmares ... I will run across a scene in a dream I am having where something is happening that looks like it could turn bad ... or I may see a creature attacking me or random events but no matter what it is ... Here lately I have been able to control my dreams ... I can literally say ... I don't want this to happen ... I can't rewind ... or fast Forward .. but as far as being in my dream it is as real as a Video Game ... I can do anything that I have tried ... Wondering if anyone else ... has Lucid Dreams,at least that
is what I have found it to be called ... Anyways ... I also now wake up at 7:00 A.M. no matter what ... I am on a schedule since I have started working around 3 years ago .. I was wondering if my habit of getting up early has anything to do with me being able to control myself in my sleep ... or ... What it could possibly be that I changed ... if it is goign to change it back .. I really don't care to find out ... so ...



posted on Dec, 6 2005 @ 11:34 AM
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After ... reading the web page that I did not actually post here ... I will post it now ... I think I know why I am able to control my dreams ... I used to be so afraid in my dreams ... And one night my dad and I got into a big argument ... That night I was and still am afraid of the dark .. but I went outside in my pasture and started yelling at the darkness .. "Come get me I am ready ... I will kill ya'll ..." ...yes I am from texas lol .. anyways ... Needless to say nothing happend ... nothing moved I don't even think I heard anything so after about 30 minutes screaming at nothing ... I got tired when in to go to bed .. That night I had a dream about these Zombies .... coming after me ... I wil NEVER forget this ... I was running through out my dream .... and Finally I ran into this beautiful zombie ... She was obviously a Zombie .... but I guess my teenage hormones kicked in and I all the sudden wanted to KISS her.... Not sure as to why other than my teenage hormones ...Anyways .. I ran to her and kissed her .... I remember she through up in my mouth ... well I woke up and I was throwing up ... in my mouth .... as I was gagging on that throw up ... I realized it had all been a bad dream AGAIN @@@ ... Well after that I think .. maybe not everytime I was in fear in my dreams but for the most part when I was scared in my dreams ... I would all of the sudden realize I was dreaming ... and would be able to control my dreams making me able to do odd stuff .. Suck as fly ... have guns ... or do whatever ... Mainly it is getting away to another place ... I have never actually stayed in the scary part of my dream ... not sure why .... but .. anyways .. just thoguht about that had to post it ..



posted on Dec, 6 2005 @ 01:38 PM
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Yes, I have controlled my dreams before. Can't do it all the time but have done it enough to know that it can be done. The dream shifting can be just a regular dream where you shift but not intentionally or it can be a lucid dream where you shift intentionally.

I have flown, walked through things, been killed, and yes shifted in my lucid dreams before. The funnest was flying and shifting. If you want to know what it's like to be a werewolf, try changing while in a lucid dream. Or any of you astral projectors out there...try shifting in the astral plane. I myself have yet to go OOB but definately believe in it because I almost did once but got scared and snapped back into my body.



posted on Dec, 6 2005 @ 02:08 PM
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Mental shape-shifting is the same as the "borrowed genius" excerise IMO. It can be done by anybody, anytime. All you need is a taperecorder, or a listening partner.



posted on Dec, 6 2005 @ 02:33 PM
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Originally posted by MacMerdin
Or any of you astral projectors out there...try shifting in the astral plane. I myself have yet to go OOB but definately believe in it because I almost did once but got scared and snapped back into my body.


I have never done this .... but have always been able to do anything that I want in my mind ... I guess my mind has just never wanted to or had the want to while I was sleeping ... I have slowed the dream down before .... changed many things ... knew what was going to happen ... most likely cause I made it happen ... Who knows .. dreams are yours to keep I think .... I don't think they are suppose to be discussed alot .. PERHAPS .... PERHAPS NOT .... =-)



posted on Dec, 6 2005 @ 02:45 PM
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Originally posted by TheBandit795
Mental shape-shifting is the same as the "borrowed genius" excerise IMO. It can be done by anybody, anytime. All you need is a taperecorder, or a listening partner.



Interesting....never heard of it before. I'll have to look more carefully into it. I just thought of what I forgot to mention before. The mental shifting is like the berzerkers. They would get themselves into a frenzy and actually become bear like....in their thinking and actions...that's what made them terrifying for their enemies to encounter.



posted on Dec, 6 2005 @ 02:54 PM
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Originally posted by MacMerdin

Originally posted by TheBandit795
Mental shape-shifting is the same as the "borrowed genius" excerise IMO. It can be done by anybody, anytime. All you need is a taperecorder, or a listening partner.



Interesting....never heard of it before. I'll have to look more carefully into it. I just thought of what I forgot to mention before. The mental shifting is like the berzerkers. They would get themselves into a frenzy and actually become bear like....in their thinking and actions...that's what made them terrifying for their enemies to encounter.


I have ran across people ... in gangs ... actually the gang was called Dog Pound in a local town ... here in Texas ... And they would actually go around breaking into peoples houses ... Killing all cats that wer found .. and stealing anything else that they happend to want ... ... But the wierd thing was I met a guy that had just got out of the PEN ... and he was telling me how they used to go around acting like that could transform into DOGS ... This may have been because of all of the Psychadelic drugs that they may have been on .. as he told me about some other things that were ..... very very Odd ....



posted on Dec, 6 2005 @ 03:17 PM
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I've seen a "shape-shifter" before. It's an illusion though. This particular "shape-shifter" was in league with Satan and therefore deployed demonic powers to lend him the appearance of "shape-shifting". It is an illusion/delusion nevertheless. The only way to find the fullfillment you are seeking is through the Lord Jesus Christ. Read the Bilbe and take it literally and your life will transform - you will transform. You can be saved and cleansed if you merely accept the Lord Jesus Christ as your Saviour.

Everything is spiritual...whether you believe it or not. You can either accept the Lord Jesus Christ or deny Him like the shape-shifters do. Your entire life depends upon this one decision - either accept the Lord Jesus Christ or else you deny Him. Is it worth the price of your soul to elicit demonic powers? Are you willing to gamble your soul for eternity? Personnally, I would rather believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and be wrong then to deny Him and be wrong.

Be carefull - those that claim that the Lord Jesus Christ is false or "magical" or involved in witchcraft are being deceived by the demons that they elicit. Satan is the Deceiver. He deceived Eve in the Garden of Eden by telling her that she could be like God - but that deception by Satan and Eve's acceptance of it (by eating the fruit) damned human kind to deal with sin ever since.

Don't eat the "fruit" that Satan offers by getting involved in "shape shifting". It is a delusion created by the Deceiver.

The only way to be redeemed from that sin (and deception) is by repenting of your sin and accepting the Lord Jesus Christ as your saviour.

The Lord Jesus Christ is where we begin - you decide with whom you want to end.



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posted on Dec, 6 2005 @ 03:25 PM
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Originally posted by checkers
I've seen a "shape-shifter" before. It's an illusion though. This particular "shape-shifter" was in league with Satan and therefore deployed demonic powers to lend him the appearance of "shape-shifting". It is an illusion/delusion nevertheless. The only way to find the fullfillment you are seeking is through the Lord Jesus Christ. Read the Bilbe and take it literally and your life will transform - you will transform. You can be saved and cleansed if you merely accept the Lord Jesus Christ as your Saviour. Everything is spiritual...whether you believe it or not. You can either accept the Lord Jesus Christ or deny Him...like the shape-shifters do.

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Why would shapeshifting be denying Christ? The 2 are mutually exclusive. Unless you think that "shapeshifting" is somehow connected to witchcraft (which again is not against Christ). I don't want to go into a religeous debate but wasn't Christ in effect a witch (someone who can perform miracles (magick))? Also, Christ taught us that we are also sons of God and can perform miracles. Didn't John (I think) walk on water for a few minutes? Does this make John someone who is in cohoots with the Devil? And furthermore, I do not want this thread to become an "accept the Lord Jesus Christ as your savior" thread.....take that to church or the religeous forum for that type of stuff.



posted on Dec, 6 2005 @ 03:30 PM
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Originally posted by checkers
I've seen a "shape-shifter" before. It's an illusion though. This particular "shape-shifter" was in league with Satan and therefore deployed demonic powers to lend him the appearance of "shape-shifting". It is an illusion/delusion nevertheless. The only way to find the fullfillment you are seeking is through the Lord Jesus Christ. Read the Bilbe and take it literally and your life will transform - you will transform. You can be saved and cleansed if you merely accept the Lord Jesus Christ as your Saviour. Everything is spiritual...whether you believe it or not. You can either accept the Lord Jesus Christ or deny Him like the shape-shifters do. Your entire life depends upon this one decision - either or accept the Lord Jesus Christ or deny Him. Just decide what kind of price you want to pay.

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I was going to say .... That everyone tries to bring god into every conversation and he is not in everything ... But then I got a spirit check .. and realized he is IN EVERYTHING that is in him .... But ... this is a thread that I never thought that I would be discussing God ... because it has gone ... to basically talking about dreams .... Although Dreams are used many times in the bible ... Ugh .. I give up I love Jesus Christ with all my heart he is my Lord and THE SAVER of my life i could not get to heaven if he would not have gone before me and created the way .... I sin everyday and only by the grace of God .... is the reason I am here ... typing today ..



posted on Dec, 6 2005 @ 05:40 PM
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Anyone who believes in shape shifting should read up on the Navajo Skin Walkers. There's been a thread here on ATS about them. Legend has it that whatever you do, never speak their name.



posted on Dec, 7 2005 @ 02:49 AM
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Well MacMerdin, because of certain things and connections (more specific the werewolf connection) you explained to me, you tickled my interest. So I have an endless list of questions... So if you'd be so kind as to explain them... I will concentrate most of my questions around "Transforming" / shape-shifting into animals. And please excuse me if I don't use the correct terms.

(I'm also surprised that this topic took a religious turn...)

1. What are the different ways of shape shifting? You mentioned shape shifting in dreams, physical shifting, etc. What are the different "difficulty levels" for each type?

2. Are you thus saying that it is possible for a human (specifically those who mastered the art) to physically transform into an animal? Looking at plain science, we know that it's next to impossible because every fibre and cell of a human will have to be able to change. Human cells are not that "advanced". How can this thus be?

3. What would the typical animals be a person can "transform" into (physically or mentally). Is a person limited to one animal?

4. Why does it seem that most of these (shape shifting) humans/animals are predators? Bears, lions, wolves, etc. Doesn't this put shape shifting in a negative light, because a "transformed" person (i.e. animal) can be a danger to other people?

5. What would the general purpose of this "gift" be? Warfare? Self-defence?

6. Is this "gift" of being a "shape shifter" (were) something that can be learned by anyone or is it limited to some people.

7. What would the characteristics of a “were” (shape shifter) be, i.e. how would you know you are one?

Hmmm... I think that will do for now. But there's lots more where that came from...



posted on Dec, 7 2005 @ 08:44 AM
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Originally posted by Gemwolf
Well MacMerdin, because of certain things and connections (more specific the werewolf connection) you explained to me, you tickled my interest. So I have an endless list of questions... So if you'd be so kind as to explain them... I will concentrate most of my questions around "Transforming" / shape-shifting into animals. And please excuse me if I don't use the correct terms.


I'll try and answer all that I can.


(I'm also surprised that this topic took a religious turn...)


Me too...


1. What are the different ways of shape shifting? You mentioned shape shifting in dreams, physical shifting, etc. What are the different "difficulty levels" for each type?


I'll list them in what order of difficulty I think.

Mental shifts...probably the easiest...we are animals and can become in tune with other animals...think about playing with your dog....sometimes don't you just kinda start thinking and acting like him? I do at least.

Dream shifts....depending on your ability to have lucid dreams, this could be easy or hard.

Astral shifts....same as above only with the ability to astral project.

Projection shifts....this is when the person manipulates the energy around themselves to "appear" as animal or half animal/half human (werewolf). Depending on how skilled a person is with energy manipulation, could be difficult or easy.

Physical shifts....probably the hardest...if not impossible.


2. Are you thus saying that it is possible for a human (specifically those who mastered the art) to physically transform into an animal? Looking at plain science, we know that it's next to impossible because every fibre and cell of a human will have to be able to change. Human cells are not that "advanced". How can this thus be?


I agree with you...pretty much impossible...although I'm not ruling it out entirely...sometimes fact is stranger than fiction.


3. What would the typical animals be a person can "transform" into (physically or mentally). Is a person limited to one animal?


No limits....you could be a duck if you want....usually though a person has an affinity towards a certain animal....like a totem animal in American Indian traditions.


4. Why does it seem that most of these (shape shifting) humans/animals are predators? Bears, lions, wolves, etc. Doesn't this put shape shifting in a negative light, because a "transformed" person (i.e. animal) can be a danger to other people?


I think it's because we are predators at heart also. Supposedly a physical shifter still retains their consiousness while shifted....not like in the Hollywood stories. So, they would only be a danger if they wanted to be a danger....thank goodness it is basically impossible. I could see a lot of people using this "gift" in a negative way.


5. What would the general purpose of this "gift" be? Warfare? Self-defence?


I would say all of the above...plus add for fun.


6. Is this "gift" of being a "shape shifter" (were) something that can be learned by anyone or is it limited to some people.


This in my mind is debateable. Some believe you have to be born with it...others believe it can be taught. Also, I don't think a bite from a shifter will help.


7. What would the characteristics of a “were” (shape shifter) be, i.e. how would you know you are one?


I haven't read the book for a long time....but I do remember her mentioning that most shifters have very light eyes, a lot are gay....but as in everything else in nature, there are as many diversities as you can imagine.


Hmmm... I think that will do for now. But there's lots more where that came from...



I hope I answered correctly...I am not the end all scholar in this area. I will try to answer anymore questions you have.



posted on Dec, 7 2005 @ 02:12 PM
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Sounds to me like you guys need to read up on the Indigo Children ...



posted on Dec, 7 2005 @ 02:17 PM
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How so? Do you mean that they can shift?



posted on Dec, 7 2005 @ 02:22 PM
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nah .. They can't shift .. but they have many how should i say .... EXTRAORDINARY TRAITS ... that others ... do not .. or supposedly ... I am not one .. for sure ... Anyways ... only wierd thing I have ever even considered wierd that is in me is my dreams ... anyways .. different subject ... here is a link to Indigo Children



posted on Dec, 7 2005 @ 02:26 PM
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I hope that, that helps some of you with your journeys for the truth. Much Good Luck



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